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How many devices are connected to the AVR, disconnect all devices to the TV except AVR, then disable and enable Bravia sync and hdmi cec& arc on received receiver.
if sound is restored you can try connecting other devices back, it's a unique me of the other devices that may be a causing the problem.
The one thing I did not try, so I will do that. Thank you.

To answer your question below is a list of items connected to the AVR:

1. PS4 Pro
2. PS3
3. Comcast Cable box
4. Toshiba HD DVD player - audio is setup with optical cable
5. Sony UBP-X700 UHD player
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2. If you couldn't get a Z9D what model Sony 3D TV would you settle for? (preferably with similar feature set as Z9D).
None of the Sony’s previous models. You can try to find a used LG E6 2016 models it’s passive but the 3D is as good as (some say is better but I don’t know about that) on the Z9D.

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None of the Sony’s previous models. You can try to find a used LG E6 2016 models it’s passive but the 3D is as good as (some say is better but I don’t know about that) on the Z9D.
I've checked out the passive 3D on one of the 2016 LG OLEDs of a buddy of mine, and IMHO the 3D is noticably better than on the Z9D. Crosstalk is almost nonexistent, contrast is better and overall I would say it's more pleasing and easier on the eyes.

Really made me wish Sony had released the A1 that same year, as surely it would have been a 3D enabled TV. I definitely would have gotten it just for the 3D alone then...
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Cool 3D

For great, 3D 'Active' (rechargeable) 3D glasses:
https://smile.amazon.com/3ACTIVE-Son...8159312&sr=8-5

As I recall, you lost half your resolution with passive 3D and half the brightness with active 3D and I chose the latter. Too bad no-one ever offered 4K 3D. At the time, excuse was bandwidth, but I now have 4X what is needed for 2D 4K at a locked total $45 monthly.

I'd certainly look long and hard on any 2016 OLED TV for signs of the dreaded 'burn-in'.

After more great Sony's than I could count, 2011 found Costco shy of Sony's and I suffered 88 days with an LG.

Although it was better than my previous trial of a Vizio, it just wasn't a Sony; had to place black tape over their bright logo that you couldn't control in their menu. Mainly, it seemed so slow to change channels but didn't like anything else about it either. Costco finally had one more Sony, it was just an 'entry-level' 32" but better than the LG. I still occasionally enjoy it, but my 6 year older 40" Sony is enjoyed much more. (SONY KDL40WL135 40" BRAVIA 1080P 120HZ LCD HDTV)

In 2014 I wanted 3D and Sony was out due to their side-mounted speakers which couldn't fit on my corner wall mount, so I switched to Samsung. ....

Now Sony has returned to Costco and the OLED looks great, but sadly no more 3D. My 2015 Sammy JS-9000 squeezes a 65" into my beloved corner wall mount. Wall and built-in shelving with windows leave no other choice for a wall mount for me. Originally held my 40" Sony, then the 55" Sammy maxed out the flat screen size possible until I discovered that due to its curve-screen, I could mount my 65" which was the last 3D Sammy.

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Thanks for the continued 3D talk.
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None of the Sony’s previous models. You can try to find a used LG E6 2016 models it’s passive but the 3D is as good as (some say is better but I don’t know about that) on the Z9D.
I used to own the E6 and the 3D was the best I have ever seen. The Z9D has nice 3D performance thanks to the extra brightness but the E6 was far from dim and was certainly superior, plus no flicker from the active shutter.
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How many devices are connected to the AVR, disconnect all devices to the TV except AVR, then disable and enable Bravia sync and hdmi cec& arc on receiver.
if sound is restored you can try connecting other devices back, it's likely the hdmi cec( even if it's turned off) of the other devices that may be a causing the problem.
You sir are the man, this worked! If you're ever in Pittsburgh let me know I will buy you a beer or 20.

Thanks again!
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For those using Logitech Harmony remote with this TV, I started getting a "cannot connect to TV" wifi error. The only way to fix it is to pull out the Sony remote, turn off wifi on the TV, and then reconnect. I need to do this maybe every 3-4 times I use the TV.

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For those using Logitech Harmony remote with this TV, I started getting a "cannot connect to TV" wifi error. The only way to fix it is to pull out the Sony remove, turn off wifi on the TV, and then reconnect. I need to do this maybe every 3-4 times I use the TV.

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Change the WI-FI channel, there is probably a frequency conflict.

I was so happy without HDR...
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You sir are the man, this worked! If you're ever in Pittsburgh let me know I will buy you a beer or 20.



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It's my pleasure mate. I will take you up on that beer one day .
Remember that arc is dodgy and will act up again. But you know how to fix it now.

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Need a little bit of help from the XBR65Z9D owners.

Now I'm a little late to the game, but am in the market to try and find a Z9D. Preferably in 75" but will settle for a 65"

My main problem is that I would like to get a TV with the active 3D feature. My trusty old Samsung plasma has begun having some strange picture issues and the latest and greatest TV that still had 3D were these Z9D's.

So my questions are as follows:


1. To any of the 65" owners, did you feel as if you missed out in anything from not getting the 75" version? (size difference excluded)

2. If you couldn't get a Z9D what model Sony 3D TV would you settle for? (preferably with similar feature set as Z9D)



I would appreciate any input as all my options are used market TV's and the very last option for me would be to forgo the 3D (really don't want to) option and go for either 75" Z9F or X950G.
PM me if you are interested in a used 75 Z9d. Mint condition.

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All three of my TVs start up and they like to do a dance where I get a notification that says switching to external, then to internal, then eventually it goes back to external. They are all connected to different model AVRs and a pre-pro. I have seen this behavior since launch. The most annoying is when they decide they want to play audio through the internal and external simultaneously.
I have the same problem. Didn't used to and I haven't changed a thing, but now have this audio source switching problem.

Apple TV4K controls everything. Sometimes the switching stays at TV Audio and I have to use the Sony remote to change to my AVR audio (Denon X3400H).
The only thing I really use the AppleTV for is for ATTNow streaming TV. If I ever learn how to sideload I guess I could ditch the ATV.

For now, its just frustrating. ATTNow may just die soon and I won't have to deal with it at all.
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I've checked out the passive 3D on one of the 2016 LG OLEDs of a buddy of mine, and IMHO the 3D is noticably better than on the Z9D. Crosstalk is almost nonexistent, contrast is better and overall I would say it's more pleasing and easier on the eyes.

Really made me wish Sony had released the A1 that same year, as surely it would have been a 3D enabled TV. I definitely would have gotten it just for the 3D alone then...
If you have a 75 z9d cross talk and ghosting are also non-existent with the correct motion settings. Standard eliminates all cross talk, ghosting, and not even a hint of flicker. Very close to passive 3d. Unfortunately I don't think it's the same for the 65 since they used different panels...
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I have the same problem. Didn't used to and I haven't changed a thing, but now have this audio source switching problem.

Apple TV4K controls everything. Sometimes the switching stays at TV Audio and I have to use the Sony remote to change to my AVR audio (Denon X3400H).
The only thing I really use the AppleTV for is for ATTNow streaming TV. If I ever learn how to sideload I guess I could ditch the ATV.

For now, its just frustrating. ATTNow may just die soon and I won't have to deal with it at all.
Have you setup a new receiver/audio device? If so, you may need to perform a HDMI refresh and setup CEC commands again.

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Have you setup a new receiver/audio device? If so, you may need to perform a HDMI refresh and setup CEC commands again.
Nope. I have changed nothing.
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Nope. I have changed nothing.
Def sounds like a HDMI handshake issue. I would reset all the HDMI ports and see if that clears them out.

Unplug all the HDMI cables and then unplug the power cables and let them sit for about 10 minutes. Turn them back on and reconnect the HDMI cables 1 by 1. See if that helps.

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PM me if you are interested in a used 75 Z9d. Mint condition.
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Tried PM'ing you and the website says I need 15 total posts to be able to. I do not know if you received the message I sent the other day.

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If you have a 75 z9d cross talk and ghosting are also non-existent with the correct motion settings. Standard eliminates all cross talk, ghosting, and not even a hint of flicker. Very close to passive 3d. Unfortunately I don't think it's the same for the 65 since they used different panels...
I own both the 65" and 75".

You might remember we've had this conversation before regarding the crosstalk "fix" for the 75", and with all due respect, I do not share your opinion on it. I did extensive testing last year using a couple of 3D titles with all the Motionflow setting variations, and even though it kind of works on a couple of occassions, it sometimes makes no difference at all. The 65" indeed uses a different panel and has worse crosstalk in general, with the Motionflow setting making it actually worse.

I have also tried all other settings and "tricks" as suggested by others, as well as different kind of 3D glasses, but you just can't get rid of the crosstalk. It's the nature of the beast unfortunately. I've been buying Sony (active) 3D TVs since they first appeared and it has always been like that, though they did get better towards the end (X940D, 75Z9D).
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I own both the 65" and 75".

You might remember we've had this conversation before regarding the crosstalk "fix" for the 75", and with all due respect, I do not share your opinion on it. I did extensive testing last year using a couple of 3D titles with all the Motionflow setting variations, and even though it kind of works on a couple of occassions, it sometimes makes no difference at all. The 65" indeed uses a different panel and has worse crosstalk in general, with the Motionflow setting making it actually worse.

I have also tried all other settings and "tricks" as suggested by others, as well as different kind of 3D glasses, but you just can't get rid of the crosstalk. It's the nature of the beast unfortunately. I've been buying Sony (active) 3D TVs since they first appeared and it has always been like that, though they did get better towards the end (X940D, 75Z9D).
I have never done any extensive testing, I just watched a few 3d movies. The only movies I have noticed issues on is Marvel's Avengers Infinity War and Thor Ragnarok. I don't think these issues are with the tv though but rather the discs themselves. There are times when the left or right far edges of the screen seem to be missing part of the image. If you watch it without the glasses on you can tell the issue is present there also, it's like it's missing some information.

The biggest difference using "Standard" motionflow made was it eliminated flicker completely which was the main reason I never really enjoyed active 3d. That was my biggest issue. I don't ever see any ghosting and haven't ever really noticed any cross talk, but I haven't done extensive testing.

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I have never done any extensive testing, I just watched a few 3d movies. The only movies I have noticed issues on is Marvel's Avengers Infinity War and Thor Ragnarok. I don't think these issues are with the tv though but rather the discs themselves. There are times when the left or right far edges of the screen seem to be missing part of the image. If you watch it without the glasses on you can tell the issue is present there also, it's like it's missing some information.

The biggest difference using "Standard" motionflow made was it eliminated flicker completely which was the main reason I never really enjoyed active 3d. That was my biggest issue. I don't ever see any ghosting and haven't ever really noticed any cross talk, but I haven't done extensive testing.
I've noticed that too, when the far edges (both right and left) of the screen are basically double images so to speak. It's rather annoying when you really pay attention to it, and it seems to be more apparent with the few Disney 3D Blu-rays I own. I seem to remember reading something about it and it having a particular reason for being so.

And I agree that enabling Motionflow during 3D on the 75Z9D gets rid of the flickering.
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I picked up the tx-nr686 on bf sale. Pretty happy with it so far, particularly the thx sound processing. No major issues with 3d or 4k passthrough to the tv. And no issues with ARC so far, which I was concerned about.
After having listened to my Z9D through a Yamaha soundbar and Klipsch sub for just over a year, I decided to invest in a decent surround sound system and couldn't pass up the 2018 Onkyo TX-NR686 7.2 receiver for a mere $250 at Best Buy. I mated it to the Pioneer Andrew Jones towers and center, then upgraded to the Pioneer Atmos surrounds in a 5.1.2 setup. Like you, I've had absolutely no compatibility issues so far with the Z9D. My X700 4K Blu-ray plays Dolby Vision perfectly and my 4K Roku streams HDR10 as it should. Thanks to all the real audiophiles on this thread for all the valuable tips on setting up an AVR with the ZD9. This is definitely the most helpful thread I subscribe to.
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@RobKnapp > You and others may find this interesting. I used your 3D settings again to sample Aquaman in 3D, but instead of buying the disc or Vudu version, I decided to try out the "free" HBO on demand offering on my crappy Spectrum 1080i cable feed. I must say I was pleasantly surprised as the PQ was very close to the other formats, with minimal crosstalk (for the 65") and good brightness and color. I am impressed by this, though the more 3D I watch, the more I consider trying to track down a used LG C6 to use exclusively for 3D in a dedicated extra room.
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@RobKnapp > You and others may find this interesting. I used your 3D settings again to sample Aquaman in 3D, but instead of buying the disc or Vudu version, I decided to try out the "free" HBO on demand offering on my crappy Spectrum 1080i cable feed. I must say I was pleasantly surprised as the PQ was very close to the other formats, with minimal crosstalk (for the 65") and good brightness and color. I am impressed by this, though the more 3D I watch, the more I consider trying to track down a used LG C6 to use exclusively for 3D in a dedicated extra room.
At this point I’m not even sure if it’s worth getting an used OLED, unless you can get one with minimal use but the price is prohibitive for an almost 5 year old set. My concern would be the use of the TV, we all know the potential for burn in on those.

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At this point I’m not even sure if it’s worth getting an used OLED, unless you can get one with minimal use but the price is prohibitive for an almost 5 year old set. My concern would be the use of the TV, we all know the potential for burn in on those.
I agree with all the OLED concerns, which is why I don't own one. I was speaking specifically about the superior passive 3D image of the LG C6 compared to the active 3D on the Z9D, particularly those of us who own the 65".

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Was on reddit the other day and found an interesting post (no idea if the source is credible) all Sony Tvs that will not be getting Pie update (Z9D is one of them) will receive an update latter this year with what looks like a "make up" for Oreo to look like Pie at least on home screen and how settings are organized and displayed also the possibility of AirPlay functionality. I don't care about the looks but Airplay is something I am really interested in, hope its true.

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Was on reddit the other day and found an interesting post (no idea if the source is credible) all Sony Tvs that will not be getting Pie update (Z9D is one of them) will receive an update latter this year with what looks like a "make up" for Oreo to look like Pie at least on home screen and how settings are organized and displayed also the possibility of AirPlay functionality. I don't care about the looks but Airplay is something I am really interested in, hope its true.
e-ARC would be a welcome edition.

Would be able to output 7.1 via arc and from what I understand the hdmi 2.0 hardware just needs a software update to incorporate.
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Does the Oreo update reduce input lag for 1080P sources?

I came across this post on RTINGS forum and I am wondering if anyone else has been able to verify this?

https://www.rtings.com/tv/discussion...uced-input-lag

I’m still on Nougat for fear of this issues people are having with Oreo. My TV runs very stable but I wold love the improvements Oreo introduces without the bugs I see reported. Reduced input lag would definitely make me reconsider that though.




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