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post #22081 of 22263 Old 11-19-2019, 09:43 PM
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If anyone was recently accepted into the Xbox xCloud streaming service for mobile, I was able to sideload it onto my 65Z9D and play games! So yesterday I was accepted into the Xcloud streaming service for mobile(Free for now because it is in beta.) Apparently this will be included if you have Gamepass next year. It is designed to stream xbox games onto your mobile phone( I think there are about 50 games right now) and play with a bluetooth Xbox One controller. I first tried to sideload the apk onto my fireTV box, but after the app loaded I was unable to start a game, or do anything for that matter. I then sideloaded it onto my 65Z9D using a USB Drive and ESFileExplorer and although the screen loads sideways at first, it switches to landscape. After pairing my Xbox one controller to the TV, I was able to sign in and play games directly on the TV! Lag is minimal since my TV is Landline connected to my Uverse internet. The only thing I have noticed so far is that I have to use the back button on the TV remote to actually get the Exit Game menu to appear, then click the controller button to exit. Here is a link to sign up for the xCloud service, note it took probably a month before I was accepted.
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-game...project-xcloud


On another note, how do you know if Mandalorian is playing in Dolby Vision? When I click display on the TV it doesn't display any info.

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...On another note, how do you know if Mandalorian is playing in Dolby Vision? When I click display on the TV it doesn't display any info.
I don't think anything on Disney+ is playing in DV since (at least) yesterday. All reference to Dolby Vision is now missing from all titile cards in their main menu. When DV was working for the first six days, the Sony would display Dolby Vision in the upper right corner of the screen momentarily. You can go to picture adjustments; the first menu will tell you HDR or DV, or as it now stands, nothing.
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I don't think anything on Disney+ is playing in DV since (at least) yesterday. All reference to Dolby Vision is now missing from all titile cards in their main menu. When DV was working for the first six days, the Sony would display Dolby Vision in the upper right corner of the screen momentarily. You can go to picture adjustments; the first menu will tell you HDR or DV, or as it now stands, nothing.
Just checked and getting Dolby Vision signal on the Mandalorian. Got the Dolby Vision notice in the upper right hand corner of my Z9D and when checking Action Menu > Picture adjustment Picture mode shows Dolby Vision and upper right hand corner HDR.
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Just checked and getting Dolby Vision signal on the Mandalorian. Got the Dolby Vision notice in the upper right hand corner of my Z9D and when checking Action Menu > Picture adjustment Picture mode shows Dolby Vision and upper right hand corner HDR.
I called Dizzy Plus this morning, (after 70 mins on hold) they confirmed Dolby Vision option had been taken off their app, were aware of a problem (quickly described as issue with some subscribers having the picture freeze) and they'd be restoring DV service ASAP.

I now have the selections available in Dolby Vision. Hopefully it'll stick.
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I actually did this yesterday lol, it was playable. Took some time to get it to work, as it started off portrait mode and a blank white screen when trying to login but eventually trial and error fixed it. I agree, getting back to the game selection was a challenge but overall this is neat!!! When they improve the stream quality and build a native app for Android TV, I will probably subscribe, but at least we know our TV is capable of the stream!

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If anyone was recently accepted into the Xbox xCloud streaming service for mobile, I was able to sideload it onto my 65Z9D and play games! So yesterday I was accepted into the Xcloud streaming service for mobile(Free for now because it is in beta.) Apparently this will be included if you have Gamepass next year. It is designed to stream xbox games onto your mobile phone( I think there are about 50 games right now) and play with a bluetooth Xbox One controller. I first tried to sideload the apk onto my fireTV box, but after the app loaded I was unable to start a game, or do anything for that matter. I then sideloaded it onto my 65Z9D using a USB Drive and ESFileExplorer and although the screen loads sideways at first, it switches to landscape. After pairing my Xbox one controller to the TV, I was able to sign in and play games directly on the TV! Lag is minimal since my TV is Landline connected to my Uverse internet. The only thing I have noticed so far is that I have to use the back button on the TV remote to actually get the Exit Game menu to appear, then click the controller button to exit. Here is a link to sign up for the xCloud service, note it took probably a month before I was accepted.
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-game...project-xcloud


On another note, how do you know if Mandalorian is playing in Dolby Vision? When I click display on the TV it doesn't display any info.
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I called Dizzy Plus this morning, (after 70 mins on hold) they confirmed Dolby Vision option had been taken off their app, were aware of a problem (quickly described as issue with some subscribers having the picture freeze) and they'd be restoring DV service ASAP.

I now have the selections available in Dolby Vision. Hopefully it'll stick.
DV working for me this morning as well

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DV working for me this morning as well
Yes. DV works for me now. hopefully atmos will be available too
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Yes. DV works for me now. hopefully atmos will be available too
Yeah all Dolby vision stuff is working now woot. Some of the titles say Dolby vision on them. Mandalorian doesn't say Dolby vision but plays in Dolby vision. It looks better then the Xbox one x.

I'm trying to see if I can get 5.1 audio to work now.

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Well this is interesting. The Android app Disney plus seems to briefly output 5.1 audio using the optical. Once the picture shows on the screen it then switches to 2 channel pcm. I could only get it to stay on 5.1 audio for a couple seconds with various titles. I tried a different app. Plex exhibited the same behavior. Netflix would output 5.1 the entire time. Does anyone know what's going on?

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I need help from the Apple TV users here (for a friend). Do you have to have the 4K named model to stream 4K or is the prior model capable of it if the content is available?

And then the more difficult question, do you prefer using the ATV or the Sony TV apps? ATV is obviously easy and a one spot source, but are there any areas where the TV apps provide higher quality video or audio?

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I need help from the Apple TV users here (for a friend). Do you have to have the 4K named model to stream 4K or is the prior model capable of it if the content is available?

And then the more difficult question, do you prefer using the ATV or the Sony TV apps? ATV is obviously easy and a one spot source, but are there any areas where the TV apps provide higher quality video or audio?

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The ATV is more responsive/quicker than the organic Sony TV apps; and if we are to believe numerous posters, the ATV provides a higher data rate transmission than the Sony apps (would be beneficial on 4K). However, on HD and below, the Sony apps provide "upconversion" to UHD/2160p instead of the upconversion done by the ATV. In my opinion, the Sony upconversion is superior.

Some say the ATV audio is superior (if you like pcm or reconstituted DD). I'm 75, with hearing aids, and my Yamaha provides a couple very beneficial audio settings for DD or DD+. It does a better job with the DD+ provided by the Sony apps (and ARC) than by the reconstituted DD out of the ATV; and the Yamaha settings that I use to enhance audio do not work with pcm.

Additionally, many posters feel the DV from the ATV is "dark"; and that the Sony apps do a better job with DV.

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Is there a way to get the built in Vudu app to output Dolby Atmos? It wants to output Dolby Digital to my Atmos soundbar. I typically prefer disc over streaming but was doing some experimenting today and found that the Vudu app on the Z9D looks much better than the Vudu app on the Xbox One. I was watching Batman V Superman and the Xbox outputs Atmos just fine but the picture is way darker and barely even looks HDR. Tv registers HDR and Dolby Vision being active but the picture doesn't really pop. The built in Vudu app looks much better but is outputting in Dolby Digital...And my panasonic Blu Ray player doesn't have the Vudu app...You'd think we could get an all in 1 solution to the audio video formats by now...haha.

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I have my 75inch z9d hooked up samsung 7.1.4 n950 soundbar and not only does the built in vudu apps output atmos but disney plus does also

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Yeah, I confirmed with Nakamichi yesterday they the soundbar doesn't process atmos over arc...lame. It's a real shame too because the system is incredible...

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Yeah, I confirmed with Nakamichi yesterday they the soundbar doesn't process atmos over arc...lame. It's a real shame too because the system is incredible...

You can get the same soundbar I have used for about 6-700 for the full 7.1.4 , the surround speakers are bluetooth wireless and it sounds amazing, in my review, I compared to my atmos in wall/ceiling set up and the soundbar held its own
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Yeah, I confirmed with Nakamichi yesterday they the soundbar doesn't process atmos over arc...lame. It's a real shame too because the system is incredible...

You can get the same soundbar I have used for about 6-700 for the full 7.1.4 , the surround speakers are bluetooth wireless and it sounds amazing, in my review, I compared to my atmos in wall/ceiling set up and the soundbar held its own
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Every three-four days, some little gremlin in the Z9D changes the "speaker" setting from audio system to internal speakers. It's fine when turned off at night; but has changed when turned on in the morning.

Sound still comes from the audio system; but ARC audio commands are no longer sent from the Z9D to my Yamaha. This wouldn't bother me that much except for the fact that my wife "really, really likes" to control audio with her DTV remote (instead of the Harmony or Yamaha remote). That doesn't work unless the ARC commands for audio are transmitted.

Does anyone else have this problem of the speaker setting mysteriously changing; or any suggestions on how it can be resolved?

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Every three-four days, some little gremlin in the Z9D changes the "speaker" setting from audio system to internal speakers. It's fine when turned off at night; but has changed when turned on in the morning.

Sound still comes from the audio system; but ARC audio commands are no longer sent from the Z9D to my Yamaha. This wouldn't bother me that much except for the fact that my wife "really, really likes" to control audio with her DTV remote (instead of the Harmony or Yamaha remote). That doesn't work unless the ARC commands for audio are transmitted.

Does anyone else have this problem of the speaker setting mysteriously changing; or any suggestions on how it can be resolved?
Are you on the latest firmware? I remember some issues with Yamaha receivers on early Oreo firmware...

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So has anyone been able to get disney plus to output 5.1 surround or is there a bug with the native app and its only playing stereo for everything like me? thx
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Are you on the latest firmware? I remember some issues with Yamaha receivers on early Oreo firmware...
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Every three-four days, some little gremlin in the Z9D changes the "speaker" setting from audio system to internal speakers. It's fine when turned off at night; but has changed when turned on in the morning.

Sound still comes from the audio system; but ARC audio commands are no longer sent from the Z9D to my Yamaha. This wouldn't bother me that much except for the fact that my wife "really, really likes" to control audio with her DTV remote (instead of the Harmony or Yamaha remote). That doesn't work unless the ARC commands for audio are transmitted.

Does anyone else have this problem of the speaker setting mysteriously changing; or any suggestions on how it can be resolved?
All three of my TVs start up and they like to do a dance where I get a notification that says switching to external, then to internal, then eventually it goes back to external. They are all connected to different model AVRs and a pre-pro. I have seen this behavior since launch. The most annoying is when they decide they want to play audio through the internal and external simultaneously.
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All three of my TVs start up and they like to do a dance where I get a notification that says switching to external, then to internal, then eventually it goes back to external. They are all connected to different model AVRs and a pre-pro. I have seen this behavior since launch. The most annoying is when they decide they want to play audio through the internal and external simultaneously.
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All three of my TVs start up and they like to do a dance where I get a notification that says switching to external, then to internal, then eventually it goes back to external. They are all connected to different model AVRs and a pre-pro. I have seen this behavior since launch. The most annoying is when they decide they want to play audio through the internal and external simultaneously.
You guys are helping to convince me that my decision a number of years ago to avoid the use of ARC (then mostly due to the CEC requirement) was a good one.

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Put me on the list of those who have never had such issues. Samsung with a Denon, Samsung with Sony Soundbar, Vizio with Denon, TCL with Denon. Z9D with Denon, 950G with Denon (can you tell I like Denon?) No CEC issues. No ARC issues. No random power on issues. No TV speaker/sound system switching issues. Last time I used an optical or coax. for audio was 2011.

Ive been enjoying Atmos over DD+ from the native apps which has been cool. With the 950G and eARC, I can now even have full bitrate audio over eARC.
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Put me on the list of those who have never had such issues. Samsung with a Denon, Samsung with Sony Soundbar, Vizio with Denon, TCL with Denon. Z9D with Denon, 950G with Denon (can you tell I like Denon?) No CEC issues. No ARC issues. No random power on issues. No TV speaker/sound system switching issues. Last time I used an optical or coax. for audio was 2011.

Ive been enjoying Atmos over DD+ from the native apps which has been cool. With the 950G and eARC, I can now even have full bitrate audio over eARC.
Well my pre-pro is Marantz which is owned by the same company and you mention "full bitrate" but that doesn't mean anything for any commercial streaming platforms as they all already do lossy E-AC-3 streams from them. Only time you'd get a difference is if you have disc backups you're playing back on the TV. eARC is largely useless unless you have a source that has to connect to the TV first for VRR which the new Sony's don't handle.
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Put me on the list of those who have never had such issues. Samsung with a Denon, Samsung with Sony Soundbar, Vizio with Denon, TCL with Denon. Z9D with Denon, 950G with Denon (can you tell I like Denon?) No CEC issues. No ARC issues. No random power on issues. No TV speaker/sound system switching issues. Last time I used an optical or coax. for audio was 2011.

Ive been enjoying Atmos over DD+ from the native apps which has been cool. With the 950G and eARC, I can now even have full bitrate audio over eARC.
When I had my Vizio sound bar I did that little dance going back and forth between tv speakers and external audio. When I bought the Nakamichi sound bar, Nakamichi suggested doing an HDMI refresh to clear out all the HDMI memory or something like that. Since I did that I haven't seen that dance back and forth...Might be worth looking into doing the HDMI refresh. If you're interested you can see how Nakamichi suggests it on their website.

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Well my pre-pro is Marantz which is owned by the same company and you mention "full bitrate" but that doesn't mean anything for any commercial streaming platforms as they all already do lossy E-AC-3 streams from them. Only time you'd get a difference is if you have disc backups you're playing back on the TV. eARC is largely useless unless you have a source that has to connect to the TV first for VRR which the new Sony's don't handle.
I have a special use case where eARC kind of saved the day, This is a bit long..

When I connect my Sony X700 the normal way......BD->Denon->Sony TV, the signal goes dead unless I turn off HDMI enhanced which means no HDR. I tried everything. Im using monoprice certified HDMI cables. I also have an NV Shield with same config, and no issues. This happened after the X700 FW update, When update was done, screen went black and I cannot get it to work in enhanced mode.

Out of desperation I connected it X700->Sony TV->Denon via eARC using same cables. Problem solved! I have no idea why but it works. I get full bitrate audio same as I would the normal way. The only real downside is I cant bring up Denon overlay menu since its an ARC connection but at least its a solution.
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I have a special use case where eARC kind of saved the day, This is a bit long..

When I connect my Sony X700 the normal way......BD->Denon->Sony TV, the signal goes dead unless I turn off HDMI enhanced which means no HDR. I tried everything. Im using monoprice certified HDMI cables. I also have an NV Shield with same config, and no issues. This happened after the X700 FW update, When update was done, screen went black and I cannot get it to work in enhanced mode.

Out of desperation I connected it X700->Sony TV->Denon via eARC using same cables. Problem solved! I have no idea why but it works. I get full bitrate audio same as I would the normal way. The only real downside is I cant bring up Denon overlay menu since its an ARC connection but at least its a solution.
Very happy that worked out for you.

That said, it is an edge case and atypical and I would find out why your AVR isn't reliably passing the signals it should because something is awry.
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Very happy that worked out for you.

That said, it is an edge case and atypical and I would find out why your AVR isn't reliably passing the signals it should because something is awry.
Im open to ideas! Im kind of blaming the X700. I can swap the Shield and the X700, keep same ports, same cables and problem follows X700. The X700 worked with everything set to enhanced until the FW update. Ive rebooted, restored defaults all the normal stuff. No dice. Im just happy I have a workaround with almost no downside.

Earc is supposed to have better audio sync and it seems to for me. One minor gripe I had with the Z9D is the audio was just a bit off. Most noticeable with OTA. If I rebooted it, it would get better. The 950G seems much better, right in sync. Cant say with any certainty if the eARC helped or something else like faster SoC.

The other use case would be if someone prefers that the TV be the AV switching device VS the AVR. Id rather have the AVR do it, but good to have options.
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Put me on the list of those who have never had such issues. Samsung with a Denon, Samsung with Sony Soundbar, Vizio with Denon, TCL with Denon. Z9D with Denon, 950G with Denon (can you tell I like Denon?) No CEC issues. No ARC issues. No random power on issues. No TV speaker/sound system switching issues. Last time I used an optical or coax. for audio was 2011.

Ive been enjoying Atmos over DD+ from the native apps which has been cool. With the 950G and eARC, I can now even have full bitrate audio over eARC.
Well my CEC issues is with it changing inputs and powering stuff on/off when it shouldn't. I use Pronto TSU9400 universal remotes for my systems and they are programmed to control all of my devices and I really couldn't deal with CEC trying to take control. I use all HDMI as well with only a couple of exceptions for a few of my audio sources that are only analog. I guess you are simply one of the lucky ones (and I'm not). But to be honest I really don't need or miss ARC or CEC.

1) JVC DLA-NX7 & Sony 65Z9D, Yamaha CX-A5200, Outlaw Audio 7900 & 7700, UDP-203, DP-UB9000, UBP-X800M2, Roku Ultra
2) Sony 75Z9D, Yamaha RX-A3080, 2xOutlaw Audio 2200s, UDP-203, UBP-X800M2, Roku Ultra
3) Sony 75X940E, Yamaha RX-A2080, UDP-203, UBP-X800M2, Roku Ultra
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