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In the home menu I have an icon stating there is a software update. Clicking that it takes me to a description/warning page that also tells me how to get the update. Trouble is that when I go to update I am told the set is already up to date even though my set does not have Oreo or any of the features described. Are some people still waiting for this update to roll out?


Yes the past few pages are filled with people waiting.
I downloaded via usb for both of my Sonys.
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Yes the past few pages are filled with people waiting.
I downloaded via usb for both of my Sonys.
Thank you. Workin 7 days a week 10+ hours a day past couple months with no end in site. Forum browsing time is limited.

Have a link where I can download that update by chance? Thank you again.
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Thank you. Workin 7 days a week 10+ hours a day past couple months with no end in site. Forum browsing time is limited.

Have a link where I can download that update by chance? Thank you again.
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$75 for a extended warranty on a 75" TV, no offense I bet that doesn't cover anything, I dont believe in ST warranty's, A few buddy's used that on some amazon purchases, yup they got [email protected]$%ed HARD, but thankfully it wasn't a $5k TV, I bet they put you through hoops and when it comes down to it they leave you high and dry if something does happen.


I have used best buys extended warranty on so many occasion's (xbox elite controller, the rubber grips fail) happens about every 12 months on the dot, I have never had an issue with getting it fixed or completely replaced right there in store and made right, no way in hell would I buy an online extended warranty on a large purchase.
For sure offensive. I have personally made 2 claims through Square Trade and both went perfectly. Besides, you made a few false assumptions. I don't have the 5k 75" model and I didn't purchase the TV at Best Buy. $75 for a 2nd year of coverage is a no-brainer, regardless.

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Most major credit cards will double the manufacturer's warranty up to at least one year. So if the CC you used to buy the TV offers this coverage, the 2-year extended warranty you purchased will be completely redundant.

Additionally, it is my experience that the third-party warranty service used by the CC companies is more reliably customer-friendly than any service you might contract for on your own. It just stands to reason that they will be more accommodating since their performance reflects on the CC company, which is usually highly invested in your continued patronage.
I agree completely, but I don't use a CC for "man cave" purchases, though I should consider doing so for the exact reasons you detailed.
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$75 for a extended warranty on a 75" TV, no offense I bet that doesn't cover anything, I dont believe in ST warranty's, A few buddy's used that on some amazon purchases, yup they got [email protected]$%ed HARD, but thankfully it wasn't a $5k TV, I bet they put you through hoops and when it comes down to it they leave you high and dry if something does happen.


I have used best buys extended warranty on so many occasion's (xbox elite controller, the rubber grips fail) happens about every 12 months on the dot, I have never had an issue with getting it fixed or completely replaced right there in store and made right, no way in hell would I buy an online extended warranty on a large purchase.
Congratulations... So don't buy a SquareTrade warranty then. Spend more on a different warranty and keep your soapbox to yourself.
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Got my 75 Z9D up on the wall this weekend.

Loving It! Streamed a bunch of HDR and DolbyVision last night. In absolute awe with HDR/DV.

Watched some football today. Most excellent. Not missing the Kuro, but can still visit it in the guest room when its stand comes.

I want to thank all of the owners who participate in this thread, as your comments helped me choose this set.

Also, thank you schwok5, your settings spreadsheet really helped me dial it in quite quickly!

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Got my 75 Z9D up on the wall this weekend.

Loving It! Streamed a bunch of HDR and DolbyVision last night. In absolute awe with HDR/DV.

Watched some football today. Most excellent. Not missing the Kuro, but can still visit it in the guest room when its stand comes.

I want to thank all of the owners who participate in this thread, as your comments helped me choose this set.

Also, thank you schwok5, your settings spreadsheet really helped me dial it in quite quickly!

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Great to hear from a Kuro owner. Looking to do the same upgrade.... Just waiting for this display model to go on sale. Coming from the Kuro, are you happy with black levels and motion? Does the viewing angle bother you at all?
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So I took a look at Oppo 203 players on Amazon today. 1700 bucks for a blu ray player. Can someone please tell me how a blu ray player costs 1700 dollars? It plays blu rays, right? Does it also cook your dinner?
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Great to hear from a Kuro owner. Looking to do the same upgrade.... Just waiting for this display model to go on sale. Coming from the Kuro, are you happy with black levels and motion? Does the viewing angle bother you at all?
I think the "real" black level on the Z9D is actually better than the Kuro, The picture on the Z9D has as much 3 dimensionality as the Kuro. And it exhibits it in a well lit room.

My wife and I sit in directly in front of the TV. Side seats are for guests. There is a definite drop off in angle of view when compared to the Kuro (or even the Z9F for that matter). However, even at the extreme angle, the picture is watchable, it just not "wow".

One surprise. The Kuro is less reflective than the Z9D, but the brightness of the Z9D overcomes this.

Now for motion.

Out of the box, I had the crushing feeling that I had just made a huge mistake. The motion was stuttery enough to make me really distressed. In addition, even DolbyVision and HDR had massive soap opera effect.

However, with schwok5's spreadsheet, I was able to quickly improve each of the input types.

This solved most of the issues, but still a little too much motion stuttering for me. Once I took almost all of the motion control to off (except for sports mode). This solved both the motion and soap opera effect issues for me.

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The esteemed Sony motion is so fluid I'm actually having a hard time dialing it in. My brain and eyes are used to 5+ years of Samsung LED motion blur, so the superior processing will take a little time to get accustomed to. Had I come from a plasma TV as many here have, I think the transition would be easier. Does this make sense to anyone besides me?

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So I took a look at Oppo 203 players on Amazon today. 1700 bucks for a blu ray player. Can someone please tell me how a blu ray player costs 1700 dollars? It plays blu rays, right? Does it also cook your dinner?
Supply and demand. OPPOs are well respected (in addition to being a universal player and not just Blu-ray player) and no longer being made so folks are selling them at the highest prices they can get while the products are still relevant. Plenty of other options out there.

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Great to hear from a Kuro owner. Looking to do the same upgrade.... Just waiting for this display model to go on sale. Coming from the Kuro, are you happy with black levels and motion? Does the viewing angle bother you at all?
I think the "real" black level on the Z9D is actually better than the Kuro, The picture on the Z9D has as much 3 dimensionality as the Kuro. And it exhibits it in a well lit room.

My wife and I sit in directly in front of the TV. Side seats are for guests. There is a definite drop off in angle of view when compared to the Kuro (or even the Z9F for that matter). However, even at the extreme angle, the picture is watchable, it just not "wow".

One surprise. The Kuro is less reflective than the Z9D, but the brightness of the Z9D overcomes this.

Now for motion.

Out of the box, I had the crushing feeling that I had just made a huge mistake. The motion was stuttery enough to make me really distressed. In addition, even DolbyVision and HDR had massive soap opera effect.

However, with schwok5's spreadsheet, I was able to quickly improve each of the input types.

This solved most of the issues, but still a little too much motion stuttering for me. Once I took almost all of the motion control to off (except for sports mode). This solved both the motion and soap opera effect issues for me.

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Thanks for the feedback.

I tried looking at the Z9D from an angle in the shop and found it hard to notice a significant difference. Probably at home and in darker light conditions it would be more noticeable.

At the end of the day the viewing angle seems fine unless you move more than 30 degrees off centre. That is fine. My view is, if you are watching it at more than that angle, then you are not really watching the content seriously anyway....i.e you are just casually glancing at the content such as if you have news playing in the background for instance.

Of all the things it would be motion that would be the larger concern. But I think if I tweak the settings, it should be fine.

As I said from a previous post, I dug up the old specs of the Kuro from an old review and compared it to the data on rtings. Black level is extremely similar when local dimming is on (which it always would) but the brightness is multiples higher (Kuro peaked at less than 200nits).

Can't wait to snap this unit up. Was looking at the Z9F and was shocked at the elevated black levels and blooming with HDR content. Even though I am intending on using bias lighting, that would drive me nuts over time s it was easily noticeable in bright lighting.

It amazes me that Sony too so long to replace the Z9D and came up with a product with such inferior black level performance. This TV was released in 2016 and it is still the best LCD on the market. The Q9F had it's strong points but the black crush, poor color accuracy and lack of Dolby Vision still skew it to the D.
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So I took a look at Oppo 203 players on Amazon today. 1700 bucks for a blu ray player. Can someone please tell me how a blu ray player costs 1700 dollars? It plays blu rays, right? Does it also cook your dinner?
They stopped making them. When they were being made, they were 30% that cost (MSRP).

I have a pair of them on two systems and I love them.

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So I took a look at Oppo 203 players on Amazon today. 1700 bucks for a blu ray player. Can someone please tell me how a blu ray player costs 1700 dollars? It plays blu rays, right? Does it also cook your dinner?
Like any commodity, it's worth whatever someone will pay for it.

But anyone who is willing to buy it at that price will definitely want a couple of these AudioQuest Diamond HDMI cables to go along with it at a mere $1,500 each:

AudioQuest Diamond 2m (6.56 feet) Braided HDMI Cable
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Like any commodity, it's worth whatever someone will pay for it.

But anyone who is willing to buy it at that price will definitely want a couple of these AudioQuest Diamond HDMI cables to go along with it at a mere $1,500 each:

AudioQuest Diamond 2m (6.56 feet) Braided HDMI Cable
I hear the Belkin 2.1 is the best for HDR. Audioquest is overpriced. Monoprice works, but has its flaws with Apple TV 4k Dolby Vision.
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Catching up on some posts since i've been busy and spent WAY too much time trying to get some Atmos speakers up.
Forest Gump used the "box of chocolates" to analogize life's mystery. he should've used dry wall!

But I think RobKnapp hit it on the head a bit back.
Motion on the z9d isn't bad. But coming from a plasma, it just take some getting used to.
Different is not bad, and there are SO many options to play with that anyone can dial them in to their liking!

Also i saw some 3D comments and about it not working, i'm not sure if it was specifically related to Vudu, but if so, the native Vudu app does NOT support 3D. I have a few 3D titles and even tried buying one and it wouldn't let me because it said it's not supported.

For HDX and 3D i still use my Oppo103D because that supports Vudu 3D and HDX and under i can use the darbee.
4k i use the internal app.

Can i also mention that i've been busy playing the new Smash Bros?
It supports up to 8 players, and honestly some stages are so big and it zooms out so far to include all players and the action gets so small that i couldn't even imagine playing this on something smaller that 75 inches! This game is absolutely brilliant on this display!
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Like any commodity, it's worth whatever someone will pay for it.

But anyone who is willing to buy it at that price will definitely want a couple of these AudioQuest Diamond HDMI cables to go along with it at a mere $1,500 each:

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They stopped making, when they were being made, they were 30% that cost (MSRP).

I have a pair of them on two systems and I love them.
Read about OPPO here:https://hometheaterreview.com/prices...rs-are-insane/
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Right, that is precisely why I went to Menlo Park during my lunch break to pick up a second player, the day I learned they were shutting their doors on their AV division.
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Right, that is precisely why I went to Menlo Park during my lunch break to pick up a second player, the day I learned they were shutting their doors on their AV division.
So bummed that I didn't do the same thing. Was traveling bit too much about that time. Picked up my first on in Mountain View several years go (BPD 83...).

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Watched batman v superman last night. Not only was it better than I remembered it being when I saw in the theater, but it's one of the best looking movies I've watched on this TV. Absolutely stunning hdr
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So I took a look at Oppo 203 players on Amazon today. 1700 bucks for a blu ray player. Can someone please tell me how a blu ray player costs 1700 dollars? It plays blu rays, right? Does it also cook your dinner?
They are looking for someone who hits the buy button by mistake. They are out there.

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I have zero intention to go back to physical media again. The difference in quality over say an apple tv 4k HDR stream is there but we are splitting hairs quite frankly. But the convenience factor is off the charts with streaming.

I live in a country with super fast internet. I have 500mb/sec and could upgrade to 1gb/s. At least in theory, there is no reason why I wouldn't have sufficient bandwidth for higher bit rates than 4k HDR Blu Ray discs. I think streaming tech is only going to get better too.
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I have zero intention to go back to physical media again. The difference in quality over say an apple tv 4k HDR stream is there but we are splitting hairs quite frankly. But the convenience factor is off the charts with streaming.

I live in a country with super fast internet. I have 500mb/sec and could upgrade to 1gb/s. At least in theory, there is no reason why I wouldn't have sufficient bandwidth for higher bit rates than 4k HDR Blu Ray discs. I think streaming tech is only going to get better too.
4K streaming is quite nice and considering the bitrate it looks great.

That said, with a TV as nice as the Z9D, personally I find it to be a disservice to only send it bitrate starved streaming content. Then of course there is the added bonus of lossless audio.

Also comparing DV 4K discs are just as bright as the DV encodes on Vudu on the Z where the Apple TV is always a smidge darker.

Streaming is very convenient which is why it is nice to have my entire 4K BD collection digitally entitled as well.
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Another “coming from a Kuro owner” here, and loving my Z9D so far. While I will agree the black levels are excellent and extremely impressive for an LCD, I don’t think I’d say they are better than the Kuro. I do see a little bit of bleed into bars on HDR content with no ambient light. I am using 10Ks settings - is there anything I can do to calm that down slightly or is this as good as I will get in a completely dark room? With any ambient light at all the bars are nice and dark.

I also haven’t had any issues with motion so far. Maybe a tiny stutter every so often but if I wasn’t still hyper-sensitive to some degree with different content I would’ve never noticed it. I am pretty particular about my viewing experience as can be shown with how long I stuck with the Kuros, but overall I am extremely impressed and pleased.
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Another “coming from a Kuro owner” here, and loving my Z9D so far. While I will agree the black levels are excellent and extremely impressive for an LCD, I don’t think I’d say they are better than the Kuro. I do see a little bit of bleed into bars on HDR content with no ambient light. I am using 10Ks settings - is there anything I can do to calm that down slightly or is this as good as I will get in a completely dark room? With any ambient light at all the bars are nice and dark.

I also haven’t had any issues with motion so far. Maybe a tiny stutter every so often but if I wasn’t still hyper-sensitive to some degree with different content I would’ve never noticed it. I am pretty particular about my viewing experience as can be shown with how long I stuck with the Kuros, but overall I am extremely impressed and pleased.
My guess (as I haven't got it yet) is that with SDR the black level would be damn close. The light bleeding will be mostly over with HDR. In that sense it may not be a fair comparison as the Kuro doesn't do HDR. I say this because the Z9F as a case in point seems to do ok with SDR even though it has poorer contrast compared to the D.

All LCD displays are more prone to elevated black bar performance in HDR as the panel has to run on maximum brightness. The Z9D may be the best in that regard.....Q9F even better but with the chronic sacrifice of shadow detail.
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If only I could make a hybrid appleTV and sheild
Yup, basically in my two main rooms I use the Shield, ATV, and Oppos to cover all my bases.

That said, this latest Oreo update is pretty fantastic from my experience so I may pull the Shield out of the mix.
How much of a drop in overall quality and flexibility would my future setup of x box 1 x, Apple TV 4K and the Oreo update be vs not having an oppo for all my basis covered?

Is the x box 1 x a huge drop off in blue ray (Atmos, hdr etc) vs oppo on the 75Z9D??

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