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Haven’t loved a TV this much since my 65ZT60, I’m so happy I made this choice. Anyone interested, TV was purchased form BB, delivered yesterday Aug 2018 build date and it was made in Mexico. So far from what I can tell the set is basically flawless.
Welcome to the club. I've had mine for 13 wonderful days with no visible DSE, even in intricate, slow panning shots. Guess I won the panel lottery. Question for the pros: why is local dimming always recommended to be set at Medium, not High, even for HDR? Is it because of the potential for blooming?
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Welcome to the club. I've had mine for 13 wonderful days with no visible DSE, even in intricate, slow panning shots. Guess I won the panel lottery. Question for the pros: why is local dimming always recommended to be set at Medium, not High, even for HDR? Is it because of the potential for blooming?
Yea you’re a billion dollar powerball lottery winner because I have never seen a large LED not have some sort of DSE. Mine has DSE in torture tests on YouTube but it’s minimal and not anywhere near bothersome. Other then that my panel is pretty amazing.
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Yea you’re a billion dollar powerball lottery winner because I have never seen a large LED not have some sort of DSE. Mine has DSE in torture tests on YouTube but it’s minimal and not anywhere near bothersome. Other then that my panel is pretty amazing.
I don't do torture tests or slides. I'm quite sure my panel isn't perfect as that's impossible with current LED technology. If I can't see an issue in normal content I'm good. The Z9D is a great deal at current prices. The fact that Sony is still building them even after it's "replacement" is available is a testament to the breakthrough that the Backlight Master Drive was, and still is.
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Welcome to the club. I've had mine for 13 wonderful days with no visible DSE, even in intricate, slow panning shots. Guess I won the panel lottery. Question for the pros: why is local dimming always recommended to be set at Medium, not High, even for HDR? Is it because of the potential for blooming?
I've done a ton of testing with local dimming on Medium vs High and couldn't see any noticeable difference. I tried star fields, dark scenes, bright scenes, and mix. So I just left it at High.

If anything, it would prioritize dimming (less blooming) in the algorithm but it seems that you would need measurements to tell.
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Sony’s XBR-65Z9F LCD Ultra HDTV represents a significant improvement over its Z9D predecessor. While we no longer have a Z9D in-house (and the program material we had on hand two years ago for evaluating 4K/HDR was far more limited), the new model leaves no room for nostalgia about that 2016 design.
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Sony’s XBR-65Z9F LCD Ultra HDTV represents a significant improvement over its Z9D predecessor. While we no longer have a Z9D in-house (and the program material we had on hand two years ago for evaluating 4K/HDR was far more limited), the new model leaves no room for nostalgia about that 2016 design.
As we all know, one of the main criteria for picture quality is contrast ratio and correspondingly low black levels. It's also the main reason why OLED technology is even relevant. The X900F has a far better CR than the Z9F at half the cost. I observed the Z9F in a bright room and even then the elevated blacks and HDR blooming were obvious and distracting. Personally, I would not even consider it an option at "flagship" price.
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From time to time you see a pair of self defeating statements that make you laugh. This is one of those times...
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I just finally picked up the Z9D (Nov 2018 build date) and have been running through the settings and while I find that most recommended settings make the picture too dark to me, I'm having some difficulty in figuring out the settings for gaming with the xbox one x.

When I watch a 4k HDR movie with the one x, the tv is in Cinema Home. When I pop in a game like COD Black Ops 4, it stays in Cinema Home. I'm assuming it's because it's xbox "enhanced", but is there a way for the Z9D to switch settings to a game mode? That might be too much to ask and it might be an xbox setting, but I thought I'd ask.
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So I just updated to the newest update via USB after not updating since early summer and noticed now I have the infamous blanking issue and never had it before! I read on the release notes this update supposedly fixed that issue but apparently it gave it to me damnit
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I don't do torture tests or slides. I'm quite sure my panel isn't perfect as that's impossible with current LED technology. If I can't see an issue in normal content I'm good. The Z9D is a great deal at current prices. The fact that Sony is still building them even after it's "replacement" is available is a testament to the breakthrough that the Backlight Master Drive was, and still is.
That is a smart man right there. I would not put a TV thru a test it can not likely pass.
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Can someone tell me how to adjust the HDR and DV settings for the Vudu app post the Oreo update? I remembered someone posted it a short while after the update but I can't find it. Realized that whenever the picture settings menu pulls up it pauses the content and kicks the tv out of HDR/DV mode. Feel like the picture looks like crap after the update. Seems like it's related to all the standard "apps" settings. Not the Apps (video) settings.

Edit: Looks like Vudu is aware- https://forum.vudu.com/forum/technic...ny-z9f-a9f-z9d

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Cleveland Plasma makes zero sense....So because I hadn't updated since probably June or so AND that was because others had so many issues after updating with screen blanking, people like me are the reason that I'm now getting the issue (that I just updated with the 12/4 update)? That is incredibly dumb
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Cleveland Plasma makes zero sense....So because I hadn't updated since probably June or so AND that was because others had so many issues after updating with screen blanking, people like me are the reason that I'm now getting the issue (that I just updated with the 12/4 update)? That is incredibly dumb
I know you probably don't want to hear it, but it's most likely the HDMI cable.
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Can someone tell me how to adjust the HDR and DV settings for the Vudu app post the Oreo update? I remembered someone posted it a short while after the update but I can't find it. Realized that whenever the picture settings menu pulls up it pauses the content and kicks the tv out of HDR/DV mode. Feel like the picture looks like crap after the update. Seems like it's related to all the standard "apps" settings. Not the Apps (video) settings.

Edit: Looks like Vudu is aware- https://forum.vudu.com/forum/technic...ny-z9f-a9f-z9d
What I did for a workaround was put a DV and an HDR file on a thumb drive. Play the files with MX Player and do the settings there. Since VUDU and MX Player are both "Apps" Vs "Apps(video)", the settings stick for VUDU. Not a perfect workaround but all I could come up with.
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I just finally picked up the Z9D (Nov 2018 build date) and have been running through the settings and while I find that most recommended settings make the picture too dark to me, I'm having some difficulty in figuring out the settings for gaming with the xbox one x.



When I watch a 4k HDR movie with the one x, the tv is in Cinema Home. When I pop in a game like COD Black Ops 4, it stays in Cinema Home. I'm assuming it's because it's xbox "enhanced", but is there a way for the Z9D to switch settings to a game mode? That might be too much to ask and it might be an xbox setting, but I thought I'd ask.
Try the Auto/24p setting. It should put it in Game Mode automatically (it does for my PS4 Pro) but then switches to Cinema Home once it detects movie content. If it doesn't, it means the xbox is still kicking out a 60hz signal.

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I know you probably don't want to hear it, but it's most likely the HDMI cable.
I was thinking that as well. When I first unboxed the Z9D last weekend and used my existing high speed HDMI cables, I was getting a lot of errors stating that there was no input or blank screen, especially from the Apple TV 4k. When I used a cable that was confirmed to be 18Gbps, everything worked fine. After that, I realized that my older cables were only 10Gbps and worked on my older 4k tv without HDR.
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Can someone tell me how to adjust the HDR and DV settings for the Vudu app post the Oreo update? I remembered someone posted it a short while after the update but I can't find it. Realized that whenever the picture settings menu pulls up it pauses the content and kicks the tv out of HDR/DV mode. Feel like the picture looks like crap after the update. Seems like it's related to all the standard "apps" settings. Not the Apps (video) settings.

Edit: Looks like Vudu is aware- https://forum.vudu.com/forum/technic...ny-z9f-a9f-z9d
What I did for a workaround was put a DV and an HDR file on a thumb drive. Play the files with MX Player and do the settings there. Since VUDU and MX Player are both "Apps" Vs "Apps(video)", the settings stick for VUDU. Not a perfect workaround but all I could come up with.
Ok thanks man

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Haven’t loved a TV this much since my 65ZT60, I’m so happy I made this choice. Anyone interested, TV was purchased form BB, delivered yesterday Aug 2018 build date and it was made in Mexico. So far from what I can tell the set is basically flawless.
That's high praise. I sold my ZT60 to grab a 65 inch Oled, but there are days I miss that beautiful natural image of the ZT. We have three oleds in house, but I am contemplating selling my 55E6 to grab a 65Z9D via best buy before they are gone. I didn't even know they were still being sold until a few days ago. The current price is very tempting. We have a little one on the way so I'm moving my game room in the basement and I think a 65 inch would be more appropriate for the viewing area than my current 55 inch. I've never been a big LED person, but I always thought the Z9 was something special but well out of my price range at the time!!
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I just finally picked up the Z9D (Nov 2018 build date) and have been running through the settings and while I find that most recommended settings make the picture too dark to me, I'm having some difficulty in figuring out the settings for gaming with the xbox one x.

When I watch a 4k HDR movie with the one x, the tv is in Cinema Home. When I pop in a game like COD Black Ops 4, it stays in Cinema Home. I'm assuming it's because it's xbox "enhanced", but is there a way for the Z9D to switch settings to a game mode? That might be too much to ask and it might be an xbox setting, but I thought I'd ask.

Turn off light sensor, look for @10k settings for SDR & HDR.

you should NOT be playing games on X1X on Cinema home or pro, picture is going to be dark and HUGE LAG!!! From the TV UI, you have to select game mode via remote.

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That's high praise. I sold my ZT60 to grab a 65 inch Oled, but there are days I miss that beautiful natural image of the ZT. We have three oleds in house, but I am contemplating selling my 55E6 to grab a 65Z9D via best buy before they are gone. I didn't even know they were still being sold until a few days ago. The current price is very tempting. We have a little one on the way so I'm moving my game room in the basement and I think a 65 inch would be more appropriate for the viewing area than my current 55 inch. I've never been a big LED person, but I always thought the Z9 was something special but well out of my price range at the time!!

Run, don't walk!

I thought the original MSRP was highly inflated, but at the current prices it's a true bargain for any discriminating viewer who won't settle for less than the best.

Talk about going from the ridiculous to the sublime . . .
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Was thinking long and hard about the F but decided on the D (arriving on the 29th).

To me if you list the pros and cons of each set the F has more pros. BUT, not all pros are created equal. The biggest weakness of the F is the D's biggest strength. Contrast is the most important driver of picture performance and that is where the F fails.

I have seen the F in 2 different circumstances - both in showrooms. When I saw it playing SDR, I thought it looked pretty good. In HDR the bars lit up by a LOT and it was easily noticeable in a bright showroom. I was shocked and then the subtitles came on in a darkish scene in HDR and oh my God the blooming was incredible. It's such a shame. That would irritate me especially when paying for a premium set.

In summary the F is better in every area other than the area that really counts. The D excels in that area and holds it's own in the areas that matter less.
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I just bought mine from BB also. And very happy. My last TV was a sony 65 900c which I still have. Big discount at BB also a few years back. I had a price point of 1500.00 and went to 2000.00 to get the Z9D 65 because I thought it was going to deliver a good picture for the price point. I looked around but no z9D were available to preview but purchased anyway. I'm happy.
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Have you watched any sports on the Z9?
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Have you watched any sports on the Z9?
Sports look great on the 75. I am highly sensitive to motion blur and on the 75 there is none whatsoever. Not like the 940e, that set was bad.
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Turn off light sensor, look for @10k settings for SDR & HDR.

you should NOT be playing games on X1X on Cinema home or pro, picture is going to be dark and HUGE LAG!!! From the TV UI, you have to select game mode via remote.
Yeah, I will be switching over to game mode manually, although I'm thinking of creating a new macro/command using my Harmony Ultimate to switch display settings automatically. Also, are there any recommended settings for the Game preset? The games I usually play are enhanced for the one x so I'm not sure if that matters or not.

One more question I have is why wouldn't I choose Auto for Auto Picture Mode? If I have all the modes like Standard, Cinema Home and Pro configured (I don't), why wouldn't I let the TV then pick from one of the calibrated settings? I get why the Light Sensor should be disabled, but not sure about the other. Again, many thanks for your advice!
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Haven’t loved a TV this much since my 65ZT60, I’m so happy I made this choice. Anyone interested, TV was purchased form BB, delivered yesterday Aug 2018 build date and it was made in Mexico. So far from what I can tell the set is basically flawless.
You did win, I just got the 65Z9D yesterday from BB (Sept 2018) and it has numerous dirt/pixel spots (some small some large) all over the screen. Saw an early post back in Oct with similar spots but mine has them everywhere and many can be seen sitting 10-12 ft away on solid colors. Sad because there is no DSE or clouding. I was nervous and hoping for the best but I’ve never seen such a bad panel. Never returned a TV. Trying to decide if I try again...or just keep my old HX909 (great 1080P) or try a Z9F....

PS: I was worried about slow pixel response but decided to order the 65Z9D anyway to see for myself due to conflicting reports...and while testing I have NOT seen any smearing.

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Yeah, I will be switching over to game mode manually, although I'm thinking of creating a new macro/command using my Harmony Ultimate to switch display settings automatically. Also, are there any recommended settings for the Game preset? The games I usually play are enhanced for the one x so I'm not sure if that matters or not.

One more question I have is why wouldn't I choose Auto for Auto Picture Mode? If I have all the modes like Standard, Cinema Home and Pro configured (I don't), why wouldn't I let the TV then pick from one of the calibrated settings? I get why the Light Sensor should be disabled, but not sure about the other. Again, many thanks for your advice!
Auto picture mode switches to Cinema Pro when it detects a 24p signal. Depending on room lighting and how you have Cinema Pro configured you may not always want to go to Cinema Pro when watching a movie...
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Have you watched any sports on the Z9?
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Sports look great on the 75. I am highly sensitive to motion blur and on the 75 there is none whatsoever. Not like the 940e, that set was bad.
I agree with this statement, I owned an 75x940e from last year and it got returned because of some issues with the panel, but while I had it, the motion was pretty bad.
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