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Guys, sorry for the "silly" question, but i've sold my Pioneer KRP-600A, and i want a TV 4k capable and with the level of blacks my Pioneer had and with SD good quality as the Plasma had. I still have many Laserdiscs, DVD's and D-Theater VHS tapes.



I read about the OLED TV's and all of them have issues, or motion or crappy SD, or whatever...



All i hear about this Sony is that blacks are not great, but is it really like that? Or they can match the Pioneer?



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And motion is better than the Pioneer Plasma as well? SD is as good?
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Hello Everyone,
Just going to keep this simple.
PC Richard is replacing my XBR930D because of the Purple Ghost issue.

I am going to put the credit towards either the Z9D or the A1E.
Either TV is going to be great for me I just don't want to have to deal with image issues again so..

Just want to know if there ANY known defects/issues similar to what happened with my XBR930D.

(Going to make the same post in the A1E thread)
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Yup. Set to enhanced.

It's a bit mind boggling that a TV at this price point limits HDR to only a couple of inputs and not all of them!
All 4 HDMI inputs are HDR capable, however, only 2&3 are full 18 Gbps 4K/60p. HDMI 1 & 4 are 10.2Gbps, 4K/24p.
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Z9D owners. Need your thought

First of all, I started reading this thread and boy, is it long. That is why this post.

I am seriously considering the Z9D and read RTINGS' test and review on the 65Z9D. I came across an item that gave me a red flag.

RTINGS' test and review on:
Motion: Z9 at 7.7, Samy Q9 at 9, Sony A1 at 9.6 out of 10
Motion Blur: Z9 at 7.4, Q9 9.3, A1 10 out of 10


Basically RTINGS mentioned the Z9D was not good in comparison to other flagship sets.

Have you owners noticed anything. Any input would be great to help with my purchase decision.

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Z9D owners. Need your thought

First of all, I started reading this thread and boy, is it long. That is why this post.

I am seriously considering the Z9D and read RTINGS' test and review on the 65Z9D. I came across an item that gave me a red flag.

RTINGS' test and review on:
Motion: Z9 at 7.7, Samy Q9 at 9, Sony A1 at 9.6 out of 10
Motion Blur: Z9 at 7.4, Q9 9.3, A1 10 out of 10


Basically RTINGS mentioned the Z9D was not good in comparison to other flagship sets.

Have you owners noticed anything. Any input would be great to help with my purchase decision.
Here is 7.7
http://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/z...blur-large.jpg

and here is 10
http://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/a...blur-large.jpg

I never see it besides on occasion in retro games or animation with high contrast hard edges. In HDTVTest 2017 z9d vs A1 OLED review they mentioned that while watching tennis on the TV side by side they could see the A1 had less motion blur, but that watching either individually was fine.
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Here is 7.7
http://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/z...blur-large.jpg

and here is 10
http://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/a...blur-large.jpg

I never see it besides on occasion in retro games or animation with high contrast hard edges. In HDTVTest 2017 z9d vs A1 OLED review they mentioned that while watching tennis on the TV side by side they could see the A1 had less motion blur, but that watching either individually was fine.
I THANK YOU THE INFO. It looks like I might not notice a thing

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Z9D owners. Need your thought

First of all, I started reading this thread and boy, is it long. That is why this post.

I am seriously considering the Z9D and read RTINGS' test and review on the 65Z9D. I came across an item that gave me a red flag.

RTINGS' test and review on:
Motion: Z9 at 7.7, Samy Q9 at 9, Sony A1 at 9.6 out of 10
Motion Blur: Z9 at 7.4, Q9 9.3, A1 10 out of 10


Basically RTINGS mentioned the Z9D was not good in comparison to other flagship sets.

Have you owners noticed anything. Any input would be great to help with my purchase decision.
Purely a subjective opinion, but I have no doubt this is the best TV I have ever owned! I have the 65" Z9D which is supposed to be more susceptible to motion blur and I don't notice it a bit. I am watching the Dallas/Rams game right now and it looks great. Watch some soccer earlier and that look excellent as well. Games look great as well but I don't play many "twitch" type games.

If you can get the TV from some place with a good return policy, why not give it a try? We can give you our opinion, but yours is the one that matters. Try it, you'll like it.
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Purely a subjective opinion, but I have no doubt this is the best TV I have ever owned! I have the 65" Z9D which is supposed to be more susceptible to motion blur and I don't notice it a bit. I am watching the Dallas/Rams game right now and it looks great. Watch some soccer earlier and that look excellent as well. Games look great as well but I don't play many "twitch" type games.

If you can get the TV from some place with a good return policy, why not give it a try? We can give you our opinion, but yours is the one that matters. Try it, you'll like it.
Excellent review. My guess is: If you don't notice it during football or soccer, then it might be OK.

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Z9D owners. Need your thought

First of all, I started reading this thread and boy, is it long. That is why this post.

I am seriously considering the Z9D and read RTINGS' test and review on the 65Z9D. I came across an item that gave me a red flag.

RTINGS' test and review on:
Motion: Z9 at 7.7, Samy Q9 at 9, Sony A1 at 9.6 out of 10
Motion Blur: Z9 at 7.4, Q9 9.3, A1 10 out of 10


Basically RTINGS mentioned the Z9D was not good in comparison to other flagship sets.

Have you owners noticed anything. Any input would be great to help with my purchase decision.
Never noticed a damn thing, if you do then you should join the Avengers in the Infinity War.
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Never noticed a damn thing, if you do then you should join the Avengers in the Infinity War.
I am very glad to hear that owners do not seem to have the problems Rtings mentions.

They must be looking at patterns with stress tests and not real world stuff.

Thanks for your thought
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I am very glad to hear that owners do not seem to have the problems Rtings mentions.
My 65" Z9D is in the living room. It is far and away the best TV I've ever had, and I've had many high end sets in the past.

I wanted an inexpensive 40" set for my bedroom. The Rtings review of that set indicated it wasn't very good. Well, that set is quite fine and was MUCH better than the Rtings review would imply. IMHO, Rtings exists NOT to give real world reviews, but to make themselves look impressive by exaggerating any tiny little imperfection. I would trust my cat's review of a product over Rtings' nonsense.
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My 65" Z9D is in the living room. It is far and away the best TV I've ever had, and I've had many high end sets in the past.

I wanted an inexpensive 40" set for my bedroom. The Rtings review of that set indicated it wasn't very good. Well, that set is quite fine and was MUCH better than the Rtings review would imply. IMHO, Rtings exists NOT to give real world reviews, but to make themselves look impressive by exaggerating any tiny little imperfection. I would trust my cat's review of a product over Rtings' nonsense.

I like that and got a good chuckle out of it.
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In terms of motion and SD quality will it perform as the Plasma? Cause the thing is i go buy an Panasonic EZ1002 OLED or this one...nothing else!

The diference is that with the same cash i have a Sony "75" or a Panasonic "65"
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OFFICIAL Sony XBR-65Z9D Owner's Thread [no price talk please]

I have watched very little 4k UHD BR content. Not even an entire movie yet with my Oppo 203...

When I did sit down a few weeks ago to do so I noticed some white sparkles in the picture. Using HDMI 3.

I attributed it to cabling from the player to the soundbar (since my Xbox One S doesn't exhibit any issues...). Acquired new cables (certified) and it did not fix the issue...

Decided to wait until my new AVR arrived (finally time to do some real audio ) and I also got brand new cables for the output of the AVR to the TV and replaced all the source to AVR cables.

All hooked up (source cables 3-6 feet, AVR to TV 6 feet...).

Sparkles/snow/flashes even worse in HDMI 3.... switched the AVR over to its PS 4 input, and now that device has snow/sparkles (the PS 4 Pro had zero issues directly connected to the set on HDMI 2....)

Plug the Yamaha into HDMI 2 and everything is perfect. I suspect a failing/bad HDMI port. Not sure why the Xbox works ok with 4k BR...)

As a side note, at this point the cables into the tv have only been plugged in twice, no constant removing etc...

So this morning while awaiting delivery of the last of my cables, network hub etc (thanks Amazon for Sunday decliners ) I decide to switch back to HDMI 3 to see if the Xbox is the only 4k device working and notice when I plug in the fit is extremely loose and the cable is angled a bit (can see a bit of the gold connector sticking out on one side....

(And I this point I will digress to shame Sony about the design and placement of those three HDMI inputs... would it be so hard to design them so cables can slot in straight and no have to negotiate that dumb 90 degree corner back there....)

Anyways.... even with the loose cable the sparkles are gone.

So I suspect the connector was just becoming a little looser over time....

Still concerning that the fit feels so flimsy/loose. But I'll try and put something behind the cable to eliminate that strain on the input jack.


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In terms of motion and SD quality will it perform as the Plasma? Cause the thing is i go buy an Panasonic EZ1002 OLED or this one...nothing else!

The diference is that with the same cash i have a Sony "75" or a Panasonic "65"
I owned the Panasonic V10, VT30, and VT60 and my 75Z9D obliterates them with non-native sources and material.
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I owned the Panasonic V10, VT30, and VT60 and my 75Z9D obliterates them with non-native sources and material.
So it's even better with DVD and low resolution sources?

What are your conclusions in terms of black level and motion compared with the VT60?
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So it's even better with DVD and low resolution sources?



What are your conclusions in terms of black level and motion compared with the VT60?


If you calibrate to same brightness about 50 nits much better

Now if you are comparing a 2000nit game with a light canon on vs same game.on the dim.plasma.at 100nits I am.sure some would.conclude the plasma has better black

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So it's even better with DVD and low resolution sources?

What are your conclusions in terms of black level and motion compared with the VT60?
I can't comment on DVD sources as I haven't tried any. The lowest resolution sources I view are DirecTV linear broadcasts which are 720p and 1080i and then Twitch streams which are usually 900p60 and it handles that content extremely well.

It has been years since I had my VT60 so making a comparison from memory would be unreliable and I want to avoid that but the black level and motion resolution performance is nothing short of superb on the Z and I am a huge gamer.
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If you calibrate to same brightness about 50 nits much better

Now if you are comparing a 2000nit game with a light canon on vs same game.on the dim.plasma.at 100nits I am.sure some would.conclude the plasma has better black

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I care about movies, gaming i don't play too much...only Uncharted on my PS3...LOL

I watch Laserdiscs, DVD's, D-VHS tapes and Blu Rays...and of course i want to start with 4k.

Either i go ZD9 75 inch or Panasonic 1002 65...right now i am not considering anything else...
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I care about movies, gaming i don't play too much...only Uncharted on my PS3...LOL

I watch Laserdiscs, DVD's, D-VHS tapes and Blu Rays...and of course i want to start with 4k.

Either i go ZD9 75 inch or Panasonic 1002 65...right now i am not considering anything else...
A 75Z9D is a no-brainer, IMO.
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I care about movies, gaming i don't play too much...only Uncharted on my PS3...LOL



I watch Laserdiscs, DVD's, D-VHS tapes and Blu Rays...and of course i want to start with 4k.



Either i go ZD9 75 inch or Panasonic 1002 65...right now i am not considering anything else...


The screen size will matter more than anything else. If you are sitting 5-7 feet away the 65" is ok . At 7-9 feet get the Sony.

If you sit further back save your money since you seem.to be human and can't see the pixels anyway


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In terms of motion and SD quality will it perform as the Plasma? Cause the thing is i go buy an Panasonic EZ1002 OLED or this one...nothing else!

The diference is that with the same cash i have a Sony "75" or a Panasonic "65"
Motion is better and the 75 inch has over 800 zones.
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480p isn't going to look great on a 75" display regardless of display technology
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You know I have to say my Babylon 5 DVDs do look good. Kinda amazed actually how good the scaling can be


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That's a blast from the past.... first studio I worked at did the sound for that show... I worked on many episodes.

One of my first mixing gigs was episode one of the spin off "Crusade."


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That's a blast from the past.... first studio I worked at did the sound for that show... I worked on many episodes.

One of my first mixing gigs was episode one of the spin off "Crusade."


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Shame that was ruined and shown out of order - JMS has great plans.

Show was fantastic


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