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Because HCFR is calculating color gamut by using 6-8 measurements (White, Black, Red, Green, Blue, Cyan, Magenta, Yellow) and then calculating the gamut volume only based on those. This is the basic version that currently CalMAN does as well.

Color volume is taking those colors and measuring them at a variety of different luminance levels, depending on what you specify. You could say 100 nits for SDR, 1000 nits and 4000 nits for HDR, and 10000 nits for future reference. Then you'll start to see TVs that are falling way short of 100% because they can't hit those color points at levels past a certain luminance. There are also multiple ways to measure both gamut and color volume, and no set standard, but gamut and volume are different things.
Yeah I understand the principle of measuring color volume but somehow thought that was also a color volume test, didn't look thorough enough
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Yeah I understand the principle of measuring color volume but somehow thought that was also a color volume test, didn't look thorough enough


So our Sony does better than the QLeD then?


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Are these the most up to date settings?
Thanks for quoting that entire huge post to ask a simple question. I'm sure everyone having to scroll through it is equally appreciative.
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Thanks for quoting that entire huge post to ask a simple question. I'm sure everyone having to scroll through it is equally appreciative.
I'm sure we all moved on really quick after that
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No one knows since there aren't color volume measurements for all of the displays yet, there are multiple ways to measure color volume (without an accepted standard at the moment), and they could both be equal on content that exists today but one could be better for future content. Really, no one can say definitively either way.

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You are probably on to something with adv. contrast enhancer.... I watched a few scenes this morning from various SDR content and flipped between off and high to see what the effect could be. I had trouble finding a scene where enabling it was noticeably detrimental to the picture, and in some cases it did add an extra bit of perceived dimensionality to things. "High" does lend a somewhat processed look to the overall picture however.

Here's an example from Skyfall. check out the mountainside behind bond, some of the details in the clouds, and to an extent the definition in the trees in front of bonds face. both pics were taken w/ my iPhone 7 with AF/Exposure locked so not super scientific but it should get the point across:


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Agree. Nice pics showing it - it really seems appropriate and I am shocked at the lack of added lag.

I have just focused on low and medium in terms of hdr clipping. It helps so much in those large cloud areas

I have failed after extensive testing to see it "crush" the black. On my sharp elite the advanced contrast (why I keep calling it wrong) would do that also .

Live color on low is more like "selective vivid". If you look at say the Xbox dashboard, only already bright primary colors get an extra pop. For example, in Gears of war only the RED "4" gets the added pop. It's impressive how subtle it can be

Finally smoothness 1 in HDR looks fantastic . I don't see the SOE and motion on ufobusters still beats 1080.

Nice pics. If you download the free Lightroom app you can shoot in RAW


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Agree. Nice pics showing it - it really seems appropriate and I am shocked at the lack of added lag.

I have just focused on low and medium in terms of hdr clipping. It helps so much in those large cloud areas

I have failed after extensive testing to see it "crush" the black. On my sharp elite the advanced contrast (why I keep calling it wrong) would do that also .

Live color on low is more like "selective vivid". If you look at say the Xbox dashboard, only already bright primary colors get an extra pop. For example, in Gears of war only the RED "4" gets the added pop. It's impressive how subtle it can be

Finally smoothness 1 in HDR looks fantastic . I don't see the SOE and motion on ufobusters still beats 1080.

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Later on as they drive up to the entrance of skyfall ranch there is a heavy fog covering the landscape and mostly obscuring the mountains/buildings in the background. With ACE on high a lot of that fog more or less gets processed away, so I do think that is one example where ACE has a negative effect, at least on high. I checked around in dark knight rises, interstellar, and Prometheus (all SDR) and haven't seen an instance of negative effect in the blacks either yet...

Like you say, HDR is probably another story. Gotta find some reference clips on amazon or Netflix to check against
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I will get shot for saying it, but this is the most amazing gaming panel on the planet


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You are probably on to something with adv. contrast enhancer.... I watched a few scenes this morning from various SDR content and flipped between off and high to see what the effect could be. I had trouble finding a scene where enabling it was noticeably detrimental to the picture, and in some cases it did add an extra bit of perceived dimensionality to things. "High" does lend a somewhat processed look to the overall picture however.
I've recently been using ACE on low with streaming the SDR series "The Americans" from the ZD9's internal Android, some TiVo'ed OTA broadcast TV series, and DVDs. So far, I've found that with less than stellar source programming that it does add some dimensionally or "pop" for lack of better words with a better overall perceived picture and without a processed look with these sources.
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For what it's worth, the default settings for Cinema Home do have both advanced contrast and black enhancer on Medium. I like their effects.

Live Color looks good in video games but on movies I didn't like the effect too much, even on Low.
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For what it's worth, the default settings for Cinema Home do have both advanced contrast and black enhancer on Medium. I like their effects.

Live Color looks good in video games but on movies I didn't like the effect too much, even on Low.
Here's some measurements of live color off, low, and high. Low seems to track well within the first half to 2/3rds of the saturation range, but it starts extending at that point, and 100% saturations are quite a bit more saturated than rec709 target. LC on high seems to over-saturate at every level.

You can really see the effect if you pull up that CIE color diagram on your screen and just alternate between the live color settings.

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Anyone else having their motion settings in one mode (say game ) be the same in all modes?

Motion settings on mind seem per hdmi input not picture Modes. So annoying.

So my clear3 in game sticks to cinema home


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Hi, I'm a 65" Z9D owner in Australia. This thread has been a great source of information for me. Anyway, I keep getting a pop up notification that says " Unfortunately Hueymodule has stopped".

Does anyone know why I'm getting this? It happens at least once a day. I've tried clearing the cache for that app. I don't even know what it's for. Could I disable it?
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Hi, I'm a 65" Z9D owner in Australia. This thread has been a great source of information for me. Anyway, I keep getting a pop up notification that says " Unfortunately Hueymodule has stopped".

Does anyone know why I'm getting this? It happens at least once a day. I've tried clearing the cache for that app. I don't even know what it's for. Could I disable it?
I'm also in Australia and am getting the same error notification.

I tried to force stop the Huey Module in the app settings, but it still comes back. So much useless stuff seems to be running in the background. Must be one of the reasons the Android interface runs so sluggishly sometimes.

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Well, yesterday I held my breath and took the plunge! Getting a 65Z9D on the 4th. Went into Best Buy just to see what all the noise was about OLEDs and took one look at the Z9D's picture and that was it. Don't get me wrong, the OLEDs looked terrific, but there was just something about this TV that grabbed me. It also doesn't hurt that I like 3D, which this set of course has compared to the 2017 LGs. I am coming from a 65VT50 which is still looking good and will become my secondary TV. When I got home from Best Buy and turned on the Panasonic, I could not believe the difference between the 2! The Panasonic's picture looked like I was looking at a standard definition TV in comparison to the Sony.

Slowly going through this thread trying to pick up some pointers and calibration suggestions. From what I can, it sounds like this TV looks excellent right out of the box. Am thinking very hard about having a professional calibrator come in to set my TV up once I get some time on it.

Hope the Z9D lasts as long as my Sony 32" Trinitron has, at least until I get the upgrade urge again! The Trinitron is a tank and is still working.

Don't be surprised if I come back with some questions once my new TV is installed. You practically have to go to school to learn how to get the most out of these new TVs.

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Congrats!! Start with 10k settings home.cinema but enable active contrast low. Enjoy it.

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Slowly going through this thread trying to pick up some pointers and calibration suggestions. From what I can, it sounds like this TV looks excellent right out of the box. Am thinking very hard about having a professional calibrator come in to set my TV up once I get some time on it.
Welcome to the club! (I mean the one associated with this thread; but as a 24-year retiree myself, if you are newly retired I welcome you to that club, too!)

You are correct in that most of us seem to find the out-of-the-box settings very good as far as that goes. But every viewer and viewing environment (and every panel for that matter) is different, such that it pays dividends to adjust the default settings to suit your purposes. You can either stick with the Sony defaults or get lost in the weeds adjusting and fine-tuning until the cows come home, but I feel the best attitude lies somewhere in between the two extremes of blasé acceptance and demonic tweeking.

Before you throw down hundreds of dollars for a professional calibration, I suggest that you invest about $25 in a copy of Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2d Edition Calibration Disc (or wait until S&M comes out with a 4K version) and go to town. You can start with the out-of-the-box picture adjustment defaults or use 10K's excellent settings as a point of departure. After all, there's nothing like the satisfaction of doing your own legwork and, in the process, getting better acquainted with your set's features and what they do.

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Hope the Z9D lasts as long as my Sony 32" Trinitron has, at least until I get the upgrade urge again! The Trinitron is a tank and is still working.
I know what you mean. I had a 27" Trinitron XBR (the one with dual tuners and 32x PiP) for 16 years before I sold it still in excellent operating condition to a new owner in order to move into the digital tuner age with a 46" XBR5.

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Don't be surprised if I come back with some questions once my new TV is installed. You practically have to go to school to learn how to get the most out of these new TVs.
Agreed (and the same goes for AVR's). But Sony's miserably inadequate user documentation makes a complex problem unnecessarily arcane. Once again, it is left to AVSForum's dedicated amateurs to pull a manufacturer's chestnuts out of the fire!

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Ugh! ARC issues!

Full disclosure - everything was fine until last night. And I did my best due diligence using SONY's 'support' site. (hey, I gave it a shot!). Checked Sound settings, cleared system apps data and cache, etc.

Running TV via HDMI3 thru Pioneer Elite AV. Now suddenly no sound other than my DTV box in HDMI1 is working through AV speakers - movies from USB, anything from apps such as YT, Amazon Vid, VLC, default installed Video app - nothing! They do come thru TV speakers if I switch to it but nothing through AV speakers.

More weirdness is that when I do go to HOME to select other sources, the current sound from my DTV box would stop and the selected sound from whatever was selected would process normally. Now the sound from the DTV box just continues coming thru the AV speakers. Again, everything was working fine but something changed and alas, I have no clue.

Any and all suggestions will be tried at least once and probably multiple times. Much obliged.
This is how I troubleshoot my ARC connection when it breaks between my x950b and Denon x3200w receiver (e.g., when the TV or receiver undergoes a firmware update). I found it on a Sony community forum:

Make sure both the TV and other device are turned on.
While turned on, unplug the power cords for the TV and device from the electrical outlet.
Disconnect the HDMI cables from the TV and other product.
Wait 2 minutes.
While the HDMI cables are disconnected, plug the power cords back into the electrical outlet.
Turn on the TV.
Re-connect the HDMI cables.
Turn on the HDMI-connected product.
Verify that the appropriate input is selected on the home audio system

And, you should be good to go. Let me know if it works.
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Is there any way to show the picture info on the screen? rgb/ycbcr and chroma?

trying to troubleshoot an issue with 8bpc / 10bpc hdr etc and want to rule out the AVR but can't figure out how to get the info up on android tv
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Calibration of Z9D

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I concur 100% with your assessment regarding calibration of the Z9D.


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I had my previous 2 TVs, including a Pioneer 9th generation Kuro Elite 151 plasma, professionally calibrated by a ISF professional who comes highly recommended here on AVS forum. The results of the calibrations were definitely worth it to me.

After purchasing the Z9D, I started off with 10Ks settings and then used a Spears and Munsil HD calibration disk to dial in the final settings. I was quite happy with the results. However, not being able to leave well enough alone and since I had great experiences with the prior professional calibrations of my previous TVs, I decided to have our Z9D professionally calibrated by the same person. Long story short, is that for the most part, I was not all that impressed this time around, and believe that the money could have been better spent elsewhere. The colors on my Z9D were pretty accurate right out of the box as mentioned by my calibrator. He did adjust the 2 point calibration settings though. Color temperature, display gamma, Gray Scale, and CIE triSimulus were slighly improved too as shown by before and after graphs, but it was not a night and day difference, and unlike our previous TVs, neither my wife or I could see improvements post calibration, above and beyond what I had done on my own. Of course YMMV and this is just both my wife's and my subjective opinion.

@RetiredandLovingIt .

Congratulations with the purchase of your new Z9D.

You can read what I wrote a little while ago about my experience with the professional calibration that I had for my Z9D.
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And if you care about making your games look incredible then read mine.
Have been using your HDR game settings for HZD on a PS4 Pro and really can't thank you enough for going to the trouble to research and post them. "Incredible" is an overused word these days, but in this case it fits!

Also many thanks to 10K for sharing his settings. They have been instrumental in getting the most out of my Z9D. And apparently provided a great base for sjchmura's gaming settings.

In short, I keep raving to friends about this set, and the fact that I couldn't be happier about having decided to spend the money for it.
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Thanks all for the warm welcome!

I do have the S&M 2nd ed as well as Disney WoW, DVE, and others. Also have the CalMan Home calibration software and meter that I used on the VT50. As suggested, will definitely have a go at it myself first.

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Have been using your HDR game settings for HZD on a PS4 Pro and really can't thank you enough for going to the trouble to research and post them. "Incredible" is an overused word these days, but in this case it fits!



Also many thanks to 10K for sharing his settings. They have been instrumental in getting the most out of my Z9D. And apparently provided a great base for sjchmura's gaming settings.



In short, I keep raving to friends about this set, and the fact that I couldn't be happier about having decided to spend the money for it.

Thanks so much!! Appreciate the kind words

10k inspired me to play with every setting and try to maximize hdr and SDR gaming. The bfi, low hdr fake, and low active contrast really is an amazing mode

Sony should make it a default - use the light cannon even in SDR!!



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