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Don't want to promise something for a company I am not a part of nor have the insider information, to a prospective buyer, is all. I don't see any reason that DV would be limited to the TV apps, it is just that neither of us can say with 100% certainty it is coming to the two HDMI inputs, even though it is exceptionally likely.
It is certainly true that we can't be completely sure until it's specifically stated by Sony, but I simply can't imagine the possibility of DV for built in apps and not the HDMI input. If the hardware is there and is indeed upgradable to DV, then it will be done for the apps and the inputs. Can you imagine the flak that Sony would get from everywhere if DV was only for the built in apps. It's simply incomprehensible. Given that Dobly would love to see 4K HDR blu-rays with DV sell like crazy, I can't even imagine Dobly licensing DV for built in apps only.

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A couple pages back i think I saw a mention that the Ethernet port is only 100mbps. I have 1gbps service at home and my tv is wired. Most of my other gb devices run 500+.

Is there an Android TV app that would let me speed test my z9? The android speed net app is not avail for AndTV. I'm wondering if my z9 is better over wifi.


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A couple pages back i think I saw a mention that the Ethernet port is only 100mbps. I have 1gbps service at home and my tv is wired. Most of my other gb devices run 500+.

Is there an Android TV app that would let me speed test my z9? The android speed net app is not avail for AndTV. I'm wondering if my z9 is better over wifi.


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Why do you need more than 100? Its not a server.

Even a blue ray peaks at 50mbit and that is h264.

You won't be ripping UHD soon (which peak at 100)

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It is certainly true that we can't be completely sure until it's specifically stated by Sony, but I simply can't imagine the possibility of DV for built in apps and not the HDMI input. If the hardware is there and is indeed upgradable to DV, then it will be done for the apps and the inputs. Can you imagine the flak that Sony would get from everywhere if DV was only for the built in apps. It's simply incomprehensible. Given that Dobly would love to see 4K HDR blu-rays with DV sell like crazy, I can't even imagine Dobly licensing DV for built in apps only.
Yup, I highly doubt it wouldn't support DV over HDMI since there is no technical reason it couldn't and it has the correct HDMI version but none of us can say with 100% certainty.

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A couple pages back i think I saw a mention that the Ethernet port is only 100mbps. I have 1gbps service at home and my tv is wired. Most of my other gb devices run 500+.

Is there an Android TV app that would let me speed test my z9? The android speed net app is not avail for AndTV. I'm wondering if my z9 is better over wifi.


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I have looked for apps in the past and the closest I could get to finding an app that measures speed is the Ultraflix app and that is capping out at 85mbps while I have a connection multiple times faster.

Reminds me of my Apple TV 4th gen where I run wireless on that since it is a 100mbps adapter as well. Would do the same with the TV but unfortunately I need it wired due to it being required for me to use DirecTV RVU.
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Why do you need more than 100? Its not a server.

Even a blue ray peaks at 50mbit and that is h264.

You won't be ripping UHD soon (which peak at 100)

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If you are streaming 4K uncompressed MKV files with HDR and great sound you might be wanting more than 100mbit.
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A couple pages back i think I saw a mention that the Ethernet port is only 100mbps. I have 1gbps service at home and my tv is wired. Most of my other gb devices run 500+.

Is there an Android TV app that would let me speed test my z9? The android speed net app is not avail for AndTV. I'm wondering if my z9 is better over wifi.


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Does your network router/switch have indicators for speed of the ethernet ports?

What is the status of Z9D port?
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If you are streaming 4K uncompressed MKV files with HDR and great sound you might be wanting more than 100mbit.


From what source? If you are doing that it's h265 and again uhd discs are 100mbit


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Dolby Vision on Sony Z9D
Sony surprised everyone at CES 2017. Besides launching an OLED TV it also partnered with Dolby to bring Dolby Vision to several TVs.

And Sony has yet another surprise up its sleeve. Last year’s Z9D (US) and ZD9 (Europe) will get Dolby Vision through a firmware update later this year.

To be clear, Dolby Vision requires specific hardware - a hardware composer - so it has been built in all along without anyone noticing. We asked Sony how it had kept such a significant feature a secret and the Sony executive just gave us a satisfied grin. Dolby did the same.

Sony could not confirm the exact timing for the update but is hoping to have something ready by the middle of 2017.
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That's quoted from the flatpanelshd.com article.
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Does your network router/switch have indicators for speed of the ethernet ports?

What is the status of Z9D port?


Running from display back to source; My Z9 is plugged into a Netgear Prosafe GS108 in the Living Room. In-wall structured Cat5e between LRm and the network can closet on 2nd floor where it connects with a Netgear Prosafe GS116. This GS116 is fed by the AT&T gateway.

So to answer your question the two status lights on the switches both reflect capable of 1,000 speed. Same on the GS108 line from the Z9. However this doesn't let me test the speed my Z9 is actually getting.

As to why I care, I'm just looking for best quality streaming 4k I can get from the native Netflix and YouTube apps and trying to see if 2.4ghz wifi vs 5ghz wifi vs Ethernet is fastest.


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Does your network router/switch have indicators for speed of the ethernet ports?

What is the status of Z9D port?
Mine does. 1GB LED for Z9D port is not lit up.

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From what source? If you are doing that it's h265 and again uhd discs are 100mbit


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from an original UHD disc converted with a 5.1 compression ratio streaming from an SMB or DLNA server. And since you are doing the conversion you can pick a lot of the codec settings. Since gigabit has been around nearly 2 decades I'm not sure what the point of cheaping out on anything and putting in 100mbit is - to save $1.49 per port?

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So to answer your question the two status lights on the switches both reflect capable of 1,000 speed. Same on the GS108 line from the Z9. However this doesn't let me test the speed my Z9 is actually getting.

As to why I care, I'm just looking for best quality streaming 4k I can get from the native Netflix and YouTube apps and trying to see if 2.4ghz wifi vs 5ghz wifi vs Ethernet is fastest.
If you can minimize activity elsewhere on your network for testing, your router might have an admin interface that shows how much bandwidth is passing through. Otherwise is there a Web browser among the Z9D apps? Fast.com is an HTML5-based bandwidth tester hosted by Netflix. I would probably stick to wired, however. Netflix only requires 25 Mbps for 4K w/ HDR, so you've got plenty of headroom on wired even if WiFi would be faster, and that's a major variable. I just helped a neighbor who had the latest and greatest 802.11ac "WiFi + modem" combo from her ISP. She had 300 Mbps service but could only push 25-100 Mbps over WiFi regardless of band or device. I brought over my ASUS RT-AC88U and was able to push the full 300 Mbps to all of her AC-enabled devices, in several cases even when separated by a floor. She now has one of those herself.

On a somewhat related note, you might want to consider naming your 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz networks identically. Devices these days are smart enough to choose the band that will work best, which can change depending on distance from the router. If you name them separately, each client will hang onto whichever network is highest in its saved network list even if the other would be better. Admittedly not much of an issue for a TV that won't be moving around, but just fyi -- unless of course you have one of the many Netgear routers that inexplicably disallow naming the two WiFi bands identically.
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from an original UHD disc converted with a 5.1 compression ratio streaming from an SMB or DLNA server. And since you are doing the conversion you can pick a lot of the codec settings. Since gigabit has been around nearly 2 decades I'm not sure what the point of cheaping out on anything and putting in 100mbit is - to save $1.49 per port?
I would bet that there isn't a gigabit chip in there specifically. Ethernet is probably incorporated into some other SoC that Sony chose for a more important reason and that vendor somehow never updated the SoC for Gigabit, possibly for as simple a reason as physical packaging of the chip since Gigabit uses all 8 pins and 100 Mbps only uses 4. And as others have already pointed out, 100 Mbps seems to be the max even from UHD BDs, so with even minimal compression, I doubt this will become a real-world limitation, especially if the WiFi is up to snuff -- assuming of course the owner's WiFi signal is strong enough where the TV is to be located.
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Running from display back to source; My Z9 is plugged into a Netgear Prosafe GS108 in the Living Room. In-wall structured Cat5e between LRm and the network can closet on 2nd floor where it connects with a Netgear Prosafe GS116. This GS116 is fed by the AT&T gateway.

So to answer your question the two status lights on the switches both reflect capable of 1,000 speed. Same on the GS108 line from the Z9. However this doesn't let me test the speed my Z9 is actually getting.

As to why I care, I'm just looking for best quality streaming 4k I can get from the native Netflix and YouTube apps and trying to see if 2.4ghz wifi vs 5ghz wifi vs Ethernet is fastest.


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Ethernet - period. Won't even be close. You can't compare the link speed of wifi latest judder etc to true Ethernet.


Remember uncompressed Blu ray is 25mb average and 50 peak. Netflix is like 12 peak (why it's such crap)




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It is certainly true that we can't be completely sure until it's specifically stated by Sony, but I simply can't imagine the possibility of DV for built in apps and not the HDMI input. If the hardware is there and is indeed upgradable to DV, then it will be done for the apps and the inputs. Can you imagine the flak that Sony would get from everywhere if DV was only for the built in apps. It's simply incomprehensible. Given that Dobly would love to see 4K HDR blu-rays with DV sell like crazy, I can't even imagine Dobly licensing DV for built in apps only.
Probably kinda the same flak that people gave to Sony when the PlayStation 4 Pro can play 4K content and HDR but can't even play 4K Blu-Ray discs?
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Arg. Was about to order the 75 from cp and then the seed of doubt about the HDMI port!!!
I know the feeling, but in this case I just can't imagine DV only applying to built-in apps. If DV can technically be transmitted even back on HDMI 1.4 and we know this set has 2.0a (18 Gbps) ports, then I can't imagine any possible reason why DV wouldn't be supportable over HDMI if it works on the built-in apps. The chip that enables DV in the first place (the X1 Extreme) is used to process signals coming in over HDMI, after all. I'm sitting on the fence until the DV through AVR situation is a bit clearer, since it seems that it's technically possible, but only if a non-DV AVR can pass video signals through without any processing at all, so I'm holding off on an AVR upgrade until that gets sorted. Otherwise, the only other question marks for me were dynamic HDR10 and HLG, but it seems both are designed to be firmware-only upgrades since they won't require more/faster hardware, so the only question will be whether vendors bother to actually create firmware updates for a given product, but I'm betting Sony will take care of their flagship, and I seem to recall reading something from CES saying that they expected to offer HLG via firmware update on this set when the standard is nailed down.

And I actually took the plunge ordering a 75" Z9D from CP today!
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It is certainly true that we can't be completely sure until it's specifically stated by Sony, but I simply can't imagine the possibility of DV for built in apps and not the HDMI input. If the hardware is there and is indeed upgradable to DV, then it will be done for the apps and the inputs. Can you imagine the flak that Sony would get from everywhere if DV was only for the built in apps. It's simply incomprehensible. Given that Dobly would love to see 4K HDR blu-rays with DV sell like crazy, I can't even imagine Dobly licensing DV for built in apps only.
My fear is only on one HDMI port.

It's not the 1st time Sony has done this. My 65 inch 850A HDTV had an update for HDCP 2.2 on port #4. Next year's model has it on all ports. Who knows how many ports will have DV on the Z9D.
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My fear is only on one HDMI port.

It's not the 1st time Sony has done this. My 65 inch 850A HDTV had an update for HDCP 2.2 on port #4. Next year's model has it on all ports. Who knows how many ports will have DV on the Z9D.
Considering DV works via HMDI on the Vizio P series right now and they are only HDMI 2.0a, I can't see the ports being and issue. Might only be ports 2 and 3 but that's fine.

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Considering DV works via HMDI on the Vizio P series right now and they are only HDMI 2.0a, I can't see the ports being and issue. Might only be ports 2 and 3 but that's fine.
I read a post on this forum that the 940D HDTV has HDR on all ports. But why only on two ports on the Z9D? That got me thinking that the non HDR ports might be upgradable. This was back in July 2016. I didn't want to get everyone's hope up back then. Today, I'm like....."I knew it!"

Since I have a Chromecast Ultra, it's designed to hook up to the HDTV. I'm hoping the built-in VUDU app on the Z9D can pass DV to the set. Because if only one port on the Z9D is upgraded to DV, I'm going to have a hard time hooking up the Oppo 203 and the Chromecast Ultra to the same port.
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Would the OPPO 203's HDMI input work as an option if it is upgraded...?


"The back panel's HDMI input is HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2, which means it will accept up to a 4K/60 signal but it doesn't currently support HDR pass-through. (My OPPO rep says this function could be added at a later date, but that has not yet been determined.)"
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Probably kinda the same flak that people gave to Sony when the PlayStation 4 Pro can play 4K content and HDR but can't even play 4K Blu-Ray discs?
Well, OK then. I guess Sony can do any crazy thing they think is best. Guess we'll all have to wait many months before we know if DV comes to HDMI in my Z9D.

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from an original UHD disc converted with a 5.1 compression ratio streaming from an SMB or DLNA server. And since you are doing the conversion you can pick a lot of the codec settings. Since gigabit has been around nearly 2 decades I'm not sure what the point of cheaping out on anything and putting in 100mbit is - to save $1.49 per port?
But that stream will be less than 100mbit;

Anyway how are yoicks ripping it:? THE encryption has not yet been cracked right?

I agree it's cheap but you sill never saturate the 100mbit. Never

So save the $1.49 and the support call. Cost when some dumbo turns on jumbo frames and mucks it up

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As to why I care, I'm just looking for best quality streaming 4k I can get from the native Netflix and YouTube apps and trying to see if 2.4ghz wifi vs 5ghz wifi vs Ethernet is fastest.
Fast.com is owned by Netflix and gives a nice and simple indication of your streaming bandwidth. I used it to verify that my AV1200 Powerline connection bests 802.11ac to my MuMIMO router in both the 2.4 and 5 Ghz bands (we only have one adjacent neighbor).

For now my LG E6 shows 40Mbps on fast.com via Powerline Ethernet vs 29Mbps over Wifi. My connection is legacy Time Warner Cable that was rated 50/5Mbps up/down but measures 70/7Mbps since Spectrum took over. For $10 more per month I can get 100/10 (they offer up to 500/50 but 70Mbps meets our needs). I believe a reading ≥20Mbps on fast.com (with your TV's browser) is all you need to enjoy streaming services at their highest quality. I use Powerline Ethernet wherever possible (only Roku Sticks, phones & tablets are on WiFi). We have DirecTV Now in addition to Denon Heos, Plex, Netflix, Amazon, & Hulu.

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Fast.com is owned by Netflix and gives a nice and simple indication of your streaming bandwidth. I used it to verify that my AV1200 Powerline connection bests 802.11ac to my MuMIMO router in both the 2.4 and 5 Ghz bands (we only have one adjacent neighbor).

For now my LG m (with your TV's browser) is ulu.


I agree power line has come along way but you still see judder vs Ethernet. Try playing Nvidia cloud games or ps4 streaming - it's ok. It not great.

Still mich better than wifi in terms of latency


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Mine does. 1GB LED for Z9D port is not lit up.
My switch also shows 100Mbps for the LG OLED65E6P.

My LG, Sony, Samsung, and TCL TVs have only a 100Mbps Ethernet interface. My Roku 3, ChromeCast, Apple TV 4 and Sony Blu-ray players also have only a 100Mbps Ethernet interface. These devices likely do not have the processing power to Rx more than 100Mbps. Only my PS3, PS4, and Xbox One S have Gigabit interfaces. Most likely this is to minimize latency and not increase bandwidth. My Powerline Ethernet (which measures between 100-400Mbps depending on distance) is not taxed by my current bandwidth needs.

Even if you can rip and stream UHD Blu-rays, you likely still won't need more than 100Mbps. But, I would probably need to upgrade my Powerline to Cat5 at a minimum since Powerline is a shared medium.
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I agree power line has come along way but you still see judder vs Ethernet. Try playing Nvidia cloud games or ps4 streaming - it's ok. It not great.

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I have no judder. My AV1200 Powerline bandwidth exceeds the pipe provided by the ISP. But I agree, it's better than WiFi but less than wired 100Mbps Ethernet let alone GigE. I can stream ripped 1080p Blu-rays without issue.

My ReadyNAS has a GigE interface. However, only my Windows Server and Notebook PCs can fully utilize the GigE bandwidth as they are the able to support jumbo frames and file transfer protocols other than DLNA. No jumbo frame support on the gaming machines AFAIK. I have been meaning to test VLC on the Xbox though (is it limited to DLNA?).
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