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Yes, that's how it works unfortunately. Sorry I wasn't able to respond to your earlier question.

The Z9D (I think all the other Sony's are the same) remember the settings per HDMI input on the TV, so if you have all your sources coming in from a receiver/soundbar and go into HDMI 3 ARC, for example, then it will use the Preset you had last selected (i.e. Cinema Home). And then the Cinema Home uses mostly the same subsettings whether it's HDR or SDR. The only ones that it remembers and changes between HDR and SDR are Xtended Dynamic Range (high for HDR, preference for SDR), Gamma (0 for HDR, -1 or -2 for SDR), and the backlight (Max for HDR, preference for SDR).

I am under the impression that if you calibrate for SDR (or maybe HDR first), then you wouldn't need to make any other changes since they track similar.
I had someone who was doing a favor - visiting me in my humble den and this is a industry pro, and she did some very detailed settings, with changes to the REC, gamma and advanced color adjustments, so many of these did not track between SDR and HDR. She also made some changes for DV.

I guess I had to stick to using two inputs - HDMI 2 for SDR and HDMI 3 (with ARC) for HDR & DV. But the money spent on the calibration is worth it. Even for the sheer geek factor, I was very impressed. Imagine a female Vincent Teoh doing his pro thing in your home for the better part of a Saturday...
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I had someone who was doing a favor - visiting me in my humble den and this is a industry pro, and she did some very detailed settings, with changes to the REC, gamma and advanced color adjustments, so many of these did not track between SDR and HDR. She also made some changes for DV.

I guess I had to stick to using two inputs - HDMI 2 for SDR and HDMI 3 (with ARC) for HDR & DV. But the money spent on the calibration is worth it. Even for the sheer geek factor, I was very impressed. Imagine a female Vincent Teoh doing his pro thing in your home for the better part of a Saturday...
On my next TV, I will calibrate

It would be interesting to see what the differences were in the major settings for each of DV, HDR10, and SDR (i.e. Contrast) and if she used Home/Pro/Custom.

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I found something about the Z9D from this site:
https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd65...1610164372.htm
If Vincent Teoh (the ultimate pro calibrator) noticed it, then there's nothing I can do I guess..

"Our Sony KD65ZD9BU review sample presented a few quirks for calibration. First, many of the settings including [Colour] and [Adv. colour temperature] are shared between SDR, HDR and 3D modes within the same picture preset on the same HDMI port. This means that if you use a single source player (for example the Panasonic UB900) to watch regular Blu-ray, 4K BD and 3D Blu-rays on the Z9D, you’d have to manually switch to different (calibrated) picture presets if you’d like to experience the best image quality from each format."

So you do need to use two inputs for the best settings for SDR and HDR... odd quirk...
I have the same issue but I don't have enough hours to pay for a pro cal. I bought one of the last ones on Walmart.com from DELL.com. I would never trust them again (DELL that is) but I don't want to go off topic. If I understand this I have to have a SDR picture on a picture preset and use the settings from 10Kand then have a HDR movie or a streamed picture on the same preset and do the same as SDR?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bob
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I found something about the Z9D from this site:
https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd65...1610164372.htm
If Vincent Teoh (the ultimate pro calibrator) noticed it, then there's nothing I can do I guess..

"Our Sony KD65ZD9BU review sample presented a few quirks for calibration. First, many of the settings including [Colour] and [Adv. colour temperature] are shared between SDR, HDR and 3D modes within the same picture preset on the same HDMI port. This means that if you use a single source player (for example the Panasonic UB900) to watch regular Blu-ray, 4K BD and 3D Blu-rays on the Z9D, you’️d have to manually switch to different (calibrated) picture presets if you’️d like to experience the best image quality from each format."

So you do need to use two inputs for the best settings for SDR and HDR... odd quirk...
I have the same issue but I don't have enough hours to pay for a pro cal. I bought one of the last ones on Walmart.com from DELL.com. I would never trust them again (DELL that is) but I don't want to go off topic. If I understand this I have to have a SDR picture on a picture preset and use the settings from 10Kand then have a HDR movie or a streamed picture on the same preset and do the same as SDR?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bob
although the settings are shared for white balance between sdr and her, the tv has an internal offset matrix which gives the correct picture in each mode.

This is regardless of whether white balance was calibrated in sdr or hdr, I did it both ways and got basically the same result. As a matter of convenience I started with sdr and then confirmed hdr.

I never investigated 3D since I don’t use this feature but I wouldn’t be surprised if it required a different input/set of settings as the impact of the glasses cannot be known by the tv.
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although the settings are shared for white balance between sdr and her, the tv has an internal offset matrix which gives the correct picture in each mode.

This is regardless of whether white balance was calibrated in sdr or hdr, I did it both ways and got basically the same result. As a matter of convenience I started with sdr and then confirmed hdr.

I never investigated 3D since I don’t use this feature but I wouldn’t be surprised if it required a different input/set of settings as the impact of the glasses cannot be known by the tv.
Yup! The way the Z9D handles this is actually vastly preferable IMO and saved a lot of time when I had it and my A1E calibrated. Dial everything in with a SDR signal then some quick "fact checking" sending and HDR signal and you're good to go.
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Yup! The way the Z9D handles this is actually vastly preferable IMO and saved a lot of time when I had it and my A1E calibrated. Dial everything in with a SDR signal then some quick "fact checking" sending and HDR signal and you're good to go.
yea exactly, pretty much the only thing to do in hdr is dial in contrast for desired tone mapping 👍
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Yup! The way the Z9D handles this is actually vastly preferable IMO and saved a lot of time when I had it and my A1E calibrated. Dial everything in with a SDR signal then some quick "fact checking" sending and HDR signal and you're good to go.
I used to do that, but the settings were different enough that I could discern that the color was off and using two inputs was easier than pressing at least a dozen buttons.
I could see the calibration pro getting a good workout
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I used to do that, but the settings were different enough that I could discern that the color was off and using two inputs was easier than pressing at least a dozen buttons.
I could see the calibration pro getting a good workout
Then there is something wrong with your set or eyes because there should not be a difference and the pro that did my TVs verified it with his Klein K10-A.
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Then there is something wrong with your set or eyes because there should not be a difference and the pro that did my TVs verified it with his Klein K10-A.
Err...
You mean you cannot tell the different in colors and brightness between SDR and HDR? Then I'm afraid you are the one who needs to visit the optometrist mate...
The settings were quite different, and anyone can see them very easily. I had four friends with me who saw the differences instantly.
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You mean you cannot tell the different in colors and brightness between SDR and HDR? Then I'm afraid you are the one who needs to visit the optometrist mate...
The settings were quite different, and anyone can see them very easily. I had four friends with me who saw the differences instantly.
Uhm... I can tell the difference in colors and brightness because HDR brings wide color gamut (more color data) and a larger range in luminance or high dynamic range. That is by design, the advantage to the tech/format, and the whole point of HDR, brother.

If they are seeing the difference in SDR content vs HDR, that means you have a great HDR capable set, congrats!

The average dE with both SDR and HDR signals on my Z9D is .4dE for grayscale and .5dE for color. There was no drift between a SDR nor HDR signal under a very high end colorimeter sending native SDR and HDR signals and measuring. The Z9D scales wonderfully from a SDR calibration to HDR.
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When I have a minute or two, I'll post about the marathon session.. I'm a geek, so it was very interesting watching the pros work..
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Page 9 of this document illustrates how Sony calibration parameters are organised.

http://sonyglobal.akamaized.net/is/c...AN-updated.pdf

White balance settings are related only to color temperature mode and independent from input or picture mode.
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Does the Prime Video app on the Z9D support Dolby Vision?
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Does the Prime Video app on the Z9D support Dolby Vision?
Yes. However, there aren't very many. One good example is their original Tom Clancey's Jack Ryan.

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Yes. However, there aren't very many. One good example is their original Tom Clancey's Jack Ryan.
But no Atmos...
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But no Atmos...

And a cheesy script.

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And a cheesy script.
I meant the Z9D app doesn't support Atmos. Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan does have Atmos.

I enjoyed the show.
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I meant the Z9D app doesn't support Atmos. Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan does have Atmos.

I enjoyed the show.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, and I'm sure you're not alone. But . . . the writing is trite and hokey. I wanted to like this series for the video and audio quality alone, but I couldn't make it past the first two episodes due to the stereotypically inauthentic story line, affected acting, and clumsy directing.

Full disclosure: I'm both a cinephile and a retired military intelligence professional, so maybe I'm more sensitive to these things than the average viewer.
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I'm glad you enjoyed it, and I'm sure you're not alone. But . . . the writing is trite and hokey. I wanted to like this series for the video and audio quality alone, but I couldn't make it past the first two episodes due to the stereotypically inauthentic story line, affected acting, and clumsy directing.

Full disclosure: I'm both a cinephile and a retired military intelligence professional, so maybe I'm more sensitive to these things than the average viewer.
+1 on the plot, the hobby and the past ... I enjoy it when the chaps in Hollywood get it right, and cringe when they wing it...
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+1 on the plot, the hobby and the past ... I enjoy it when the chaps in Hollywood get it right, and cringe when they wing it...

Well, in all fairness, we're not talking about documentaries here or even an honest attempt to create a realistic portrayal of the craft. These are entertainment vehicles designed to attract a wide audience (and/or to sell a franchise).

But I was nonetheless very disappointed in the mundane nature of Amazon's feeble Jack Ryan, having expected more.

As an illustration and just for contrast, one of my favorite spy movies of all time based on cinematic excellence combined with a sense of authenticity is The Spy Who Came In From the Cold (1965) (Richard Burton and Martin Ritt team up to bring David John Moore Cornwell (John le Carré)'s cold war masterpiece to life).

Some other titles, in no particular order are: The Conversation (1974), Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (2011), Ronin (1998), and The Tailor of Panama (2001). Not to mention, just for the sheer fun of it, North By Northwest (1959) and From Russia With Love (1963) (both plots are outrageously silly, but what grand entertainment and exceptional movie-making!).

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Well, in all fairness, we're not talking about documentaries here or even an honest attempt to create a realistic portrayal of the craft. These are entertainment vehicles designed to attract a wide audience (and/or to sell a franchise).

But I was nonetheless very disappointed in the mundane nature of Amazon's feeble Jack Ryan, having expected more.

As an illustration and just for contrast, one of my favorite spy movies of all time based on cinematic excellence combined with a sense of authenticity is The Spy Who Came In From the Cold (1965) (Richard Burton and Martin Ritt team up to bring John Carré's cold war masterpiece to life).

Some other titles, in no particular order are: The Conversation (1974), Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (2011), Ronin (1998), and The Tailor of Panama (2001). Not to mention, just for the sheer fun of it, North By Northwest (1959) and From Russia With Love (1963) (both plots are outrageously silly, but what grand entertainment and exceptional movie-making!).
Tailor of Panama and Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy are 2 of my favorite sleepers of all time! Ronin too of course, but that one was more mainstream. TTSS got me into John le Carré and I've enjoyed every movie based off his books.

p.s.- I enjoyed Jack Ryan because it's still good entertainment for weeknight to plow through shows with the wife. It had good pace and production values. And at least it seemed like he held his gun correctly, which most shows do not portray it accurately I just can't stand hollywood touches like making the wife more "pretty" and Americanized for us to relate to. Oh, and look at that cute kid kicking the soccer ball around so gently!

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Tailor of Panama and Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy are 2 of my favorite sleepers of all time! Ronin too of course, but that one was more mainstream. TTSS got me into John le Carré and I've enjoyed every movie based off his books.

p.s.- I enjoyed Jack Ryan because it's still good entertainment for weeknight to plow through shows with the wife. It had good pace and production values. And at least it seemed like he held his gun correctly, which most shows do not portray it accurately I just can't stand hollywood touches like making the wife more "pretty" and Americanized for us to relate to. Oh, and look at that cute kid kicking the soccer ball around so gently!
If you enjoyed those two, and you missed The Conversation, then you owe it to yourself to check out this last film. Written and directed by Francis Ford Coppola and starring a maniacally intense Gene Hackman, this masterpiece expertly captures the paranoia (not to mention the mind-numbing tedium) involved in genuine intelligence and security work.

And for some illuminating reading on the subject of (counter)espionage, I recommend David Wise's excellent Molehunt: The Secret Search for Traitors That Shattered the CIA (and his subsequent Nightmover: How Aldrich Ames Sold the CIA to the KGB for $4.6 Million). Both books accurately (IMHO) portray the sometimes inept and self-defeating nature of our intelligence services in a way that Hollywood blockbusters never will. In point of fact, the greatest intelligence successes and most disastrous failures seldom come to light.
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The Oreo update showed up on mine last week. The TV basically seems the same (I'm not using any of the "smart" functionality).
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The Oreo update showed up on mine last week. The TV basically seems the same (I'm not using any of the "smart" functionality).
Same here, I haven't noticed any changes. But then, like you (I suspect) I just use my TVs as monitors.

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Same here, I haven't noticed any changes. But then, like you (I suspect) I just use my TVs as monitors.
I mainly use mine as a monitor too.

The only thing I've noticed is that they look to have fixed the raised black levels when replaying Dolby Vision content via HDMI. I used to have to reduce my Black Level when watching DV to around 47. Now I can leave it on the nominal 50.

But DV content is still dimmer than the same content playing as HDR10. They didn't fix that. Very little 'pop' in comparison. Pity.

I've now abandoned DV on this set and changed all my replay devices back to HDR10. The 'pop' and specular highlights which are a hallmark of this 1800 nit set have returned.

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Hi guys. I'm transporting my tv cross country today. Anyone have the best method for cleaning the 65 z9d? Audioquestz monster or just a microfiber. Seems like the microber by itself is not doing much. Thanks in advance.
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Hi guys. The movers just came to pick up my tv. Does this look okay? They didn't use the clips and I'm a little paranoid. They used tape instead. I attached a photo of the clips.
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