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Anyone been playing hdr games like forza 3 or ps4 pro??


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Played Forza Horizon 3 for a while and a bit of Gears of War 4 in HDR but opted to play those two on my HTPC for 4K.

That said I have played a fair bit of FF XV, Uncharted 4, Last of Us, and The Last Guardian in HDR.
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Good news for Z9 owners... According to a marketing sheet for the A1E, the Z9 will definitely be getting DV via an update and it's still the flagship set with the best overall picture.

I'll copy and paste a few FAQ's on the sheet

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Is the picture quality of A1 series better than Z9D?
For total balance of picture quality, the flagship Z9D is better than A1E. However, in some aspects--like absolute black level and viewing angle--the A1E has better potential due to the OLED's self-illuminating pixels.

Does the A1E support Dolby Vision?
4K HDR TVs with 4K HDR Processor X1 Extreme supports Dolby Vision, Hybrid Log Gamma, and HDR 10. Other 4K HDR TVs support Hybrid Log Gamma and HDR 10. The newly announced X94E, X93E and A1, as well as our flagship Z9D, will support Dolby Vision via network update.
Thanks for the additional confirmation of DV for the Z9D. I so excited about this. The lack of DV gave me pause before I purchased this set, but decided to buy anyway given how incredible the picture is. Now hearing that DV is coming, really makes me glad I purchased the set.
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I've only been playing NBA2k17 and Uncharted 4 with HDR. I popped in The Last of Us remastered just to check it out.


How is uncharted??


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Played Forza Horizon 3 for a while and a bit of Gears of War 4 in HDR but opted to play those two on my HTPC for 4K.



That said I have played a fair bit of FF XV, Uncharted 4, Last of Us, and The Last Guardian in HDR.


How has the hdr been in games? I saw forza on a 940d and it was amazing

How is input lag? Does the game mode work with hdr?


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Oof! Is it really that bad? I must be getting old(!) as I have been gaming on it for a few months now with the local dimming on high and it has been tolerable for me.



I certainly feel the input lag but it is playable but I guess the superb image quality is making me deal with it.



This weekend I will game some with it on Low and test the difference.



Wonder if there is any difference in input lag depending on the signal it is receiving whether it be a native 4K signal vs. an upscaled one handled either by the TV or a PS4 or Xbox One S upscaling.



Put a bunch of time on the TV over the holiday primarily gaming on my HTPC and it was feeding a native 4K signal.


So what is "auto" local dim vs setting to low etc?

I think my current sharp elite is about 65 and I am.used to that


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hi, just got my z9d unit today
I found out the ethernet speed was only 100mbps.. omg....
the tv cannot stream the 4k HDR video smoothly from my SMB server
not even some 4k blu-ray video...

Maybe a ac wifi be the solution?
can anyone of you try out the maximum speed of ac wifi of the z9d ?
as i am having an 802.11n router only

thanks a lot!!

or is there any other solution to let the z9d support 1gbps ethernet
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How has the hdr been in games? I saw forza on a 940d and it was amazing

How is input lag? Does the game mode work with hdr?


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The HDR presentation has been excellent across all of the games I have tried. Game mode does work in HDR mode.

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So what is "auto" local dim vs setting to low etc?

I think my current sharp elite is about 65 and I am.used to that


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I have local dimming set to low.
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Does anyone know if there are differing software/hardware DV solutions? The Z9's were built earlier and the 94E's later that might have a software vs a newer hardware solution. Kind of problamatic that the new Sony 4k Bluray player doesn't support DV. Will have to keep my ears open a little longer before committing to a Z9.

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Does anyone know if there are differing software/hardware DV solutions? The Z9's were built earlier and the 94E's later that might have a software vs a newer hardware solution. Kind of problamatic that the new Sony 4k Bluray player doesn't support DV. Will have to keep my ears open a little longer before committing to a Z9.
Dave as far as my understanding there is no software solution. The Z9 is likely able to be updated due to the Mediatek chip it has. There should be no difference in the functionality of DV between the Z9 and 940e other than the capability of the sets. I would expect the Z9 to possibly look a bit better cause of its greater brightness level.
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Does anyone know if there are differing software/hardware DV solutions? The Z9's were built earlier and the 94E's later that might have a software vs a newer hardware solution. Kind of problamatic that the new Sony 4k Bluray player doesn't support DV. Will have to keep my ears open a little longer before committing to a Z9.
I have been hearing that the required hardware is built into the X1 Extreme processor which is the same processor going in the 94E and A1E so there will be no difference.

The Z is getting DV with the Android 7 update which is what the other displays will ship with.
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I have been hearing that the required hardware is built into the X1 Extreme processor which is the same processor going in the 94E and A1E so there will be no difference.



The Z is getting DV with the Android 7 update which is what the other displays will ship with.


The A1E, 94 and 93E will not ship with DV. They will receive an update for DV same as the Z9



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The A1E, 94 and 93E will not ship with DV. They will receive an update for DV same as the Z9



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Ah OK, thanks for the clarification. Nonetheless, my main point is that the hardware and software handling DV would be the same between the models.
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I have been hearing that the required hardware is built into the X1 Extreme processor which is the same processor going in the 94E and A1E so there will be no difference.

The Z is getting DV with the Android 7 update which is what the other displays will ship with.
OK and sorry to press just a little further. This is not just a streaming solution for Sony Apps but a true blue DV disc from an DV Oppo-203 should be able also to play correctly on the Z9 over HDMI correct? If you can find other evidence please let us know. I have been burned before as to "supported", "enabled", "pass thru", enhanced, etc. And thanks again for anything you may find as I am close to pulling the trigger on the Z9 or 940E.

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Ah OK, thanks for the clarification. Nonetheless, my main point is that the hardware and software handling DV would be the same between the models.


I agree. The fact that they all have the same x1 extreme processor and will all receive Dolby vision via an update seems to further point to that conclusion


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OK and sorry to press just a little further. This is not just a streaming solution for Sony Apps but a true blue DV disc from an DV Oppo-203 should be able also to play correctly on the Z9 over HDMI correct? If you can find other evidence please let us know. I have been burned before as to "supported", "enabled", "pass thru", enhanced, etc. And thanks again for anything you may find as I am close to pulling the trigger on the Z9 or 940E.
I do not see why not since Dolby Vision metadata is buried in the video signal and does not require a higher version of HDMI than what is included in the Z, 940E, and A1E.

Can't confirm with 100% certainty but it is extremely likely it will be able to accept DV content from the Oppo.
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I do not see why not since Dolby Vision metadata is buried in the video signal and does not require a higher version of HDMI than what is included in the Z, 940E, and A1E.

Can't confirm with 100% certainty but it is extremely likely it will be able to accept DV content from the Oppo.
You can be certain of it based on Sony's official pronouncements. The Z9D's Mediatek SoC will receive a firmware update enabling it to receive and properly decode a DV-encoded signal from any source. Unless there are unanticipated delays, I expect it will come before the middle of this year, by which time I hope to have my XBR-65Z9D in hand to pair with my Oppo BDP-203, which is arriving next week.
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You can be certain of it based on Sony's official pronouncements. The Z9D's Mediatek SoC will receive a firmware update enabling it to receive and properly decode a DV-encoded signal from any source. Unless there are unanticipated delays, I expect it will come before the middle of this year, by which time I hope to have my XBR-65Z9D in hand to pair with my Oppo BDP-203, which is arriving next week.
I am highly hopeful and extremely confident but you and myself should not guarantee it 100% until we see it but believe me, I cannot wait. Simply just didn't want to say it was a sure thing until I have it in my system.

Don't want to promise something for a company I am not a part of nor have the insider information, to a prospective buyer, is all. I don't see any reason that DV would be limited to the TV apps, it is just that neither of us can say with 100% certainty it is coming to the two HDMI inputs, even though it is exceptionally likely.

(I write this as I am watching Goodfellas on my 203 and loving this combo, by the way.)
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I am highly hopeful and extremely confident but you and myself should not guarantee it 100% until we see it but believe me, I cannot wait. Simply just didn't want to say it was a sure thing until I have it in my system.



Don't want to promise something for a company I am not a part of nor have the insider information, to a prospective buyer, is all. I don't see any reason that DV would be limited to the TV apps, it is just that neither of us can say with 100% certainty it is coming to the two HDMI inputs, even though it is exceptionally likely.



(I write this as I am watching Goodfellas on my 203 and loving this combo, by the way.)

Wow I never thought of this - was literally going to get one from CP (75")

What if it's only apps and not hdmi. That would suck. Also Sony has no DV on its UHD player - maybe they are not bothering with hdmi support




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I'm planning to buy a ZD9 soon... But the only thing that makes me anxious is the high input lag as a competitive gamer that plays Battlefield 1 and other shooters... I prefer to have a television with 3D, which makes the A1E and X94E a no-go.

My current television is the Sony 55X85C from 2015. It sucks at HDR (in my opinion), so I can't enjoy Uncharted 4 and other games like I want to with my PS4 Pro. That's the reason why I'm considering the ZD9 for 'real HDR' instead of the downsized experience that I get on my current panel.

What is your guys advice? Do you think the input lag of the ZD9 will go down with future firmware updates or shouldn't I hope for that? The current measured 42 ms input lag, is this after the november-update and with local dimming on? Thanks in advance for your answers!
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I'm extremely precious about input lag, and coming from a Samsung HU9000, I used to about 20ms.

I have e 940D, however I think the performance might be similar, if not better on the Z9D.

For me, I have to run game mode and turn off local dimming. This made enough of a difference for me not to notice the increased lag.

When running game mode and left local dimming on, I did still notice it. Local dimming off made a solid difference.
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Is there separate forum for 75 inch Z series model? I tried searching but could not see one, so I'm assuming this forum represents both the 65 and 75 inch.

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I am highly hopeful and extremely confident but you and myself should not guarantee it 100% until we see it but believe me, I cannot wait. Simply just didn't want to say it was a sure thing until I have it in my system.

Don't want to promise something for a company I am not a part of nor have the insider information, to a prospective buyer, is all. I don't see any reason that DV would be limited to the TV apps, it is just that neither of us can say with 100% certainty it is coming to the two HDMI inputs, even though it is exceptionally likely.

(I write this as I am watching Goodfellas on my 203 and loving this combo, by the way.)
I never said anything about which or how many of the Z9D's HDMI inputs would be spec'ed for DV, only that I am confident that the promised FW update will enable it to display a DV-encoded external source. (And don't forget the addition of dynamic HDR10, which should be coming soon to rival DV's performance.)

Now, if you want idle speculation, let's guess as to whether this set will be upgradable to HDMI 2.1. Since the specs haven't even been released yet this is pure conjecture, but I would opine that it is at least feasible.

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Is there separate forum for 75 inch Z series model? I tried searching but could not see one, so I'm assuming this forum represents both the 65 and 75 inch.
Other than the size I don't think so? The specs are pretty much the same according to Sony's website. Someone correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm thinking to upgrading to a 65 or 75 ZD9 from a 930C, that one is goin to the bedroom.
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There's a difference between the Panel Native Bit Rate versus Bit Rate Processing.

Here's an excellent article that is pretty well up to date in defining differences and impact.

http://4k.com/everything-you-need-to...color-16970-2/
I think you're missing his point, Dolby Vision is suppose to be up to a 12 bit color depth, I was told from a magnolia design center rep that our panels are 12 bit, but I don't know if I should believe him or not ...Sony throws around 14 bit super mapping on their tech specs so I don't know if our panels are 14 bit or how that affects Dolby Vision? I assume our panels are 10 bit? ...I read your link, it was informative but didn't really clear up the question ...is Dolby lowering the standard to 10 bit for their Dolby Vision on TV's just like they lowere their standards for nits for OLED TV'S? Reading info on Dolby Vision it says "UP TO" 12 bit color depth seems to imply it could also do less, but yeah I'm still confused on this subject in those senses.
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Played Forza Horizon 3 for a while and a bit of Gears of War 4 in HDR but opted to play those two on my HTPC for 4K.

That said I have played a fair bit of FF XV, Uncharted 4, Last of Us, and The Last Guardian in HDR.
outisde of AA (which you can do without 4k), I just don't get 4k in games due to the motion resolution issue. At 60FPS I doubt an LCD - even with Black frame insertion, gets 1080 lines of resolution.

So I agree on screen grabs it looks great - but 720p rock solid with HDR likely looks better.

I had a chance to see Forza side by side - the 900p HDR crushed the 4k 60
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outisde of AA (which you can do without 4k), I just don't get 4k in games due to the motion resolution issue. At 60FPS I doubt an LCD - even with Black frame insertion, gets 1080 lines of resolution.

So I agree on screen grabs it looks great - but 720p rock solid with HDR likely looks better.

I had a chance to see Forza side by side - the 900p HDR crushed the 4k 60
From extensive first hand experience I honestly couldn't disagree more. The HDR is very nice in the game but there's simply no comparison between the substantial boost in detail, all the extra rendering features, and doubled framerate on PC running at the TV's native resolution.

Believe me, I wish the HDR was so amazing that I would be alright with the substantial visual drop and the framerate cut in half, especially since thr Z is so great in that area.
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Dolby Vision on Sony Z9D
Sony surprised everyone at CES 2017. Besides launching an OLED TV it also partnered with Dolby to bring Dolby Vision to several TVs.

And Sony has yet another surprise up its sleeve. Last year’s Z9D (US) and ZD9 (Europe) will get Dolby Vision through a firmware update later this year.

To be clear, Dolby Vision requires specific hardware - a hardware composer - so it has been built in all along without anyone noticing. We asked Sony how it had kept such a significant feature a secret and the Sony executive just gave us a satisfied grin. Dolby did the same.

Sony could not confirm the exact timing for the update but is hoping to have something ready by the middle of 2017.
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Maybe the rep is mistaken about the Z vs. OLED? The Sony press release refers to it as "The new flagship XBR-A1E BRAVIA OLED": https://blog.sony.com/press/sony-ele...vels-contrast/

This makes me wonder why the Z series was introduced as a surprise to everyone mid 2016. IF Sony waited to introduce the Z series and the A1E OLED at the same time, what would be everyone's response? I'll be a bit confused at 1st. Then I'll make my decision after doing major research on both models.

It seems to me Sony wanted to put the Z series into the market before their commitment to OLED.

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From extensive first hand experience I honestly couldn't disagree more. The HDR is very nice in the game but there's simply no comparison between the substantial boost in detail, all the extra rendering features, and doubled framerate on PC running at the TV's native resolution.



Believe me, I wish the HDR was so amazing that I would be alright with the substantial visual drop and the framerate cut in half, especially since thr Z is so great in that area.


Thsts true - the win10 textures and detail are amazing.
I play it at 4k with DSR TO 1080p on my 1080. But th color in hdr and those sunset


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