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... I can't speak on the behalf of Hawkmoon but I will tell you I have a Z9D in my LR and a E7 in my MB. I believe most will agree that both are exceptional TV's and you really can't go wrong with either
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... I can't speak on the behalf of Hawkmoon but I will tell you I have a Z9D in my LR and a E7 in my MB. I believe most will agree that both are exceptional TV's and you really can't go wrong with either or.
That's probably true if you ignore viewing habits. My wife has a cable news channel on for background during most of the daylight hours. Good luck with an OLED if you have a "news ribbon" on the bottom of the screen for 8 hours a day. Whether or not I agree with her viewing habits, she has a point when she says the TV should support her vice require a change to support some particular display technology.

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Looking for the non owners thread. Or can anyone be kind enough to provide me measurements for the stand on the 75Z9D. Front to back and width! I have a table stand but a sound bar covers my current set so I raised it with blocks I wanna do the same when I purchase a 75Z9 I'm going to use a butcher block but need to know how big to get it?
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I just measured and mine is 17" wide and front to back is 9".
The specifications are shown as 17-1/4" x 11" on the manufacturer's cutsheet (see below).

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That's probably true if you ignore viewing habits. My wife has a cable news channel on for background during most of the daylight hours. Good luck with an OLED if you have a "news ribbon" on the bottom of the screen for 8 hours a day. Whether or not I agree with her viewing habits, she has a point when she says the TV should support her vice require a change to support some particular display technology.


There really is no evidence 8 hours a day will result in burn in - can't really take those burn in tests at 24/7 and extrapolate

Also they all have commercials so that means it's not 8 hours but rather 2/3 of that and not continuous

If.you were to unplug from the wall after 8 hours and not let it calibrate it would be an issue
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There really is no evidence 8 hours a day will result in burn in - can't really take those burn in tests at 24/7 and extrapolate

Also they all have commercials so that means it's not 8 hours but rather 2/3 of that and not continuous

If.you were to unplug from the wall after 8 hours and not let it calibrate it would be an issue
Following thread has approximately 2,200 posts regarding OLED IR and burn-in. Many, many resulting from far less than our usage. Lots of problems with "news ribbons". Many complaining about LG refusing to provide any relief. Try and tell them that there is not an issue.

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There really is no evidence 8 hours a day will result in burn in - can't really take those burn in tests at 24/7 and extrapolate

Also they all have commercials so that means it's not 8 hours but rather 2/3 of that and not continuous

If.you were to unplug from the wall after 8 hours and not let it calibrate it would be an issue

I’ll just say this in the subject. And this is coming from a previous Plasma and OLED snob. I think the Z9D is so good you can forget about your OLED. I have a B7 and a Z. The peace of mind the Z creates with a 7 and 2 year old, me pausing the screen to play or feed them or my child and his friends gaming etc... makes the Z a worthy purchase. At 75” the cost and quality makes this tv a big winner.
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I’ll just say this in the subject. And this is coming from a previous Plasma and OLED snob. I think the Z9D is so good you can forget about your OLED. I have a B7 and a Z. The peace of mind the Z creates with a 7 and 2 year old, me pausing the screen to play or feed them or my child and his friends gaming etc... makes the Z a worthy purchase. At 75” the cost and quality makes this tv a big winner.


Your B7 is much better than my b6.

As someone who uses an oled laptop for 2 years as a windows 10 desktop for hours a day it's fine. Not saying it can't happen - but one can't take a single test and infer it's a problem (I know it's only a 400 Nit Lenovo Samsung OLED )

Clearly running Fox news 24/7 is a problem (perhaps dsm V also) if there were no commercials . It's all we can conclude from the burn in test

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Your B7 is much better than my b6.

As someone who uses an oled laptop for 2 years as a windows 10 desktop for hours a day it's fine. Not saying it can't happen - but one can't take a single test and infer it's a problem (I know it's only a 400 Nit Lenovo Samsung OLED )

Clearly running Fox news 24/7 is a problem (perhaps dsm V also) if there were no commercials . It's all we can conclude from the burn in test
If you are running Fox News 24/7, you have MUCH bigger problems than just burn-in.

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If you are running Fox News 24/7, you have MUCH bigger problems than just burn-in.


I wonder if the Samsung OLED is just more resilient (laptops and phones). I can put a 5% screen up on my laptop and there is zero burn in despite running Windows 10 the whole time.

Rather have my z9. Just got the expansion pack for battlefieldef 1 - wow it's insane. The new WW1 combat mode flying in and out of clouds and the sun is crazy

I have settled on bfi1(clear) in game mode - sure cuts brightness down but it's still blinding when looking at the sun and motion is great

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There really is no evidence 8 hours a day will result in burn in - can't really take those burn in tests at 24/7 and extrapolate

Also they all have commercials so that means it's not 8 hours but rather 2/3 of that and not continuous

If.you were to unplug from the wall after 8 hours and not let it calibrate it would be an issue
Who wants to baby sit and have maintenance with a display?
I don't...
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How is 3D on this TV? Looking at getting a 65Z9D, in part because it seems to be the only 3D-capable 4K set that's still actively produced, or at least widely available new. It's obviously a great set in every other respect, but I particularly want to future proof myself for 4K while retaining a solid home base for my 3D blu collection.

I'm used to Vizio and LG passive 3D from two older (2012-2013 ish) edge-lit sets. There is one online review of the Z9D (Rtings) that cites poor 3D, but a couple of older AVS posts seem to suggest it's fine/good after turning off motion interpolation.

But before I take the plunge on what would still be a considerable investment, I would appreciate recent real-world thoughts from anyone here who cares to share. Thanks.
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Needing to reboot weekly is also babysitting.

At least Sony fixed the auto turning on blasting ads feature

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At least Sony fixed the auto turning on blasting ads feature
Between having to be careful what I leave on my OLED in fear of causing damage to the display vs. rebooting my Sony every now and then, I'll take a 30 second reboot every couple of months, any time of the day.
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Same with me running C61K to Denon X4200W to 65 Z9D, turn off Auto HDR blanking goes away for watching regular channels. Wonder if the Dolby Vision update for the X4200 will fix this issue. Still waiting for it. Was not an issue until the Sony DV update for the Z9D. Just received an update for the Oppo UDP 203, UDP20X-56-0224, but doesn't specifically address DV.

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Need some help with motion settings on the 65” Z9. I know the 75 has better motion so not sure if the settings on that match the 65. My issue is on SDR and HDR. Everything seems choppy and seems to stutter. People walking across a room are just not fluid, just doesn’t look natural. I feel the motion on my old HX929 was better than the Z. What settings should I use under motion? Also are there any other settings that mess with motion that I should have on or off under clarity or any other menu? I definitely do not like the soap opera effect.
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I wonder if the Samsung OLED is just more resilient (laptops and phones). I can put a 5% screen up on my laptop and there is zero burn in despite running Windows 10 the whole time.

Rather have my z9. Just got the expansion pack for battlefieldef 1 - wow it's insane. The new WW1 combat mode flying in and out of clouds and the sun is crazy

I have settled on bfi1(clear) in game mode - sure cuts brightness down but it's still blinding when looking at the sun and motion is great
All my galaxy devices have had burn-in... super noticeable when you put up a gray background. What laptops have an OLED screen?
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All my galaxy devices have had burn-in... super noticeable when you put up a gray background. What laptops have an OLED screen?


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Today's ATV4K beta firmware update provides much improved DV to the Z9D. Looks great for both Netflix app and iTunes movies. Looks like they are getting "low latency" DV to work. My iTunes movie "Startrek into Darkness" lookes as good or better in DV as it looks with my HDR10 disk. No longer dark. Now much more pop and great colors.

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There really is no evidence 8 hours a day will result in burn in - can't really take those burn in tests at 24/7 and extrapolate

Also they all have commercials so that means it's not 8 hours but rather 2/3 of that and not continuous 89

If.you were to unplug from the wall after 8 hours and not let it calibrate it would be an issue

I think LG disagrees. They were recently sued and lost. LG conceded that the defendants viewing habits were not suitable for the oled TV. His viewing habits were basically watching the news all day. I don't currently have a link but it made its way around the internet about a month ago.
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I've encountered a new glitch today.

I had been using ARC to get DD+ audio from the TV's apps to my AVR. Today, out of the blue, it stopped working. I have only the one input to the TV--HDMI 3 (ARC) from the AVR's Monitor1 (ARC) connector. As of today it stopped conveying audio. I've tried all the standard troubleshooting steps I could think of (and then some) to no avail: double-checked all the audio settings on both devices; reseated the HDMI cable; tried a different HDMI cable; turned BRAVIA Sync off and then back on; turned ARC off and then back on in the AVR; rebooted TV and AVR (both hot-boot and cold-boot), etc., etc.

I ran a digital optical (Toslink) cable and changed the TV audio input on the AVR to digital and am getting audio from the TV once again without the use of ARC. But, of course, this means no DD+ and no Atmos.

The one thing that I noticed is that in the BRAVIA Sync Device List there is a duplicate entry labelled "ADI Repeater" that I don't recall ever having seen before, and I wonder whether this is an indication of the hangup. The list looks like this now:

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Audio System HDMI 3 ADI Repeater


My last resort would be to perform a factory reset of the TV, but I am naturally loath to do that since I would lose all of my custom settings and calibrations. I tried calling Sony customer support with the typically unhelpful results.

I will keep troubleshooting, but in the meantime I would appreciate any suggestions anyone here might care to offer. Thanks.

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Need some help with motion settings on the 65” Z9. I know the 75 has better motion so not sure if the settings on that match the 65. My issue is on SDR and HDR. Everything seems choppy and seems to stutter. People walking across a room are just not fluid, just doesn’t look natural. I feel the motion on my old HX929 was better than the Z. What settings should I use under motion? Also are there any other settings that mess with motion that I should have on or off under clarity or any other menu? I definitely do not like the soap opera effect.
Any help is appreciated.
Start with True Cinema, which enables 24hz playback for 24fps film/movies. If you see any stuttering, it would be due to the inherent judder of the camera source.

Put the Cinemotion to Medium. If you watch broadcast cable, which is 60hz, it detects 24fps playback and it repeats frames (with no interpolation) to smooth it out.

If you want smoother, put motionflowto Custom and play with Smoothness and clearness. Clearness adds black frame insertion for smoother motion blur but dims the picture. You can compensate SDR material by turning up backlight. Smoothness interpolates and even 1 click starts introducing soap opera effect but very minor and some don't notice it.
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There really is no evidence 8 hours a day will result in burn in - can't really take those burn in tests at 24/7 and extrapolate

Also they all have commercials so that means it's not 8 hours but rather 2/3 of that and not continuous

If.you were to unplug from the wall after 8 hours and not let it calibrate it would be an issue
Evidence? You don't need evidence when science provides irrefutable proof. Understand how OLEDS work and what a "burn-in" means for an OLED. There will always be burn-in, whether you watch 30 minutes a day or 10 hours. It just will vary in scale.
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I've encountered a new glitch today.

I had been using ARC to get DD+ audio from the TV's apps to my AVR. Today, out of the blue, it stopped working. I have only the one input to the TV--HDMI 3 (ARC) from the AVR's Monitor1 (ARC) connector. As of today it stopped conveying audio. I've tried all the standard troubleshooting steps I could think of (and then some) to no avail: double-checked all the audio settings on both devices; reseated the HDMI cable; tried a different HDMI cable; turned BRAVIA Sync off and then back on; turned ARC off and then back on in the AVR; rebooted TV and AVR (both hot-boot and cold-boot), etc., etc.

I ran a digital optical (Toslink) cable and changed the TV audio input on the AVR to digital and am getting audio from the TV once again without the use of ARC. But, of course, this means no DD+ and no Atmos.

The one thing that I noticed is that in the BRAVIA Sync Device List there is a duplicate entry labelled "ADI Repeater" that I don't recall ever having seen before, and I wonder whether this is an indication of the hangup. The list looks like this now:

Device Input Audio System Type

Device 3 HDMI 3 AVR-X8500H

Audio System HDMI 3 ADI Repeater


My last resort would be to perform a factory reset of the TV, but I am naturally loathe to do that since I would lose all of my custom settings and calibrations. I tried calling Sony customer support with the typically unhelpful results.

I will keep troubleshooting, but in the meantime I would appreciate any suggestions anyone here might care to offer. Thanks.
Full reset on the 8500?
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After tweaking...I don't have to reboot at all.
Maybe my tweaking is deeper than most as I have ZERO notifications from apps on.
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After tweaking...I don't have to reboot at all.
Maybe my tweaking is deeper than most as I have ZERO notifications from apps on.


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Evidence? You don't need evidence when science provides irrefutable proof. Understand how OLEDS work and what a "burn-in" means for an OLED. There will always be burn-in, whether you watch 30 minutes a day or 10 hours. It just will vary in scale.


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Your z9 will burn in also as the LEDs change color

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Evidence? You don't need evidence when science provides irrefutable proof. Understand how OLEDS work and what a "burn-in" means for an OLED. There will always be burn-in, whether you watch 30 minutes a day or 10 hours. It just will vary in scale.
Part of its organic nature and will never be solved unless they approach the tech a different way,maybe Samsungs take on OLED will be the answer?
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Start with True Cinema, which enables 24hz playback for 24fps film/movies. If you see any stuttering, it would be due to the inherent judder of the camera source.

Put the Cinemotion to Medium. If you watch broadcast cable, which is 60hz, it detects 24fps playback and it repeats frames (with no interpolation) to smooth it out.

If you want smoother, put motionflowto Custom and play with Smoothness and clearness. Clearness adds black frame insertion for smoother motion blur but dims the picture. You can compensate SDR material by turning up backlight. Smoothness interpolates and even 1 click starts introducing soap opera effect but very minor and some don't notice it.
In my experience - and not just on this TV, but on several Sonys from the past few years - True Cinema does **** all with 24p material, it's always been there for restoring the proper 24p cadence to 60Hz stuff first and foremost. But even then the Film Mode (a.k.a. Cinemotion, depending on your territory) needs to be set to Medium to actually activate the reverse pulldown, as you say (personally tested with Spears & Munsil 2nd Ed's excellent suite of motion patterns).

I do use the MotionFlow on certain content, stuff that has more of a 'video' look to begin with. I always liked the Clear setting on my previous Sony sets for its subtler combo of interpolation and BFI with the only drawback being the reduction in brightness, but upping the backlight is enough to compensate when watching SDR (for HDR you've got nowhere to go, however). For the ZD9 I like a Custom combo of Smoothness on 2 and Clearness on 1, the latter introducing the BFI into the mix while the former adds enough temporal resolution to avoid any overt artefacts (again checked with S&M's patterns) and doesn't go full soap opera. My calibrated SDR backlight is at 6 so it needs to be pumped up to nearer 20 or 25 to maintain the intended luminance with BFI on, as established by elwaylite.
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