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According to Sony, only 2 and 3 support 4k HDR and Dolby Vision. 1 and 4 are for 1080p sources.
It's been reported by several owners here that HDMI 1 & 4 support HDR10 (no idea about DV) 4K at 30p and below regardless of what Sony may say (although I have never seen anything from Sony that states "exactly" what you are claiming). I don't use 1 & 4 so can't verify personally but I do trust the reports of the owners that have tested it.

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Hdmi 1 & 4 support everything except 60p 4k. 99% of the movies are 24p so they must be ok for a uhd bluray player but the problem is that some menus are at 60p. Maybe a solution is to force the player always at 24p.
Unfortunately i don't have a uhd player to try it.
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There is no support for HDR or Dolby Vision on those inputs. Only 2 and 3 have support. I use Input HDMI 3 with ARC so if and when I want to stream anything using the TV's built in apps I'm good to go.
I use a Pioneer Elite SC-99 and I can support up to HDR. I have to upgrade my VR if I want to start using Dolby Vision. So this is when I use Netflix App and ARC on the TV.
I have 2 4k sources right now as I'm trying to find a high quality Dolby Vision Blu ray player. When I do I will upgrade my AVR to something that supports Dolby Vision.
Sony X700 is the player you’re looking for. It’s not much for the eyes but it does its job well and it just got a DV update that feed to Sony’s TV’s. Oppo has a Sony update pending but discontinued production. Even used players are now selling for over MSRP. LG’s UP970 got a DV update but doesn’t support Sony TV’s.
Before getting the Sony X700 you should be aware of how it handles DV. Some don't mind it. I find it a very amateurish. You can read about it in this article:

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I've been thinking about getting a 65" Z9D very soon. There are two stores within an hour drive that have a handful of new ones left for sale. I've done a lot of research lately and I think I prefer the Z9D over the newer models, OLED included. It's partially due to the 3D capability and partially due to the reviews and comparisons that I've seen. Once Oppo releases their Sony DV firmware update it seems the Z9D will have pretty much every current option or feature available. My only hesitation is that I'm spending the same amount of money for a 2016 TV as a newer 2018 TV. I don't see a downside other than that. Am I overthinking this? Is there any real reason to consider a newer model over what seems to be the best choice?

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I've been thinking about getting a 65" Z9D very soon. There are two stores within an hour drive that have a handful of new ones left for sale. I've done a lot of research lately and I think I prefer the Z9D over the newer models, OLED included. It's partially due to the 3D capability and partially due to the reviews and comparisons that I've seen. Once Oppo releases their Sony DV firmware update it seems the Z9D will have pretty much every current option or feature available. My only hesitation is that I'm spending the same amount of money for a 2016 TV as a newer 2018 TV. I don't see a downside other than that. Am I overthinking this? Is there any real reason to consider a newer model over what seems to be the best choice?
I have one simple point:
If no one told you that it's a 2016 panel, wouldn't you have leapt out to get it, given it's rich feature set and performance?
If you agree, well then, go get it. Remember, if you snooze, you may lose..
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I've been thinking about getting a 65" Z9D very soon. There are two stores within an hour drive that have a handful of new ones left for sale. I've done a lot of research lately and I think I prefer the Z9D over the newer models, OLED included. It's partially due to the 3D capability and partially due to the reviews and comparisons that I've seen. Once Oppo releases their Sony DV firmware update it seems the Z9D will have pretty much every current option or feature available. My only hesitation is that I'm spending the same amount of money for a 2016 TV as a newer 2018 TV. I don't see a downside other than that. Am I overthinking this? Is there any real reason to consider a newer model over what seems to be the best choice?
No. Like you said yourself, it's the best choice so go for it! I think you'll be sorry if you don't.

The only model that could possibly outdo it, is the upcoming Z9F. But chances are very likely you'll be losing the 3D feature and it will cost a lot more than the Z9D is going for at the moment.
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I've been thinking about getting a 65" Z9D very soon. There are two stores within an hour drive that have a handful of new ones left for sale. I've done a lot of research lately and I think I prefer the Z9D over the newer models, OLED included. It's partially due to the 3D capability and partially due to the reviews and comparisons that I've seen. Once Oppo releases their Sony DV firmware update it seems the Z9D will have pretty much every current option or feature available. My only hesitation is that I'm spending the same amount of money for a 2016 TV as a newer 2018 TV. I don't see a downside other than that. Am I overthinking this? Is there any real reason to consider a newer model over what seems to be the best choice?
I’d get a 75 inch Z9D or Z9F model when it comes out. But if 65 is your max size go get it!
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Hdmi 1 & 4 support everything except 60p 4k. 99% of the movies are 24p so they must be ok for a uhd bluray player but the problem is that some menus are at 60p. Maybe a solution is to force the player always at 24p.
Unfortunately i don't have a uhd player to try it.
HDMI Inputs 1 & 4 support timings up to the limits of HDMI 1.4 = 10Gbps

HDMI Inputs 1 and 4 will support [email protected] timings. However the bit depth is limited to 8bits.

The HDMI v2.0 spec added the timing spec for [email protected] 8bits.

Of course not all devices will support this timing.

All of the inputs support HDR. HDR does not have to be a 4K timing. The original PS4 which is 2K supports HDR.

Changing the TV setting to Enhanced on Inputs 2 and 3 changes the EDID that is in the TV and indicates additional timings. The Enhanced setting is only required for devices that support the higher bandwidth timings.
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I've been thinking about getting a 65" Z9D very soon. There are two stores within an hour drive that have a handful of new ones left for sale. I've done a lot of research lately and I think I prefer the Z9D over the newer models, OLED included. It's partially due to the 3D capability and partially due to the reviews and comparisons that I've seen. Once Oppo releases their Sony DV firmware update it seems the Z9D will have pretty much every current option or feature available. My only hesitation is that I'm spending the same amount of money for a 2016 TV as a newer 2018 TV. I don't see a downside other than that. Am I overthinking this? Is there any real reason to consider a newer model over what seems to be the best choice?
Yes you are overthinking this. There is no downside, are you missing anything that a 2018 has...........nope........everything was updated by firmware. No hardware updates needed........
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Question for you A&V enthusiasts. Is it best practice to set the source settings to "Auto" or the highest available video resolution?

For example, I have the following devices plugged into a receiver.

XBOX One- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)
PS4 Pro- Set to 1080p (I do not have a 4k tv yet *Z9d on the way* so the max resolution is 1080p)
Comcast Cable- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)
Nintendo Switch- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)

All of these devices have an "AUTO" setting under the video resolution. Should I set to "Auto" and let the receiver/tv dictate what resolution is best? Or should I set all of my devices to the maximum available video resolution and force the output?

Thanks in advance for your help!
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I let my tv do the heavy lifting.. imo it has the best video processing.
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Thank you. So you set all the video output settings for your devices to “AUTO” resolution?
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Question for you A&V enthusiasts. Is it best practice to set the source settings to "Auto" or the highest available video resolution?

For example, I have the following devices plugged into a receiver.

XBOX One- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)
PS4 Pro- Set to 1080p (I do not have a 4k tv yet *Z9d on the way* so the max resolution is 1080p)
Comcast Cable- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)
Nintendo Switch- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)

All of these devices have an "AUTO" setting under the video resolution. Should I set to "Auto" and let the receiver/tv dictate what resolution is best? Or should I set all of my devices to the maximum available video resolution and force the output?

Thanks in advance for your help!
Set to auto or max resolution available on Z9D. For the Pro, make sure you set it to 2160P RGB with HDMI mode enhanced checked on in the Z9D settings menu. Z9D has lower input lag at 4K - which should only matter for gaming devices.

So if you ever get a Xbox One S or X, make sure it outputs the highest resolution - 4K.

So yeah, either highest or auto should be a good rule of thumb. Sometimes auto is recommended for HDR devices, but the PS4 Pro handles this well even when 4K RGB is set, so you'll be fine.
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Question for you A&V enthusiasts. Is it best practice to set the source settings to "Auto" or the highest available video resolution?

For example, I have the following devices plugged into a receiver.

XBOX One- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)
PS4 Pro- Set to 1080p (I do not have a 4k tv yet *Z9d on the way* so the max resolution is 1080p)
Comcast Cable- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)
Nintendo Switch- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)

All of these devices have an "AUTO" setting under the video resolution. Should I set to "Auto" and let the receiver/tv dictate what resolution is best? Or should I set all of my devices to the maximum available video resolution and force the output?

Thanks in advance for your help!
Set to auto or max resolution available on Z9D. For the Pro, make sure you set it to 2160P RGB with HDMI mode enhanced checked on in the Z9D settings menu. Z9D has lower input lag at 4K - which should only matter for gaming devices.

So if you ever get a Xbox One S or X, make sure it outputs the highest resolution - 4K.

So yeah, either highest or auto should be a good rule of thumb. Sometimes auto is recommended for HDR devices, but the PS4 Pro handles this well even when 4K RGB is set, so you'll be fine.
Thank you! You all are very helpful. I should have my 75” Z9d in the next week or two. Cannot wait!
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Question for you A&V enthusiasts. Is it best practice to set the source settings to "Auto" or the highest available video resolution?

For example, I have the following devices plugged into a receiver.

XBOX One- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)
PS4 Pro- Set to 1080p (I do not have a 4k tv yet *Z9d on the way* so the max resolution is 1080p)
Comcast Cable- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)
Nintendo Switch- Set to 1080p (Max resolution available)

All of these devices have an "AUTO" setting under the video resolution. Should I set to "Auto" and let the receiver/tv dictate what resolution is best? Or should I set all of my devices to the maximum available video resolution and force the output?

Thanks in advance for your help!
Set to auto or max resolution available on Z9D. For the Pro, make sure you set it to 2160P RGB with HDMI mode enhanced checked on in the Z9D settings menu. Z9D has lower input lag at 4K - which should only matter for gaming devices.

So if you ever get a Xbox One S or X, make sure it outputs the highest resolution - 4K.

So yeah, either highest or auto should be a good rule of thumb. Sometimes auto is recommended for HDR devices, but the PS4 Pro handles this well even when 4K RGB is set, so you'll be fine.
Last question for a while. Do you set RGB range on the ps4/xbox/switch to Automatic, limited, or full? It says automatic is recommended.

I want to make sure I am optimizing all of my devices. Thanks!
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Set to auto or max resolution available on Z9D. For the Pro, make sure you set it to 2160P RGB with HDMI mode enhanced checked on in the Z9D settings menu. Z9D has lower input lag at 4K - which should only matter for gaming devices.

So if you ever get a Xbox One S or X, make sure it outputs the highest resolution - 4K.

So yeah, either highest or auto should be a good rule of thumb. Sometimes auto is recommended for HDR devices, but the PS4 Pro handles this well even when 4K RGB is set, so you'll be fine.
So you prefer the Xbox and ps4 to do the upscaling?
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https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-...-60-0601B.aspx

Added the Dolby Vision “Player-led processing” mode for compatibility with recent Sony Dolby Vision TVs and firmware updates.
Added the “Dolby Vision” mode under the HDR Setting menu, which allows the player to convert the output to Dolby Vision when possible.
Added the “Dolby Vision Processing” setting under the HDR Setting menu. This setting allows customers to choose whether Dolby Vision processing is handled mainly by the TV or the UDP-20x player.
Added MQA support via the USB DAC In for the UDP-205 players. (More info can be found in the “USB Audio DAC Firmware” section on the UDP-205 support page.)
Added the “Up-Sample DAC Input” setting under the Audio Processing menu for the UDP-205.
General fixes and disc compatibility improvements based on recent and upcoming UHD Blu-ray releases as well as user-submitted samples.
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I'm shocked that you are first to post a picture, Taxcheat. I'm loading the firmware now, fingers are officially crossed. I came real close to buying a X700 today while picking up Game of Thrones.

For jsherron99, if you want 3D, you better get the D pretty quick. The 2018 model will not have it.
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I'm shocked that you are first to post a picture, Taxcheat. I'm loading the firmware now, fingers are officially crossed. I came real close to buying a X700 today while picking up Game of Thrones.

For jsherron99, if you want 3D, you better get the D pretty quick. The 2018 model will not have it.
Posted a pic three days ago
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They are talking about the player that automatically switches the video signal based on the source material, not the one you have to manually change.
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It appears someone has figured a way to remux dual layer DV (UHD bluray) into a single layer file that plays in DV via USB or Oppo. Can verify that a sample m2ts file plays on a Z9D triggering the DV icon. Looks like DV, too, though the sample was low quality.
I think that is exactly the processing the new UBP-X700 firmware does!
Another interesting thing to note - those Profile 5 (dvhe.stn) streams, that the guy presented, do not contain any enhancement layer at all. Just base layer and reference picture units (BL+RPU).
I wonder, if Oppo sends both video streams directly over HDMI for the screen to bond them?
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I'm shocked that you are first to post a picture, Taxcheat. I'm loading the firmware now, fingers are officially crossed. I came real close to buying a X700 today while picking up Game of Thrones.

For jsherron99, if you want 3D, you better get the D pretty quick. The 2018 model will not have it.

… Very Nice and thank you for your Thread Post. Sooooooo … what movie did you watch, how did it look, and if you had watched this same movie in HDR 10 is there any significant difference that you saw from the two formats ? T.I.A.


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… Very Nice and thank you for your Thread Post. Sooooooo … what movie did you watch, how did it look, and if you had watched this same movie in HDR 10 is there any significant difference that you saw from the two formats ? T.I.A.
There's more discussion in the Oppo forum, but here's my take. It looks good, but not hugely different (at least not yet). I finished the Westworld S1 set in HDR10 last week. Popped in the DV version and skipped around a bit to get a taste. Not really a huge difference. That disc isn't a reference quality item, but right after I finished the HDR10 set, I started season two on 1080p SDR streaming. That's where you appreciate the difference... wow, SDR sucks. Sampled Dark Tower and watched all of Last Jedi.

I happen to live in an area with Dolby Cinemas everywhere, so I've seen a bunch of new DV movies exactly as they're supposed to look. Fast & Furious 8 in Dolby looks kinda drab. I haven't watched my disc copy yet, but if you're expecting to be wowed, you won't be. A Quiet Place is also pretty drab. Now, Guardians, Deadpool2, Infinity War, that's where you get the pizzaz. What I'm seeing so far is accurate, not amazing. I remember reading tons of complaints about Last Jedi being too dark -- it's not on the Z9D. It looks like it should, though I didn't see it in theaters. Everything about the image looks great.

I think I'll watch the awful, most recent Transformers movie next. That should push DV limits.
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Anyone able to get AVR OSD to work with either of the BD players supporting DV? I know most of the AVRs have been updated to allow OSD over DV via the "legacy" DV and pretty sure owners of ATV4K here have reported it works but in my case with my Marantz 8012 OSD does not work with either BD player (x700 or 203) sending a DV signal.


I will say that I prefer the DV set up on the 203 compared to the x700. I have the 203 in "full auto" mode and it selects DV or HDR10 appropriately each test I've thrown at it. Additionally, the USB ports are working for DV as well on the players. I have some LG DV demo files and they played in DV for the first time via the player's USB port.


Still need to decide what to do with the x700...it satisfies my streaming source for DV but will not work with dual output from my 8012 to the TV. My normal set up has the second HDMI output of the 8012 going to HDMI 2 of the Z9D and that input has HDR "off" to allow for use of my DirecTV C61K without "blanking" until that issue is fixed. However, the x700 doesn't like the dual outputs being active for some reason...I get no video passthrough. If I disconnect the HDMI 2 cable the x700 works fine so it is not an "elegant" streaming source for me as it stands right now (I have NO desire to use the TV's internal apps and for my own reasons I will not buy an ATV4K). I'm hoping for a new streamer (Roku, Shield, etc) that supports DV and ATMOS but in the mean time...trying to figure out if I'll keep the x700 (still in my return window).

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Oh and one more thing I noticed...the TV ignores the HDR "mode" selection (off, auto, HDR, HLG) when presented a DV signal...it presents DV even if HDR is set to "off". Found that out by accident.
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Auto Picture Mode - in Picture & Display > Picture Adjustments Settings

Does anyone know exactly how this feature works? I'm having trouble finding a credible/complete description online. I'm doing some troubleshooting and this info would help me.

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Do you know if backup UHD disc's played from folders still works through a USB drive as it has in the past after this firmware update? I forget the popup I used to get playing certain movie that would block the screen with a message, cydia or something like that.
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