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post #19141 of 21937 Old 12-20-2018, 03:05 PM
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That's high praise. I sold my ZT60 to grab a 65 inch Oled, but there are days I miss that beautiful natural image of the ZT. We have three oleds in house, but I am contemplating selling my 55E6 to grab a 65Z9D via best buy before they are gone. I didn't even know they were still being sold until a few days ago. The current price is very tempting. We have a little one on the way so I'm moving my game room in the basement and I think a 65 inch would be more appropriate for the viewing area than my current 55 inch. I've never been a big LED person, but I always thought the Z9 was something special but well out of my price range at the time!!
In my opinion the 75z9d (can’t speak to the 65 as I hear there are differences) is something special. I’ve owned a lot of tvs. From plasma, to multiple b/c7 and a1e OLEDs and even a couple of leds namely the ks8000 and x940e.

IMO none of them compare the this 75Z9D, size, black levels, processing, 3D (at 75inches) and peak brightness. It has it all, yes there are some shortcomings, slight DSE, viewing angles and blacks aren’t perfect like OLED but the package as a whole is much better then anything else I’ve ever owned.

To me this is the “Pioneer Elite” of LED tvs.
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In my opinion the 75z9d (can’t speak to the 65 as I hear there are differences) is something special. I’ve owned a lot of tvs. From plasma, to multiple b/c7 and a1e OLEDs and even a couple of leds namely the ks8000 and x940e.

IMO none of them compare the this 75Z9D, size, black levels, processing, 3D (at 75inches) and peak brightness. It has it all, yes there are some shortcomings, slight DSE, viewing angles and blacks aren’t perfect like OLED but the package as a whole is much better then anything else I’ve ever owned.

To me this is the “Pioneer Elite” of LED tvs.
I entirely agree with your perspective.

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Here, in it's new role, I will attempt to passively educate our guests on the excellence of proper calibration in a light controlled room.

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You did win, I just got the 65Z9D yesterday from BB (Sept 2018) and it has numerous dirt/pixel spots (some small some large) all over the screen. Saw an early post back in Oct with similar spots but mine has them everywhere and many can be seen sitting 10-12 ft away on solid colors. Sad because there is no DSE or clouding. I was nervous and hoping for the best but I’ve never seen such a bad panel. Never returned a TV. Trying to decide if I try again...or just keep my old HX909 (great 1080P) or try a Z9F....

PS: I was worried about slow pixel response but decided to order the 65Z9D anyway to see for myself due to conflicting reports...and while testing I have NOT seen any smearing.

Definitely get a replacement. Don't give up on this tv, it is definitely worth it. My 65Z9D is the best tv I have ever owned. BB is normally pretty good about returns. Talk to them and see what they say.


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You 75 inch owners are punks! I am mighty tempted to go ahead and grab the 75 inch as last I looked Magnolia has got them again in my area. It is just a tough battle to wage with the SO that spending $2500 more for a 10 inch upgrade of the same model makes sense after just replacing the panels on my Ascent i's, Stage, and Vantages in my HT. Thanks to ML now charging waaaay more for replacement panels, I could have easily done the 75Z9D otherwise, but I am an Audiodork....

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Improving picture

I thought I'd share a couple of observations that may help others.

1. Last evening, I temporarily installed an HDTV antenna in our living room.

Without question - in the SF Bay Area / Silicon Valley - Over the Air (OTA) TV is superior to Comcast X1 service. (I know - low bar - so, I may look at moving over to Direct TV and using OTA with DTV).

2. This afternoon, I plugged the Z9D into a Richard Gray Power Company RGPC 400 line purifier.

This immediately improved both the Comcast and the OTA picture - a lot less noise. I have a larger one on order for the AVR/Amps/etc., and I'll be curious to see what, if any effect is has on sound and other picture quality (like blu ray and external streamers).

I think with these two things (OTA & Power Conditioning) everyone's mileage may very, depending on source and circumstance. However, they both improved my experience instantly and noticeably.

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Has anyone watched Roma on Netflix and noticed instances throughout the movie of the image changing shade/getting a little more colorized and then flashing back to normal? One obvious instance is at 1:17:45, you can easily tell on the right hand side where people are playing in a field. This is in Dolby Vision with the Z9D Netflix app, it doesn't happen in SDR. I want to make sure this is just another case of some shoddy Dolby Vision grading and not something else going on.
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Has anyone watched Roma on Netflix and noticed instances throughout the movie of the image changing shade/getting a little more colorized and then flashing back to normal? One obvious instance is at 1:17:45, you can easily tell on the right hand side where people are playing in a field. This is in Dolby Vision with the Z9D Netflix app, it doesn't happen in SDR. I want to make sure this is just another case of some shoddy Dolby Vision grading and not something else going on.
I tested for you @bytor via the Z9D internal and external Netflix app . Roma at the time stamp of 1:17:45 the
DV shade absolutely shifts black and white color palettete .
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I tested for you @bytor via the Z9D internal and external Netflix app . Roma at the time stamp of 1:17:45 the
DV shade absolutely shifts black and white color palettete .
Thanks for confirming Rob, it's unfortunate it does that with such a great film. I wonder who I could contact to get it fixed, Alfonso Cuaron would definitely not approve of these glitches.
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I am considering getting the 75" version of this TV since the price has been considerably reduced due to the new Z9F model that came out. The newer model doesn't do 3D which is a bit of a negative. I know the newer model has supposedly a better processor, better wider angle viewing and something called Netflix calibrated but a fair bit more expensive. I would appreciate Anyone who can share there thoughts on my dilemma on why I should go with one over the other, or if there's an important feature I would be missing out on if I went with the Z9D.
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I am considering getting the 75" version of this TV since the price has been considerably reduced due to the new Z9F model that came out. The newer model doesn't do 3D which is a bit of a negative. I know the newer model has supposedly a better processor, better wider angle viewing and something called Netflix calibrated but a fair bit more expensive. I would appreciate Anyone who can share there thoughts on my dilemma on why I should go with one over the other, or if there's an important feature I would be missing out on if I went with the Z9D.
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Someone once mentioned in another thread that that contrast/black levels is like a canvas. Images just pop alot more with deeper blacks. Moreover, the z9f was not made as a home theater display(for dark rooms), it was made as a flagship option for daytime/bright room environments. The z9d was made to compete with Oled when it was first released in 2016, as Sony hadn't made a deal with LG at that point. The A1e didn't come out till CES 2017. Therefore, the z9d's black levels are superior. The z9f is a good tv, but it's the first flagship in a long time that has very weak contrast as opposed to most flagship sets. If you want more info on this there's always the Z9d vs Z9f thread, but be careful with the z9f defenders.. You may hurt their feelings if you question one thing about the z9f. Haha. Good luck.
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I am considering getting the 75" version of this TV since the price has been considerably reduced due to the new Z9F model that came out. The newer model doesn't do 3D which is a bit of a negative. I know the newer model has supposedly a better processor, better wider angle viewing and something called Netflix calibrated but a fair bit more expensive. I would appreciate Anyone who can share there thoughts on my dilemma on why I should go with one over the other, or if there's an important feature I would be missing out on if I went with the Z9D.
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Hopefully, you will get some individual opinions/responses regarding your above question. I believe that other than 3D, the Z9D's main advantage over the Z9F is contrast (considered by many to be the prime ingredient of an outstanding picture).

However, for a broader perspective, I would recommend skimming the prior 8 or so pages of this thread. There are numerous facts and opinions regarding the Z9D vs the Z9F.

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I am considering getting the 75" version of this TV since the price has been considerably reduced due to the new Z9F model that came out. The newer model doesn't do 3D which is a bit of a negative. I know the newer model has supposedly a better processor, better wider angle viewing and something called Netflix calibrated but a fair bit more expensive. I would appreciate Anyone who can share there thoughts on my dilemma on why I should go with one over the other, or if there's an important feature I would be missing out on if I went with the Z9D.
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Not to sound overly critical, but the blooming on the z9f is really bad. Especially in HDR. Blacks look washed out. The motion would probably be a little better, although on the 75 the motion is already really good. It also gets a bit brighter, but the z9d is so bright I don't know if brighter is better...

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Definitely get a replacement. Don't give up on this tv, it is definitely worth it. My 65Z9D is the best tv I have ever owned. BB is normally pretty good about returns. Talk to them and see what they say.


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You did win, I just got the 65Z9D yesterday from BB (Sept 2018) and it has numerous dirt/pixel spots (some small some large) all over the screen. Saw an early post back in Oct with similar spots but mine has them everywhere and many can be seen sitting 10-12 ft away on solid colors. Sad because there is no DSE or clouding. I was nervous and hoping for the best but I’ve never seen such a bad panel. Never returned a TV. Trying to decide if I try again...or just keep my old HX909 (great 1080P) or try a Z9F....

PS: I was worried about slow pixel response but decided to order the 65Z9D anyway to see for myself due to conflicting reports...and while testing I have NOT seen any smearing.
I will one up that. This set is such a steal even if best buy could not swap it I would call Sony and have then do it. Use your set for now, your patience will allow you to have the best led ever made for a steal of a price.
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I will one up that. This set is such a steal even if best buy could not swap it I would call Sony and have then do it. Use your set for now, your patience will allow you to have the best led ever made for a steal of a price.
Thanks for the advise, returned without any problems (BB was great) and I did ordered another...just have to wait a week.... While a pain to go through the unpacking/setup/repacking everyone who knows TV tech says it is worth trying another so I’ll give luck a chance!
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Thanks for the advise, returned without any problems (BB was great) and I did ordered another...just have to wait a week.... While a pain to go through the unpacking/setup/repacking everyone who knows TV tech says it is worth trying another so I’ll give luck a chance!
I can confirm. I had to swap out a 75 in that was already wall mounted. Major pain in the arse. But very much worth it.

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May be beneficial to new owners, but for people that have been swapping TVs what are the items that were make or break for you to go through the process? can you provide screenshots for others to compare to?

I know some are doing stress tests and even though not visible during normal conditions wanting to exchange given the price paid, or even a few dead pixels you can't see from seating distance.

But would be good to collate issues seen for actual viewing material for folks to take a look at theirs and say "hmmm...maybe this could've been better and others have swapped TVs and successfully remedied it...."

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Thanks for the advise, returned without any problems (BB was great) and I did ordered another...just have to wait a week.... While a pain to go through the unpacking/setup/repacking everyone who knows TV tech says it is worth trying another so I’ll give luck a chance!
I had to do the same thing. My first set had several dirt specs under the screen. Magnolia replaced it with no issues. The new one I've had for a month just has one dirt spec under the screen that is hard to see. I'm not risking getting a worse one. This one does have slightly more DSE but it seems to be getting better over time. Very hard to see now.

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May be beneficial to new owners, but for people that have been swapping TVs what are the items that were make or break for you to go through the process? can you provide screenshots for others to compare to?

I know some are doing stress tests and even though not visible during normal conditions wanting to exchange given the price paid, or even a few dead pixels you can't see from seating distance.

But would be good to collate issues seen for actual viewing material for folks to take a look at theirs and say "hmmm...maybe this could've been better and others have swapped TVs and successfully remedied it...."
Don't have pictures, but mine had a thick vertical band that could be seen in a lot of content. I wouldn't be worried about what shows up in stress tests. Watch a few movies, tv shows, and if you game then game a little bit and see how you like it. If you don't see it in regular use but have to go looking for it, I wouldn't worry about it.

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Has anyone watched Roma on Netflix and noticed instances throughout the movie of the image changing shade/getting a little more colorized and then flashing back to normal? One obvious instance is at 1:17:45, you can easily tell on the right hand side where people are playing in a field. This is in Dolby Vision with the Z9D Netflix app, it doesn't happen in SDR. I want to make sure this is just another case of some shoddy Dolby Vision grading and not something else going on.
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Watched Fury Road in 3D last night, just a mesmerizing title as displayed by the Z9D. Was never a big fan of 3D but it’s such a cool option to have especially for titles that have either been shot natively or converted at a high level of quality.

I’ve posted so many times about never wanting to sell my Kuros, but i am extremely close to at least trying to move one of them and keep my second Z9D.
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Anyone here with a 65 and a 75 inch? About ready to order the 75 and need to know if it can fit on the same VESA compliant wall-mount as my Sony 65Z9D. Holes on both tv's line up the same?

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Anyone here with a 65 and a 75 inch? About ready to order the 75 and need to know if it can fit on the same VESA compliant wall-mount as my Sony 65Z9D. Holes on both tv's line up the same?
You don’t need someone to have both, just need to look at their site. They’re the same dimensions.

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You don’t need someone to have both, just need to look at their site. They’re the same dimensions.

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Thanks, Should be good to go now!

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Thanks, Should be good to go now!
No problem! Most mounts support a range of dimensions. My current mount that has my 75" on it started with a 65" plasma back in the day, then had a 78" Samsung, now it has the Z on it.
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That's high praise. I sold my ZT60 to grab a 65 inch Oled, but there are days I miss that beautiful natural image of the ZT. We have three oleds in house, but I am contemplating selling my 55E6 to grab a 65Z9D via best buy before they are gone. I didn't even know they were still being sold until a few days ago. The current price is very tempting. We have a little one on the way so I'm moving my game room in the basement and I think a 65 inch would be more appropriate for the viewing area than my current 55 inch. I've never been a big LED person, but I always thought the Z9 was something special but well out of my price range at the time!!
This says it all pretty well. The Z9D is the first LCD TV I have come across that is on the level of the ZT60. I love my ZT and after recently using for a month in the HT, all I could think and repeatedly say was what the hell was I thinking replacing it with a 75900E?

While the 900E was decent, it was always lacking. The Samsung 75NU8000 was honestly misery to watch which brought me to the ZD9. OLED's honestly spook me at this point. I have serious questions about lifespan while bothered less about IR as best practices are pretty much identical to PDP life. That said, I am shocked after what IR/burn in did to PDP acceptance for it to have been an issue for the successor.

While the measured differences between my 900E are seemingly slight, something makes these things special. The lack of blooming is huge and the dichotomy of simultaneous good blacks and scorching whites might be its best party trick. And I think I just talked myself into the 75...
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Well, I just ordered my second Z9D from the Military Exchange with an extra 10% off for a nice healthy (finally) reduction.
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You 75 inch owners are punks! I am mighty tempted to go ahead and grab the 75 inch as last I looked Magnolia has got them again in my area. It is just a tough battle to wage with the SO that spending $2500 more for a 10 inch upgrade of the same model makes sense after just replacing the panels on my Ascent i's, Stage, and Vantages in my HT. Thanks to ML now charging waaaay more for replacement panels, I could have easily done the 75Z9D otherwise, but I am an Audiodork....
Might make it a bit easier if you tell SO that it's actually 33% bigger -> 1522.23 inches² VS 2026.64 inches².
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Might make it a bit easier if you tell SO that it's actually 33% bigger -> 1522.23 inches² VS 2026.64 inches².
Maybe. She did not much dig the replacement panels in the abstract, but the difference in sound is pretty crazy so much more simpatico. For some reason I thought it was 29% so I dig it being actually 33%. Just had a 75 inch in here and going back to 65 inch has been fine aided immensely by a sub 7 foot seating distance.
I am so bloody impressed by the 65 that I doubt I will find anything comparable for the current price.

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I’ve skimmed through as many pages in this post as I can, I’ve used 10ks setting with slight adjustment to brightness and they’ve been great. But I haven’t found egitimate Dolby vision settings, right now I’m just leaving them default with expert and 10ks color adjustments. Anyone have a good link to Dolby vision settings?
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I’ve skimmed through as many pages in this post as I can, I’ve used 10ks setting with slight adjustment to brightness and they’ve been great. But I haven’t found egitimate Dolby vision settings, right now I’m just leaving them default with expert and 10ks color adjustments. Anyone have a good link to Dolby vision settings?
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