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Could somebody confirm that Z9D passthrough Atmos from built-in Vudu app over HDMI ARC to AVR which is Atmos capable and HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2.2?
Yes it works on my Z9D/Yamaha 3050 combo.

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Is it that Sony paid for the Dolby Vision chip and put it in the TV and decided not to label the Z9D as "Ultra HD Premium" this seems really strange to me. The only way the Z9D will get Dolby Vision is if the hardware is inside to begin with. Sony must have some inside news about Dolby Vision blowing up or they would have not included this in the 2017 line. Don't get me wrong i would love to see Dolby Vision added to the Z9D and also Dynamic metadata for HDR-10 but Dolby needs a chip and hopefully Dynamic metadata only requires a firmware update not an 2.1 HDMI Spec. I am also curious if the Z9D will get "Hybrid Log Gamma as well.
Dolby Vision does not require a "chip", it requires a chipset (or more accurately a SoC) that is "capable" of processing the DV algorithm. MediaTek stated late 2015 that they would be delivering SoCs capable of DV in roughly the mid 2016 timeframe. Guess who makes the X1 Extreme processor in the Z9D (and now the 2017 line)...MediaTek. Look at the release date for the Z9D...late summer/early fall which would coincide with MediaTek's statement of DV SoC availability. Add to that, Android TV7 is supposed to have native DV support and it all adds up.

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Link?

The article I saw said it is backwards compatible and up to the manufacturers to implement firmware update.
The HDMI 2.0a can be firmware upgraded to 2.0b. The 2.1 will require new hardware and probably new cables since the speed is much higher. The article below mentions that some manufacturers will do it with a firmware update and others will have to change hardware. I believe current hardware will not work with a full 2.1 speed.

http://www.cepro.com/article/new_hdm...hdr_4k120hz/av

I was so happy without HDR...

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The HDMI 2.0a can be firmware upgraded to 2.0b. The 2.1 will require new hardware and probably new cables since the speed is much higher. The article below mentions that some manufacturers will do it with a firmware update and others will have to change hardware. I believe current hardware will not work with a full 2.1 speed.

http://www.cepro.com/article/new_hdm...hdr_4k120hz/av
Yes, probably. Have you seen anything specific to only the dynamic hdr10? I was at work so only glanced at it, but it said specific portions of the new spec (i.e. dynamic hdr10) can still be firmware updated to work with HDMI 2.0a/b etc.
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Yes, probably. Have you seen anything specific to only the dynamic hdr10? I was at work so only glanced at it, but it said specific portions of the new spec (i.e. dynamic hdr10) can still be firmware updated to work with HDMI 2.0a/b etc.
I have not, sorry. The whole picture is quite complicate regarding who will produce media with what technology to what setup. This can get worse when the networks start using their version of HDR and the existent TV tuners are not compatible.

I was so happy without HDR...
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Yes it works on my Z9D/Yamaha 3050 combo.
Thanks for comfirmation. Z9D +RX-A2060 will probably work fine
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Nope, the Z is still the king of the hill, mate.

He was very specific, he repeated several times the Z was Sony's flagship for this year.

Which doesn't make sense compared against Sony's PR post, which is far more signed off on than one rep's comments.

They are still close enough you could probably argue it either way on merit, but it's gonna be rough. But yeah, at this point I weigh the words written by the marketing department (signed off by various bigwigs) more than the on the floor rep trying their best to follow the dos and don'ts outlined for them by the marketing team days before the reveal.

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Which doesn't make sense compared against Sony's PR post, which is far more signed off on than one rep's comments.

They are still close enough you could probably argue it either way on merit, but it's gonna be rough. But yeah, at this point I weigh the words written by the marketing department (signed off by various bigwigs) more than the on the floor rep trying their best to follow the dos and don'ts outlined for them by the marketing team days before the reveal.


It makes perfect sense. You are reading a news article, not a Sony marketing department statement.

Find some YouTube clips from last night's Sony presentation at CES, you will see the president of Sony confirm that the Z remains their flagship.

Look at their website too, the Z is above the OLED.


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It makes perfect sense. You are reading a news article, not a Sony marketing department statement.

Find some YouTube clips from last night's Sony presentation at CES, you will see the president of Sony confirm that the Z remains their flagship.

Look at their website too, the Z is above the OLED.

Sony's PR blog is a news article now? I thought a company's PR site is the voice of their marketing department... or is sony.com a third party now?

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Thanks for comfirmation. Z9D +RX-A2060 will probably work fine
That being said, it is still ARC and as such it is "finicky" to say the least. When I first got the Z9D one of the first things I played was the ATMOS demos on VUDU to see if ATMOS would play via ARC and it worked first time right out of the box. I have however, had times when it did not work without shutting everything down and starting back up...again, the nature of the ARC "beast".

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How often did you have this situations?
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Is there any info when Dolby Vision support will be landed to Z9D?
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How often did you have this situations?
ARC in general is messy, plain and simple. Couldn't really tell you a "success rate" other than it "usually" works fine.

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Sony's PR blog is a news article now? I thought a company's PR site is the voice of their marketing department... or is sony.com a third party now?

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... having a 75Z delivered tomorrow .... While all this DV News is nice and is added Frosting on the Cake" so to say ... I'm just not jumping up and down and doing cartwheels. I've been looking over the number of current and future release announcements for UHD (with/without HDR) content and I gotta say I'm not impressed ! I purchased this display for it's UHD Upscaler to watch current tv broadcasting of live sports and other programming. As far as DV and Android OS upgrading being completed ... I'll believe it when I see it in operation on these current displays. Maybe by that time I may be a little bit more "impressed" by this display, it's technology, and it's upgradability feature. Until then, good ole upscaled UHD Programing, HD BluRay, and 3D content is good by me !


As of this edition I still have not seen any information confirming these Z Models getting DV via firmware update. Please enlighten me if there is supporting documentation for DV Upgrading. TIA !
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It appears the Z9 may be the last 3D display from a mainstream vendor (I'm excluding HiSense).

Have any of you compared 3D on the Z9 to the 940D and passive 3D on LG or Sony 4k TVs?
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Playing 3D movies with the PS4 Pro on my (Passive)LG 65LA9700,(Active)Sony 75Z9D and my (Active)Vizio XVT3D554SV.

The active shutter 3D of the Vizio was blown away by the passive 3D of the LG which had me a bit worried with the Z9D being active but after testing 3D out...I must say it looks just as good as the LG(which had great 3D IMO )
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I have a 65x900a with passive 3D that when rated just for 3D PQ looks fantastic. I recently demoed a 65e6 at home and 3D looks even better on that (just because of general PQ improvement).

The Z9D 3D PQ is just as good if not better than the 900A and E6, and being a 75" display versus 65" display provides a major improvement to 3D immersion at my viewing distance of ~9'.

I still wish the Z was passive though. Passive glasses are much more comfortable to wear through one or two movies and don't break down/fail.
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I'm tempted to exchange my OLED65E6P for a XBR75Z9d. I just can't justify the prices of the Z9s.

Passive 3D is an important feature to me and looks awesome on both my Sony KDL-65S990a and the LG OLED. However, I am hearing great things about the active 3D on the Z9 as well as newer projectors.
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I wonder if there will be any price reductions the ZD9?
I hope so, it needs to be substantial IMO.

These MSRPs would make more sense to me (and get my $$$):

65Z9D - $3999
75Z9D - $5999
100Z9D - $24,999

Without a huge price break on the 75Z9d before the Superbowl I will be sticking with the LG 65E6P and adding a ~120" motorized screen and JVC DILA projector.
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Since I got mine back in August I have had the worry about the future of Dolby Vision and if they would eclipse it with something at CES but the news just keeps getting better!

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I'm tempted to exchange my OLED65E6P for a XBR75Z9d. I just can't justify the prices of the Z9s.

Passive 3D is an important feature to me and looks awesome on both my Sony KDL-65S990a and the LG OLED. However, I am hearing great things about the active 3D on the Z9 as well as newer projectors.

I hope so, it needs to be substantial IMO.

These MSRPs would make more sense to me (and get my $$$):

65Z9D - $3999
75Z9D - $5999
100Z9D - $24,999

Without a huge price break on the 75Z9d before the Superbowl I will be sticking with the LG 65E6P and adding a ~120" motorized screen and JVC DILA projector.
I honestly absolutely love my Z9D. A day does not pass when I am not impressed by its performance. That said, if I had to pick a fault with it, it would be the fact that the 3D performance is significantly underwhelming.

Fortunately I don't really watch anything in 3D anymore, even though I have a fair amount of movies but I thought I would warn you. Lots of flickering (likely due to the panel brightness) and crosstalk.
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Can someone post the link that the Z9D is getting Dolby Vision please. I really love my Z9D and have about 10 days to decide if i should keep this set or return it and wait for the XBR-A1E to drop. I said a few months ago if Sony came out with a OLED with the X1 Extreme processor it would be the best performing TV on the market and now it is confirmed. I never believe speculation in the electronics market and want solid proof so i can make my decision. On the other hand i do love this TV and would be fine keeping it.
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Can someone post the link that the Z9D is getting Dolby Vision please. I really love my Z9D and have about 10 days to decide if i should keep this set or return it and wait for the XBR-A1E to drop. I said a few months ago if Sony came out with a OLED with the X1 Extreme processor it would be the best performing TV on the market and now it is confirmed. I never believe speculation in the electronics market and want solid proof so i can make my decision. On the other hand i do love this TV and would be fine keeping it.
There is information peppered through this thread with screenshots from Sony's press event where they had slides but here is an article.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1398...creen-vibrates

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Dolby Vision does not require a "chip", it requires a chipset (or more accurately a SoC) that is "capable" of processing the DV algorithm. MediaTek stated late 2015 that they would be delivering SoCs capable of DV in roughly the mid 2016 timeframe. Guess who makes the X1 Extreme processor in the Z9D (and now the 2017 line)...MediaTek. Look at the release date for the Z9D...late summer/early fall which would coincide with MediaTek's statement of DV SoC availability. Add to that, Android TV7 is supposed to have native DV support and it all adds up.
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I am also curious if the Z9D will get "Hybrid Log Gamma as well.
The rep mentioned it would get HLG too in the interview after the keynote in the livestream. You can watch a replay here:
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There is information peppered through this thread with screenshots from Sony's press event where they had slides but here is an article.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1398...creen-vibrates
Only the sets with the Xtreme X1 processor will be upgraded do Dolby Vision. I don't think the existing 94D is included.

I was so happy without HDR...
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Only the sets with the Xtreme X1 processor will be upgraded do Dolby Vision. I don't think the existing 94D is included.
Yeah, the author likely misinterpreted the slide during the conference where they said the X94/93E would get it.
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Frankly not surprised and I was actually banking on it when i decided to spend the extra on the Z over the 940D. I just looked at the timing of the release and the chlpset manufacturer and just kept my fingers crossed that DV would come. Guess I lucked out!

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The rep mentioned it would get HLG too in the interview after the keynote in the livestream. You can watch a replay here:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/98637155


Thank you for the link. After viewing the content my take is that the Z Series is still the top of the line display that will support DV and HLG. I did not pick up any "How" or "When" but it was there. Gotta admit the OLED looked good ... vibrating screen sound ... Hmmmmm ? ... Time will tell on that one !


With these announcements ... is that why there has been no real price cuts with this display series ?
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Yeah, the author likely misinterpreted the slide during the conference where they said the X94/93E would get it.

94e/93e both have the x1 extreme and are dolby vision sets.
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When was the Z9 released, Sept 2016? What are the odds of See a Z9E or Z10 in the fall? The Z9's release was a bit of a surprise at the time.
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I honestly absolutely love my Z9D. A day does not pass when I am not impressed by its performance. That said, if I had to pick a fault with it, it would be the fact that the 3D performance is significantly underwhelming.

Fortunately I don't really watch anything in 3D anymore, even though I have a fair amount of movies but I thought I would warn you. Lots of flickering (likely due to the panel brightness) and crosstalk.
I appreciate your truly, openly honest opinion!

I'm still a Sony fan (we have 4 Sony LCD panels, 1 Samsung, and 1 TCL), but the LG E6 is a keeper for me! 👍

Considering:

¹ Studios are already mastering w/Dolby Vision in the cinema
² Impressive, growing list of studios committed to release DV UHD Blu-rays
³ Major streaming providers supporting and mastering in DV (Netflix, Amazon, and Vudu) with existing good to great looking content already available
⁴ all major TV manufacturers but Samsung and Panasonic (Europe only?) are supporting DV… for now

I believe Dolby Vision will end up becoming the HDR "standard", perhaps rendering all the current UHD BRs obsolete. From now on, I'm buying 3D versions when it makes sense and waiting for DV UHD BRs (I just have Deadpool, Lucy, and Underworld in UHD BR so far)! 🙈

Just as with HD-DVD vs Blu-ray Sony's support may be the tipping point once again!
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94e/93e both have the x1 extreme and are dolby vision sets.
Indeed, I was clarifying because the article I posted, the author misinterpreted the presentation and was saying the 94D would get it.

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I appreciate your truly, openly honest opinion!

I'm still a Sony fan (we have 4 Sony LCD panels, 1 Samsung, and 1 TCL), but the LG E6 is a keeper for me! 👍

Considering:

¹ Studios are already mastering w/Dolby Vision in the cinema
² Impressive, growing list of studios committed to release DV UHD Blu-rays
³ Major streaming providers supporting and mastering in DV (Netflix, Amazon, and Vudu) with existing good to great looking content already available
⁴ all major TV manufacturers but Samsung and Panasonic (Europe only?) are supporting DV… for now

I believe Dolby Vision will end up becoming the HDR "standard", perhaps rendering all the current UHD BRs obsolete. From now on, I'm buying 3D versions when it makes sense and waiting for DV UHD BRs (I just have Deadpool, Lucy, and Underworld in UHD BR so far)! 🙈

Just as with HD-DVD vs Blu-ray Sony's support may be the tipping point once again!
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I was relieved to see DV was coming to the Z9D and it is a nice bonus since I purchased it not expecting it. That said, I foresee HDR 10 being included with many presentations along DV since it is far more prevalent and widely supported at the moment. (Whether it be currently available media and the two main gaming platforms.)

It will be interesting to see if PC leans more towards DV though. Hoping it supports both formats but glad I will have the option of DV to use with my HTPC/Gaming build.
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I was relieved to see DV was coming to the Z9D and it is a nice bonus since I purchased it not expecting it. That said, I foresee HDR 10 being included with many presentations along DV since it is far more prevalent and widely supported at the moment. (Whether it be currently available media and the two main gaming platforms.
HDR10 is a requirement for UHD Blu-ray. Dolby's promise is to deliver Dolby Vision as an extension layer with HDR10 backwards compatibility, similarly to Atmos tracks.

I believe the reason we don't see this with streaming providers is to preserve bandwidth. So they store both a HDR10 and DV stream (I believe only Vudu is DV only for now, hopefully they support HDR10 eventually as well for early adopters).
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