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post #91 of 436 Old 08-27-2016, 12:44 PM
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Yes, I use ARC but only for casting. Everything else goes through the X2200W.



Each Quick Select has it's own Video Monitor Settings, which is it what we need to take advantage of because dual output doesn't work on mismatched HDMI ports.



QS1 sets the video output to only Monitor 1 and the Game input and this is connect to P65 HDMI-1.

QS2 sets the video output to only Monitor 2 and the Game input and this is connect to P65 HDMI-5.

QS3 could be used to switch to TV audio input I suppose, but it seems like a waste of a quick select.



I just hit the TV button on the remote when I switch the P65 to casting. (Before the latest P65 firmware my x2200w would automatically go to the TV input when I switched to Cast input which was nice)



As far as running out of quick selects, that depends on your setup. There are only 4 to play with.


First off thanks for the very detailed tips! This seems to work for the HDMI inputs, but I'm still having some trouble with ARC, like if I turn my TV on to cast and switch it to TV audio ARC doesn't work. But if I first switch it to HDMI 1 with a Monitor 1 device, have that sync and then move to Cast/TV audio it seems to work fine. Are you able to have your receiver set to TV Audio and TV set to cast, turn both off and then turn both on and they work perfectly fine without switching inputs?

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Here is what I have so far setting up my Xbox-One S:

1. Using the HDMI cable that came with the X1S I connected from HDMI out to HDMI Port 4 (I watch more movies and streaming than playing games)

2. On your Vizio tablet go into the display settings\Inputs\HDMI Color Subsampling and turn it on for the HDMI port connected to the XS1 (That way when you setup the XS1 you can check off HDR)

3. Connect an Optical cable directly from the X1S to the Optical in on the Sound bar (I have a Vizio SB4551-D5 sound bar). I do get 5.1 surround on content that has it.

4. Here are the audio settings on the X1S:

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5. Video out settings on XS1:

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6. Advanced Video settings on XS1:

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7. 4K TV Details. Note 4K @ 50Hz is for Europe so it won't have a green check mark.

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This is my first setup and as we go on folks may find better settings. If I've made any errors please correct me.
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3. Connect an Optical cable directly from the X1S to the Optical in on the Sound bar (I have a Vizio SB4551-D5 sound bar). I do get 5.1 surround on content that has it.
What happens if the Optical out from the display is connected to your sound bar? Is it limited to stereo?
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What happens if the Optical out from the display is connected to your sound bar? Is it limited to stereo?
I didn't try that as I use the HDMI 1 ARC port to connect to the sound bar from the Display. That seems to work best using my Nvidia Shield TV with HDMI audio.

I figured keep it simple :-)

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Oh boy now this is my type of thread! Here's a snippet of my Vizio D40u in my new cabinet!

Anyway enough with the videos, I've been going back and forth between the TVs and while contrast is superior on the P75, I feel the game's a bit less blurry and felt better on the D40u. Could it be because I'm sitting 2ft away vs 8ft? Perhaps I'll have to do more testing. If anyone is doing lag tests I'd like to see which methods you're all using.
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Do you know the specs of each HDMI port 1-5?? Vizio site does show what they are like it does for it's other displays? What are the chroma values? 4:4:0, etc????????

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Do you know the specs of each HDMI port 1-5?? Vizio site does show what they are like it does for it's other displays? What are the chroma values? 4:4:0, etc????????
From what I've been reading the Vizio P series doesn't do 4:4:4 properly. In the owner's thread a poster said that he got word from Vizio being resolved in the next firmware update. As it stands right now the TV accepts the 4:4:4 signal but it looks closer to 4:2:2. I know it's confusing but hopefully the next firmware update settles things for all the Vizio owners.

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From what I've been reading the Vizio P series doesn't do 4:4:4 properly. In the owner's thread a poster said that he got word from Vizio being resolved in the next firmware update. As it stands right now the TV accepts the 4:4:4 signal but it looks closer to 4:2:2. I know it's confusing but hopefully the next firmware update settles things for all the Vizio owners.

Remember Vizio is the only vendor I know that has a [email protected] mode.
Sorry, I was talking about you D40u that you mentioned in post 84...... The P series has the HDMI specs for Chroma listed. It's the D series I'm wondering about? I have one coming Fri to use as a monitor and got concerned about text readability?

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Sorry, I was talking about you D40u that you mentioned in post 84...... The P series has the HDMI specs for Chroma listed. It's the D series I'm wondering about? I have one coming Fri to use as a monitor and got concerned about text readability?
4:2:0 on HDMI 5 with [email protected] In windows 7 I'm using DPI scaling of 200% and it looks stellar. In fact I'm using it right now on a break from DOOM.

Remember 1080p/120hz and [email protected] I have messed around and have seen this 40" D series TV take some nice resolutions from my GTX 1080. For instance 2560x1440 worked fine as as 1024x768. It's strange that a TV would work with these PC resolutions, but here we are.

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4:2:0 on HDMI 5 with [email protected] In windows 7 I'm using DPI scaling of 200% and it looks stellar. In fact I'm using it right now on a break from DOOM.

Remember 1080p/120hz and [email protected] I have messed around and have seen this 40" D series TV take some nice resolutions from my GTX 1080. For instance 2560x1440 worked fine as as 1024x768. It's strange that a TV would work with these PC resolutions, but here we are.
So, to you text is fine????????? I'll see what you're talking about, Fri or Saturday. I run Win 10; so we'll see what the scaling looks like. Since this is a TV; it upscales everthing less than native 2160P.. This was not for gaming and a way to consolidate a 3 monitor setup...Thanks
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So, to you text is fine????????? I'll see what you're talking about, Fri or Saturday. I run Win 10; so we'll see what the scaling looks like. Since this is a TV; it upscales everthing less than native 2160P.. This was not for gaming and a way to consolidate a 3 monitor setup...Thanks
Look at my post with the first video. I clearly show the desktop.
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Oh boy now this is my type of thread! Here's a snippet of my Vizio D40u in my new cabinet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_GWnhenVmo

Oh this is a P-series thread? Well my P75 would be a bit too large for an arcade cabinet. Both TVs are compatible with the OSSC's line triple mode as shown here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrcFt8WNAIw

Anyway enough with the videos, I've been going back and forth between the TVs and while contrast is superior on the P75, I feel the game's a bit less blurry and felt better on the D40u. Could it be because I'm sitting 2ft away vs 8ft? Perhaps I'll have to do more testing. If anyone is doing lag tests I'd like to see which methods you're all using.

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Look at my post with the first video. I clearly show the desktop.
I did and thank you.... That convinced me to NOT cancel the D40u. Did you try the other HDMI ports to see their color space? And I have a Club 3D display port converter coming also. This will allow DP signal straight thru on an HDMI cable...........

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I did and thank you.... That convinced me to NOT cancel the D40u. Did you try the other HDMI ports to see their color space? And I have a Club 3D display port converter coming also. This will allow DP signal straight thru on an HDMI cable...........
I haven't tried out the other ports as I'm a gamer. What's your gpu? I'm using the hdmi 2.0 port from my gpu.

It does show 4:4:4 when I set the resolution to 1080p/120hz. Personally I like the way 4k looks a lot better.

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I haven't tried out the other ports as I'm a gamer. What's your gpu? I'm using the hdmi 2.0 port from my gpu.
It does show 4:4:4 when I set the resolution to 1080p/120hz. Personally I like the way 4k looks a lot better.
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I do not plan to game at this time..... GPU is GTX 650Ti and NOT capable of FULL 4K. CPU is a i7-4790 with built in Intel 4600 and has a higher resolution, I believe. I will try both and report, later.....I normally do low level CAD drawing and simple sign cutting and genealogy.......

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I do not plan to game at this time..... GPU is GTX 650Ti and NOT capable of FULL 4K. CPU is a i7-4790 with built in Intel 4600 and has a higher resolution, I believe. I will try both and report, later.....I normally do low level CAD drawing and simple sign cutting and genealogy.......
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8191/n...upport-kind-of

There was a driver that nvidia released that allowed their cards to do [email protected] with 4:2:0. You might want to update your drivers before installing. Your display port adapter might not be necessary.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/8191/n...upport-kind-of
There was a driver that nvidia released that allowed their cards to do [email protected] with 4:2:0. You might want to update your drivers before installing. Your display port adapter might not be necessary.
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My drivers were up to date as of last week. I'll read your link. Anand tech has always been good.

I got the adapter, in case..... I plan on adding a M80 to my great room later. I have a HTPC in there with Win 10.......That has a 660Ti card and may need help......

Earlier, you mentioned 1440P and using 1024x768 resolution and wondered how that worked? Remember the TV UPCONVERTS everything to it's NATIVE resolution of 2160P...Can't stop that, I believe.

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My drivers were up to date as of last week. I'll read your link. Anand tech has always been good.

I got the adapter, in case..... I plan on adding a M80 to my great room later. I have a HTPC in there with Win 10.......That has a 660Ti card and may need help......

Earlier, you mentioned 1440P and using 1024x768 resolution and wondered how that worked? Remember the TV UPCONVERTS everything to it's NATIVE resolution of 2160P...Can't stop that, I believe.
I know it converts it, I was just surprised that it could accept those resolutions. Lots of other tv's won't display a signal at all.

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I know it converts it, I was just surprised that it could accept those resolutions. Lots of other tv's won't display a signal at all.

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If you purchase a receiver with dual outputs you could have the best of both worlds. Hdmi 1 for movies and Hdmi 5 for games...
The problem is AVR's add input lag. No one really tests them either, so no one really knows what the added lag is, or the extent to which you can minimize it with pass through or turning off video processing options, etc. etc. This is discussed sometimes on this forum, see e.g. here. I would assume that eliminating all processing (if you can do that) would reduce or eliminate added lag but you never know. So if you are using HDMI5 over HDMI1 to gain that extra frame of input lag, you could very well be losing it anyway if there is an AVR in the mix.

If you are truly chasing the lowest lag you can, and want one input to two outputs (e.g. an Xbox going into both HDMI1 and 5), use a splitter.

Personally, the single frame difference on HDMI 1 v 5 wouldn't bother me very much, and I would just feed everything directly to the TV and use an optical out either from the source or the TV...
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Has anyone compared how the Xbox One S upscales 1080p content vs. using the Vizio's built in upscaler? I've read both that the Xbox One S upscales pretty similar to a TV upscaler and I've also read that it is a step above most TV upscalers. So I am curious if anyone has tested this?

I imagine having the Xbox upscale vs. the TV would reduce input lag since the TV is doing less processing not having to upscale, which may come in handy with HDR gaming.
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Has anyone compared how the Xbox One S upscales 1080p content vs. using the Vizio's built in upscaler? I've read both that the Xbox One S upscales pretty similar to a TV upscaler and I've also read that it is a step above most TV upscalers. So I am curious if anyone has tested this?

I imagine having the Xbox upscale vs. the TV would reduce input lag since the TV is doing less processing not having to upscale, which may come in handy with HDR gaming.
Not with XB1-S, but I've compared PC 1080p scaled to 4K via a GTX1070 video card vs. the TV scaling on a P50.

I don't think there's much lag difference, if any, in terms of which end the hardware scaling is done. But I like having the TV do the scaling, mostly because it locks the desktop and game resolution to 1080p for convenience. And I've found the TV scales games to 4K very nicely.

Text, OTOH, is only serviceable on my display, albeit looks pretty much the same at both 1080p and 4k with equal font sizes.

I'll be interested in how the PS4 Pro's "Checkerboard Scaling" looks in Nov..
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Not with XB1-S, but I've compared PC 1080p scaled to 4K via a GTX1070 video card vs. the TV scaling on a P50.

I don't think there's much lag difference, if any, in terms of which end the hardware scaling is done. But I like having the TV do the scaling, mostly because it locks the desktop and game resolution to 1080p for convenience. And I've found the TV scales games to 4K very nicely.

Text, OTOH, is only serviceable on my display, albeit looks pretty much the same at both 1080p and 4k with equal font sizes.

I'll be interested in how the PS4 Pro's "Checkerboard Scaling" looks in Nov..
Quantum Break uses a very similar upscaling approach at first glance to checkerboard upscaling in order to get a 1080p framebuffer from 4 4xMSAA 720p frames. It works quite well on the xbox one and if it weren't for all the many alpha effects being used post-process, it probably would have been very unnoticeable without looking closely.

I only have seen the xbox version, but I would be very curious to see how the PC version stacks up at 4K, reconstructing from 4 4xMSAA 1080p frames to get that 4K image. I imagine it looks quite amazing.
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I posted in the main thread, but I'll try here too. So with the latest ps4 update it added HDR. So when I enable those settings on the ps4 and turn on hdmi color subsampling on the input, I have a greenish hue to everything and it doesn't seem as sharp. I've tried different inputs and cables with the same results. Am I doing something wrong?
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Rtings Updated the HDR Lag input for the P series. Just found out myself after opening my new P55 - rtings updated : Update 09/14/2016: Input lag at both 1080p and 4k with an HDR signal is higher due to the fact that the faster HDMI port 5 can't transmit the HDR signal, so you need to use the slower HDMI port and it result in a higher input lag. At around 63ms, it not very good for gaming.

Kind of put a damper on opening up the new toy. I preordered the ps4 pro, so kind of dissapointed in that.

Can a firmware update input lag on HDR and adjust HDR into HDMI 5 with low input lag?
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I posted in the main thread, but I'll try here too. So with the latest ps4 update it added HDR. So when I enable those settings on the ps4 and turn on hdmi color subsampling on the input, I have a greenish hue to everything and it doesn't seem as sharp. I've tried different inputs and cables with the same results. Am I doing something wrong?
Getting the same thing, not sure why. Has any heard if this is happening on other displays?
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Rtings Updated the HDR Lag input for the P series. Just found out myself after opening my new P55 - rtings updated : Update 09/14/2016: Input lag at both 1080p and 4k with an HDR signal is higher due to the fact that the faster HDMI port 5 can't transmit the HDR signal, so you need to use the slower HDMI port and it result in a higher input lag. At around 63ms, it not very good for gaming.

Kind of put a damper on opening up the new toy. I preordered the ps4 pro, so kind of dissapointed in that.

Can a firmware update input lag on HDR and adjust HDR into HDMI 5 with low input lag?

HDMI 5 does not support HDR due to not going through the soc for processing.

And after reading the KS8000 and the other cheaper models HDR lag times, I really hope they can update to get ours lower than the 62-65ms.

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Yeah, there's tradeoffs between different displays. Remember that the P-series has pretty awesome FALD. And other TVs, especially some of the Sonys, have worse lag then what's being reported on the Vizios.

~63ms of lag isn't great for quick action and crucial timing in gameplay, but some games don't really need much precision - I'm thinking of games like Mass Effect. Even Forza might be fairly playable with HDR on. Hopefully we will be able to toggle HDR off to get back to sub-40ms at 4K for games that require quick response time. If not, we can always forgo HDR and switch back to 1080p upscaled on input 5, which is super-precise, and to my eyes still looks pretty freaking awesome. Not the best solution, but the choice is there: pretty vs. fast response.

SPECULATION: I have a feeling that the Dolby Vision chip is to blame for the processing involved in converting to HDR10, and I'm doubtful there's anything that could be done with this. Unless either Vizio or Dolby can figure out how to do some sort of "game mode" for the DV chip to go into HDR10 without the extra processing the chip requires, but that seems like wishful thinking.

Fingers crossed for Vizio!!!!
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Heh, 65ms for HDR. Saw that coming. Getting an active reload in Gears4 is going to be nearly impossible. Should look pretty though.

I am currently gaming at 65ms on this tv playing DOOM etc online. Its not noticeable at 65ms. If you were to get 90ms and above, then its terrible.
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I am currently gaming at 65ms on this tv playing DOOM etc online. Its not noticeable at 65ms. If you were to get 90ms and above, then its terrible.
Actually you're gaming at about 19ms right now if you're playing Doom with port5. Doom is not an HDR game.
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