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We want to make sure there are no obvious problems like this: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures...00_large10.jpg
..pro-calibration, clean source, dark room, dark content, on axis/off axis with subtitles ON or end credits + comment of owner on pics would give one a good impression. Aside from blooming there is also the impact of Local Dimming on stuff like stars. For instance according Rtings Vizio P series has no blooming, blacks are great but stars in the sky will not be bright when Local Dimming is turned on.
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Are you speculating or did you actually try the Darbee on standard material? Have any of you owners applied the Darbee on a Sony Z to study the its effect upon standard broadcasts?
Sony tvs have a "reality creation" setting. It works in the same way as darbee (per Chad B.) Not sure if it's as effective though. Chad did say that he could put reality creation I believe up to 20 without inducing negative artifacts to the picture. But like everything else, the source quality plays a big role. The lower the source, the less you want to use it (will induce artifacts faster).
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Sony tvs have a "reality creation" setting. It works in the same way as darbee (per Chad B.) Not sure if it's as effective though. Chad did say that he could put reality creation I believe up to 20 without inducing negative artifacts to the picture. But like everything else, the source quality plays a big role. The lower the source, the less you want to use it (will induce artifacts faster).
I myself had a Darbee for a couple of years but I sold it when I got the samsung 9500. It did make the picture much
worse when a lot of filmgrain was present in a movie. The scaler from Samsung does a much better job with film grain then in tandem with a Darbee.

I expect the Z9D to be even much better in this aspect.

I like my picture to be very sharp so I expect to crank up that reality creation setting to around the mid position... although the first part, reality, will not be true then anymore....
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Will try credits later tonight maybe tomorrow. Weekends are busy for me.
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How much does the 65 inch weigh?
From the specs:

TV only: 70.5 lbs (32.0 Kg)
TV with stand: 78.7 lbs (35.7 Kg)

Carton weight: 103.6 lbs (47 kg)
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Best Buy stores in my area show the Z9D available for delivery Monday. I'm going to drop by today in hopes one is on display this weekend.
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Hi Larry. How far away do you sit from the screen? Thank you.
About 8 feet.
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75" vs 65"
No, I've seen Sony 55", 65" and 75" TVs side by side, and there's no difference in sharpness with the same material playing. The same is true of 55" & 65" OLEDs, no difference in sharpness.

I think it's either related to the noise reduction or OLED vs LCD technology. Either way, we're not talking about large differences.
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About 8 feet.
@Larry Little and @robert9674 , have either of you owned a 940C/D? I'm thinking about getting the 75" Z9D, but want to be sure it's a true upgrade over the 940C. I saw that 6.0.1 is the OS, that gives me hope for the 940C upgrade coming soon.
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OFFICIAL Sony XBR-65Z9D Owner's Thread [no price talk please]

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There's a reddish glow into the black area picked up by the camera that extends well beyond where a normal blooming/raised black level would be, so I doubt that's from the TV. I got a much lower black pixel value from areas to the left/right of center.







We want to make sure there are no obvious problems like this: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures...00_large10.jpg


What TV is this??

Also, what's the content? Would like to compare on my 940d. I,like others here, am trying to figure out if 940d to 65z will be a fair trade off of size vs quality.

I think 75z at that that current price will be tough to rationalize, so I'm deciding whether to keep the 75x940d or drop the size for better picture in 65z9d.

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From the specs:

TV only: 70.5 lbs (32.0 Kg)
TV with stand: 78.7 lbs (35.7 Kg)

Carton weight: 103.6 lbs (47 kg)
Cool. So with the stand the 65 inch weighs only 4 pounds more than my 50 inch KURO does without it's speakers and stand
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What TV is this??

Also, what's the content? Would like to compare on my 940d. I,like others here, am trying to figure out if 940d to 65z will be a fair trade off of size vs quality.

I think 75z at that that current price will be tough to rationalize, so I'm deciding whether to keep the 75x940d or drop the size for better picture in 65z9d.

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I can see trading 75" to 75" if there's a significant difference in PQ, but I certainly can't see losing 10" of screen real estate. There's no way the quality difference will justify that IMO.
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I can see trading 75" to 75" if there's a significant difference in PQ, but I certainly can't see losing 10" of screen real estate. There's no way the quality difference will justify that IMO.
I completely agree, @Ken Ross .

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Purchased the 65 Z9D today, delivery Friday. Would love some suggestions for which 4K player I should go with / wait for(panasonic). I don't care about audio features. Also any 4K blu Rays I should start with?
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What TV is this??

Also, what's the content? Would like to compare on my 940d. I,like others here, am trying to figure out if 940d to 65z will be a fair trade off of size vs quality.

I think 75z at that that current price will be tough to rationalize, so I'm deciding whether to keep the 75x940d or drop the size for better picture in 65z9d.

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Per the thread title, this is the XBR65Z9D. The content is The Martian which I presume was in HDR when these pictures were taken.
FWIW, I have the 940D. I've seen the Z9's in person. The 75" Z9 will be worth the wait. The price will likely be $8999 when it comes to market late this month or early next. I am sure you can get them for less from authorized sellers. That said, it's certainly a step up from the 940D in pretty much every aspect when it comes to PQ but the 940D is still an absolutely terrific display in every way. There is no way I would step down from the 75" 940D to the 65" Z9 simply because the size difference is important to me. That said, I do have a 75" Z9 on order as I get them wholesale and unless I sell it before I get my hands on it, it will replace my 940D and somebody local will get a great deal on a terrific 940D.
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Purchased the 65 Z9D today, delivery Friday. Would love some suggestions for which 4K player I should go with / wait for(panasonic). I don't care about audio features. Also any 4K blu Rays I should start with?
You probably won't go wrong with an oppo if you can wait that long, rumors are still for a late year release I believe

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Per the thread title, this is the XBR65Z9D. The content is The Martian which I presume was in HDR when these pictures were taken.

FWIW, I have the 940D. I've seen the Z9's in person. The 75" Z9 will be worth the wait. The price will likely be $8999 when it comes to market late this month or early next. I am sure you can get them for less from authorized sellers. That said, it's certainly a step up from the 940D in pretty much every aspect when it comes to PQ but the 940D is still an absolutely terrific display in every way. There is no way I would step down from the 75" 940D to the 65" Z9 simply because the size difference is important to me. That said, I do have a 75" Z9 on order as I get them wholesale and unless I sell it before I get my hands on it, it will replace my 940D and somebody local will get a great deal on a terrific 940D.


The picture was an example of blooming/clouding. It's actually a Panasonic 900 if I am to trust the source URL. the poster of that pic was asking for a z9 owner to take a similar pic. I was asking what tv demonstrated that so badly as I wanted to know what to avoid.

Thanks for the feedback on the z9 to 940d comparison. I can't believe I'm actually trying to convince myself 8-9 grand will be an ok expense!

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The picture was an example of blooming/clouding. It's actually a Panasonic 900 if I am to trust the source URL. the poster of that pic was asking for a z9 owner to take a similar pic. I was asking what tv demonstrated that so badly as I wanted to know what to avoid.

Thanks for the feedback on the z9 to 940d comparison. I can't believe I'm actually trying to convince myself 8-9 grand will be an ok expense!

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My bad. I didn't look at his link. I was talking about the 3 pictures posted in attachment in post 855 by Robert9674.

As for 940D vs Z9.. I think the 75" will be worth the wait and a worthy upgrade of the 940D but as I said, the 940D is a terrific display and arguably the best current display in it's class. The Z9 will up the bar a bit though in terms of blacks, HDR and probably even motion IMO though I have no issues with any of the above with my 940D and absolutely love the display in every way.

Edit: Now that has me curious too as to which movie that was from. I'd like to bring that up on my 940D for comparative purposes. That is kind of unsightly.
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It only has a two point cms
That seems odd to me. My 940D has a 10 point gamma adjustment.

Settings to adv. settings to colour to adv. colour temperature to basic to colour adv. points to 1 - 10.

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My bad. I didn't look at his link. I was talking about the 3 pictures posted in attachment in post 855 by Robert9674.
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Edit: Now that has me curious too as to which movie that was from. I'd like to bring that up on my 940D for comparative purposes. That is kind of unsightly.
From the source of that pic, flatpanelshd.com review of Panasonic dx900, that pic is from one of these:

"we found several examples of this issue while watching The Martian, X-Men: Days of Future Past, and a variety of demo clips. When you know what to look for it is there.
Read more at http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1462429125#mvWqo4 o7K7wrSu4G.99"
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From the source of that pic, flatpanelshd.com review of Panasonic dx900, that pic is from one of these:

"we found several examples of this issue while watching The Martian, X-Men: Days of Future Past, and a variety of demo clips. When you know what to look for it is there.
Read more at http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1462429125#mvWqo4 o7K7wrSu4G.99"
Pretty sure it's The Martian.
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The picture was an example of blooming/clouding. It's actually a Panasonic 900 if I am to trust the source URL. the poster of that pic was asking for a z9 owner to take a similar pic. I was asking what tv demonstrated that so badly as I wanted to know what to avoid.

Thanks for the feedback on the z9 to 940d comparison. I can't believe I'm actually trying to convince myself 8-9 grand will be an ok expense!

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Well I'm irked...apparently Best Buy screwed up my delivery time so now I'll have to wait until Tuesday morning
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Ok same scene . I used my crappy tablet. So blooming isn't really there. Pay attention to how many more stars you see as opposed to the other pic of the Panasonic dx900 link above with same pic

link to dx900 pic of same scene

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let me reiterate blooming isn't there at all. none whatsoever....just trying to prevent multiple question.....
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let me reiterate blooming isn't there at all. none whatsoever....just trying to prevent multiple question.....
I saw the "Martian" photo you took with your phone looked pretty sweet. So why take this pic with your 'crappy' tablet?
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