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post #21541 of 22533 Old 07-05-2019, 11:00 PM
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Ah ok. I see now. I guess the lower bitrate isn't as big of a deal as the Nakamichi website makes it out to be.

https://www.nakamichi-usa.com/best-dolby-atmos
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Mixed bag of information and misinformation.

After looking at it some more, the point they are trying to make is dont put your high bandwidth disc players in the TV ports since ARC cant handle that. For streaming services, it doesnt matter. That doesnt make ARC a universally "poor" method. Poor for a BD/UHD player but not for streaming services. Im happy to see streaming services paying more attention to audio quality. Netflix increasing the audio BW and adding ATMOS was a nice step. Now if they would just support more devices.....
sjm817 put is far more eloquently than I would have but I had to laugh that you were linking an "Atmos" soundbar as a reference. The three main services they list on that link you provided are all lossy E-AC-3 providers.

With a soundbar attempting to reproduce "Atmos" you have far bigger issues than a lossy vs. lossless version of the audio.
You might be surprised if your heard it... I've heard plenty of full home theater setups and this keeps up surprisingly well.

Not everyone can do a room full of speakers. 3 small kids...

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You might be surprised if your heard it... I've heard plenty of full home theater setups and this keeps up surprisingly well.

Not everyone can do a room full of speakers. 3 small kids...
I am sure it sounds great for what it is and you do what you gotta do.

My main point was that all streaming services use DD+ Atmos.

Very few people are looking to play lossless TrueHD disc backups through their TV back down via ARC.
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The ZD juspt received a minor firmware update: Firmware update to v6.6520
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How is stranger things season 3? Worth the Dolby vision and atmos to figure out the built in app or just use my shield for hdr10?
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The DV looks great (although ep 8 was noticeably darker than 1-7).

The show is 5.1, no Atmos.

I watched all of season one so far and it was 4K but no HDR than I started watching the first episode of season 2 and It was in Dolby Vision HDR. I did see a noticeable difference with the picture to me looking better when it comes to the vibrancy of the colors.

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Netflix does not support it. The Z9D does support Atmos. You can install Kodi, and the Netflix addon for Kodi to get Atmos support. You will lose DV but will have HDR10.
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Thanks for the tip. Installed Kodi (ver 19) and netflix addon to Kodi. I get HDR, but no dolby atmos. I tired Lost in the Space, Iron fist, and few dolby atmos netflix, but can not see any atmos coming from my AVR. TV connect to ARC to ARC of the AVR, AVR supports Dol y atmos.
Is there any other changes to do on Kodi? I did enable bistream output on Kodi, TV's sound out is DD+ on.

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Thanks for the tip. Installed Kodi (ver 19) and netflix addon to Kodi. I get HDR, but no dolby atmos. I tired Lost in the Space, Iron fist, and few dolby atmos netflix, but can not see any atmos coming from my AVR. TV connect to ARC to ARC of the AVR, AVR supports Dol y atmos.
Is there any other changes to do on Kodi? I did enable bistream output on Kodi, TV's sound out is DD+ on.

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Did you enable the inputstream addon? Im on Kodi 18.3 so dont know if 19 is any sort of issue. I only use Kodi for the Netflix addon.

https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=329767

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Did you enable the inputstream addon? Im on Kodi 18.3 so dont know if 19 is any sort of issue. I only use Kodi for the Netflix addon.

https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=329767
Thanks . Give it a try. I think yesterday when I download Kodi I got the version name LIEA or some thing like that and version is 19 something. Sorry I am not used to use Kodi too, and looking see how Dolby atmos working with Kodi. Also this version of Kodi has the option of enabling HDR and Dolby vision HDR too.
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The intro to S3 of Stranger Things (even without Atmos) but using the Marantz Dolby Surround feature for pseudo atmos was DEMO WORTHY in my opinion.

It's a shame they do not update for Atmos (same with Amazon) as VuDu has pulled ahead of all other apps in providing the most up to date formats for streaming and proves the TV is certainly capable.
The DV of Stranger Things is very nice as well, my only complain is it sometimes looks like it' using the fake "film grain" like some of the Netflix marvel shows and could be a lot clearer, but given the 80s looks the show is going for i'm ok with it.

I'm only 2 episodes in and can't wait to finish it!

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Thanks for the tip. Installed Kodi (ver 19) and netflix addon to Kodi. I get HDR, but no dolby atmos. I tired Lost in the Space, Iron fist, and few dolby atmos netflix, but can not see any atmos coming from my AVR. TV connect to ARC to ARC of the AVR, AVR supports Dol y atmos.
Is there any other changes to do on Kodi? I did enable bistream output on Kodi, TV's sound out is DD+ on.

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Not home at this time, but did you go into advanced settings, in the system setting tab. You need to enable passthrough for audio, and check all the audio formats that your receiver can handle.
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Yesterday I got notified of the new firmware update and I did it. This was the first time I did an update where after the update was completed you had to check or not check the boxes of three different things. I said no to two out of the three but said yes regarding the Smart TV part. Should I have said no to all three or should I have said yes to any of the other two?

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Yesterday I got notified of the new firmware update and I did it. This was the first time I did an update where after the update was completed you had to check or not check the boxes of three different things. I said no to two out of the three but said yes regarding the Smart TV part. Should I have said no to all three or should I have said yes to any of the other two?
I declined all three opt-ins, but that's a personal choice. It's entirely up to you.

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Sony ZD9 worth it in 2019?

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I have the possibility to buy a brand new unit (65 inch) for a bargain at a retail store. Since this model is 3 year old already I am in doubt to pull the trigger. At the moment I have a LG OLED B6 model.

What I am looking for is maximum HDR impact with Dolby Vision and HDR10 content. On the B6 it looks good, but I know HDR can be more impactful. What worries me is giving up the black level if I choose for the ZD9. Also I’ve read that DV content on this tv looks dim compared to the B6. So how much nits are we talking about exactly?

For content I only watch Netflix (DV) and UHD Blu-ray Discs. I also have a PS4 Pro with FIFA 19 and Red Dead Redemption.

Other choices would be a LG C9, but the picture quality doesn’t look that much better than my current B6.

Hoping to get some advise before I decide.

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IMHO: still absolutely worth it over any current TV. I own two Z9Ds and I still don't feel the need to upgrade, not even to the Z9G (due to the fact the Z9D has the better BMD implementation).

The Z9D is a classic TV by now, over engineered and one of a kind, it's also the last (Sony) 3D TV made and still the best at what it does. It's the Kuro of LCD...

I currently don't use DV myself since I am not convinced it makes a huge difference on the Z9D when compared to regular HDR10 (with a few exceptions like The Meg and some encoding issues on certain titles when played in HDR10). FWIWI: I haven't compared it with the B6, but judging from what I did see in DV on the Z9D, it doesn't look dim to me at all. As for black level, it won't reach OLED black levels but it is probably the closest you can get with an LCD...
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All,

I have the possibility to buy a brand new unit (65 inch) for a bargain at a retail store. Since this model is 3 year old already I am in doubt to pull the trigger. At the moment I have a LG OLED B6 model.

What I am looking for is maximum HDR impact with Dolby Vision and HDR10 content. On the B6 it looks good, but I know HDR can be more impactful. What worries me is giving up the black level if I choose for the ZD9. Also I’ve read that DV content on this tv looks dim compared to the B6. So how much nits are we talking about exactly?

For content I only watch Netflix (DV) and UHD Blu-ray Discs. I also have a PS4 Pro with FIFA 19 and Red Dead Redemption.

Other choices would be a LG C9, but the picture quality doesn’t look that much better than my current B6.

Hoping to get some advise before I decide.
Amazing that there are still a few brand new ones still out there! I think I can shed a bit of insight on this TV and how it compares to an OLED. I own both a 65” Z9D and an LG 55” C6 (have in different bedrooms). Initially I wasn’t expecting the Sony Z9D to hold a candle to the LG C6, but boy was I wrong! Yes, the C6 does have perfect blacks, but I was surprised to see just how black the Z9D gets. I mean IMHO it gets so close to OLED blacks that once you factor in the stellar HDR this TV delivers, I would say overall the Z9D is the superior TV.

I still use (and love) my C6, but I actually find myself watching the Z9D more often than the C6 due to just how amazing the HDR is on this TV! If HDR impact is what you’re after (along with excellent black levels) this TV delivers in spades! The Z9D is without a doubt the best looking TV I own period! I also own the Sony 940E, so I have some top TVs in the house. When it comes to HDR, the Z9D is in a league all it’s own. I can’t remember right off the exact nits, but I believe it’s around 1,800, so it gets plenty bright!

Now I can’t comment on the DV capabilities as I have never updated the firmware since I purchased the TV a year ago. But with HDR10 content, be it Netflix or 4K Blu-ray, the images this TV produces is simply jaw dropping. I really cannot brag enough on this TV. I just wish that Sony had made an 85” version of the Z9D, as that would have been my dream TV for my main theater room.

Ultimately the decision is yours, but I know I am extremely happy and a very proud owner of what has to be the finest LCD TV made to date.

Hope this helps.
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All,

I have the possibility to buy a brand new unit (65 inch) for a bargain at a retail store. Since this model is 3 year old already I am in doubt to pull the trigger. At the moment I have a LG OLED B6 model.

What I am looking for is maximum HDR impact with Dolby Vision and HDR10 content. On the B6 it looks good, but I know HDR can be more impactful. What worries me is giving up the black level if I choose for the ZD9. Also I’ve read that DV content on this tv looks dim compared to the B6. So how much nits are we talking about exactly?

For content I only watch Netflix (DV) and UHD Blu-ray Discs. I also have a PS4 Pro with FIFA 19 and Red Dead Redemption.

Other choices would be a LG C9, but the picture quality doesn’t look that much better than my current B6.

Hoping to get some advise before I decide.
If you want maximum HDR performance, then the Z9D is still the best. The black level you will be "giving up" (that's a stretch) is like 99% as good as an OLED (it hits the blackest black spec without crushing, and looks inky black to the eye with only the slightest negligigle amount of light bleed in the most torturous scenes), but with much better brightness control. Purists talk about faithful picture but they have no problem crunching 1,000 and 4,000 nit material into a 500 nit panel with ABL and aggressive tone mapping. The Z9D is more faithful from a picture perspective. The 65" has 648 dimming zones (each LED is individually controlled, so it's not even a real zone), that's insane.

I watch a ton of DV via Oppo 203 and internal apps. There is no dimness to it compared to HDR10, so not sure what you are referring to. DV looks just as great, and there's no way it's "dimmer" than a B6. Those people might have a setting mixed up and accidentally turned on BFI or something.

I also have a PS4 Pro, and gaming is amazing. The HDR impact on some of the top flight games is fantastic.

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Amazing that there are still a few brand new ones still out there! I think I can shed a bit of insight on this TV and how it compares to an OLED. I own both a 65” Z9D and an LG 55” C6 (have in different bedrooms). Initially I wasn’t expecting the Sony Z9D to hold a candle to the LG C6, but boy was I wrong! Yes, the C6 does have perfect blacks, but I was surprised to see just how black the Z9D gets. I mean IMHO it gets so close to OLED blacks that once you factor in the stellar HDR this TV delivers, I would say overall the Z9D IS the superior TV.

I still use (and love) my C6, but I actually find myself watching the Z9D more often than the C6 due to just how amazing the HDR is on this TV! If HDR impact is what you’re after (along with excellent black levels) this TV delivers in spades! The Z9D is without a doubt the best looking TV I own period! I also own the Sony 940E, so I have some top TVs in the house. When it comes to HDR, the Z9D is in a league all it’s own. I can’t remember right off the exact nits, but I believe it’s around 1,800, so it gets plenty bright!

Now I can’t comment on the DV capabilities as I have never updated the firmware since I purchased the TV a year ago. But with HDR10 content, be it Netflix or 4K Blu-ray, the images this TV produces is simply jaw dropping. I really cannot brag enough on this TV. I just wish that Sony had made an 85” version of the Z9D, as that would have been my dream TV for my main theater room.

Ultimately the decision is yours, but I know I am extremely happy and a very proud owner of what has to be the finest LCD TV made to date.

Hope this helps.
It's obviously your decision. But, if you update the firmware and try DV; I believe you will be very pleasantly surprised.

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I'm still on some 2018 FW, and it's been fine, and since I don't use the internet on it - it's a monitor for my discs, I'm wary of upgrades..
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I dont know whats wrong with your eyes why you cant see the difference but it very obvious to me which is why a tv without doly vision is a deal breaker for me, take a look at this video so you can understand the difference.

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My eyes are just fine and so are the eyes of the dozen or so other people who did this comparison with me. I knew two minutes in to Teoh's video that we are comparing apples to oranges. First, he is comparing the formats on an OLED, which is using a whole lot more tone mapping than an 1800 nit Z9D. Of course dynamic tone mapping would be of much more benefit on an 800 nit display. If you actually read my post, you would see I was comparing 2 Z9Ds run in tandem. Secondly, my edit clearly states that I was comparing Dolby Vision vs HDR10 streaming on Vudu, not on a 4k Blu-ray player. Lastly, a video comparison using OLEDs is of no benefit on a Z9D forum.
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My eyes are just fine and so are the eyes of the dozen or so other people who did this comparison with me. I knew two minutes in to Teoh's video that we are comparing apples to oranges. First, he is comparing the formats on an OLED, which is using a whole lot more tone mapping than an 1800 nit Z9D. Of course dynamic tone mapping would be of much more benefit on an 800 nit display. If you actually read my post, you would see I was comparing 2 Z9Ds run in tandem. Secondly, my edit clearly states that I was comparing Dolby Vision vs HDR10 streaming on Vudu, not on a 4k Blu-ray player. Lastly, a video comparison using OLEDs is of no benefit on a Z9D forum.
I'll speak for myself. I definitely prefer DV to HDR10 on the Z9D.

Of course, the two require different setups. If that isn't done properly, that could affect someone's perception.
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Any feedback on this?
I'm still on some 2018 FW, and it's been fine, and since I don't use the internet on it - it's a monitor for my discs, I'm wary of upgrades..
I noticed no change after updating to this latest firmware, so it probably does exactly what it says and just corrects a wifi bug. My set is hardwired to the router, so if there was an issue with wifi, I never saw it.
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I noticed no change after updating to this latest firmware, so it probably does exactly what it says and just corrects a wifi bug. My set is hardwired to the router, so if there was an issue with wifi, I never saw it.
Same here. Installed it on my Z9D, 930E, and A1E and noticed no difference. They are all hard wired as well.
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I have the possibility to buy a brand new unit (65 inch) for a bargain at a retail store. Since this model is 3 year old already I am in doubt to pull the trigger. At the moment I have a LG OLED B6 model.

What I am looking for is maximum HDR impact with Dolby Vision and HDR10 content. On the B6 it looks good, but I know HDR can be more impactful. What worries me is giving up the black level if I choose for the ZD9. Also I’ve read that DV content on this tv looks dim compared to the B6. So how much nits are we talking about exactly?

For content I only watch Netflix (DV) and UHD Blu-ray Discs. I also have a PS4 Pro with FIFA 19 and Red Dead Redemption.

Other choices would be a LG C9, but the picture quality doesn’t look that much better than my current B6.

Hoping to get some advise before I decide.
Count me as another the Z9D is still absolutely worth it. Especially if you want impactful HDR performance! There is no dimness with Dolby Vision.
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Count me as another the Z9D is still absolutely worth it. Especially if you want impactful HDR performance! There is no dimness with Dolby Vision.


Thank you all for the great responses. Glad to read also that this tv can handle DV from HDMI sources and is not dim. How about blooming and halo’s? How is the picture quality somewhat off axis (about 30 degrees left or right from the center)?

Is the sluggishness of the Android OS fixed or still buggy?

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Thank you all for the great responses. Glad to read also that this tv can handle DV from HDMI sources and is not dim. How about blooming and halo’s? How is the picture quality somewhat off axis (about 30 degrees left or right from the center)?

Is the sluggishness of the Android OS fixed or still buggy?
I haven't notices any blooming or halos on any of my 3 Sony TVs (75Z9D, 65Z9D, and 74X940E). I don't think the 30 degree off-axis viewing is an issue, though some may be more critical than I am. As for the OS sluggishness...well, I never really use any of the TV apps. My use of them is strictly as a monitor for my other devices.
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I have the possibility to buy a brand new unit (65 inch) for a bargain at a retail store. Since this model is 3 year old already I am in doubt to pull the trigger. At the moment I have a LG OLED B6 model.

What I am looking for is maximum HDR impact with Dolby Vision and HDR10 content. On the B6 it looks good, but I know HDR can be more impactful. What worries me is giving up the black level if I choose for the ZD9. Also I’ve read that DV content on this tv looks dim compared to the B6. So how much nits are we talking about exactly?

For content I only watch Netflix (DV) and UHD Blu-ray Discs. I also have a PS4 Pro with FIFA 19 and Red Dead Redemption.

Other choices would be a LG C9, but the picture quality doesn’t look that much better than my current B6.

Hoping to get some advise before I decide.
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If you want maximum HDR performance, then the Z9D is still the best. The black level you will be "giving up" (that's a stretch) is like 99% as good as an OLED (it hits the blackest black spec without crushing, and looks inky black to the eye with only the slightest negligigle amount of light bleed in the most torturous scenes), but with much better brightness control. Purists talk about faithful picture but they have no problem crunching 1,000 and 4,000 nit material into a 500 nit panel with ABL and aggressive tone mapping. The Z9D is more faithful from a picture perspective. The 65" has 648 dimming zones (each LED is individually controlled, so it's not even a real zone), that's insane.

I watch a ton of DV via Oppo 203 and internal apps. There is no dimness to it compared to HDR10, so not sure what you are referring to. DV looks just as great, and there's no way it's "dimmer" than a B6. Those people might have a setting mixed up and accidentally turned on BFI or something.

I also have a PS4 Pro, and gaming is amazing. The HDR impact on some of the top flight games is fantastic.
HDR10 and Dolby Vision regarding dimness is all about the Picture Mode Settings. @pbz06 hit the nail on the head referring to Black frame insertion (BFI) Sony calls BFI = (Clearness). (Clearness) is under the Sony Advanced settings: Motion: Motionflow . You set Motionflow to (Custom) and then you can adjust the Black frame insertion (BFI) under Sony's (Clearness setting to minimum) to turn off the BFI flicker that causes the Picture to darken. Once (Clearness) is off Dolby Vision depending on mastering , camera used for rendering / filming and resolution and digital intermediate used ; hopefully 4KDI. You will be blown away by the superb picture quality of the Dolby Vision image your eyes will be feasting on. @IMWhizzle pull the trigger on the Sony 65" Z9D .

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Thank you all for the great responses. Glad to read also that this tv can handle DV from HDMI sources and is not dim. How about blooming and halo’s? How is the picture quality somewhat off axis (about 30 degrees left or right from the center)?

Is the sluggishness of the Android OS fixed or still buggy?
Blooming and halos are controlled as well as any LCD to date, especially considering the excellent shadow detail offered, but don't expect the pixel level accuracy of an emmisive OLED display. 30° off-axis is about the limit for any but the latest LCDs, and the Z9D is no exception. The Oreo update to Android TV definitely improved the OS performance, but it's still not as smooth or responsive as the LG webOS you're used to. However, the HDR performance is so impactful it more than makes up for the few minor deficiencies I've noted. If you haven't already, check out https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/z9d for in-depth technical information. You will absolutely love this TV.
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30 degrees off axis will have pretty severe blooming in hdr and moderate in sdr. I watch the office on the side couch and don’t care but if we are watching a movie i personally wouldn’t really enjoy it off axis

As others said the hdr performance more than makes up for any shortcomings and I agree
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Thank you all for your opinions. I almost bought the tv, but I didn’t. I’ve decided that I don’t want to give up on pure blacks and I like to game. Gaming on this tv doesn’t have a low input lag and YouTubed Whisper Status 77 and RTINGS say the same thing.

The best tv would be a waiting game unfortunately (microled), which will be out in approximately six years. In between I will buy a 77 inch OLED model. It will be the A9G or the LG C9, because 55 inch is just simply too small for my living room.

Again, thank you so much your all advise!
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Thank you all for your opinions. I almost bought the tv, but I didn’t. I’ve decided that I don’t want to give up on pure blacks and I like to game. Gaming on this tv doesn’t have a low input lag and YouTubed Whisper Status 77 and RTINGS say the same thing.

The best tv would be a waiting game unfortunately (microled), which will be out in approximately six years. In between I will buy a 77 inch OLED model. It will be the A9G or the LG C9, because 55 inch is just simply too small for my living room.

Again, thank you so much your all advise!
Owning an OLED and the Z, you wouldn't be sacrificing that much in the blacks and would get better near black performance. Also if you still have the B6, the Z has lower input lag, unless you do sub-4K gaming.

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Thank you all for your opinions. I almost bought the tv, but I didn’t. I’ve decided that I don’t want to give up on pure blacks and I like to game. Gaming on this tv doesn’t have a low input lag and YouTubed Whisper Status 77 and RTINGS say the same thing.

The best tv would be a waiting game unfortunately (microled), which will be out in approximately six years. In between I will buy a 77 inch OLED model. It will be the A9G or the LG C9, because 55 inch is just simply too small for my living room.

Again, thank you so much your all advise!
Wouldn't mind sharing the name of the retailer that still has this brand new would you?
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