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View Poll Results: At what screen size does a TV viewing experience morph into a home theater
40" and above 4 0.94%
48" and above 12 2.81%
55" and above 57 13.35%
65" and above 130 30.44%
70" and above 71 16.63%
77" and above 16 3.75%
85" and above 28 6.56%
100" and above 40 9.37%
No TVs, please. Projectors rule! 69 16.16%
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Yup. It all depends on how close you are going to sit.
Some irony in the fact that with a big VA LCD screen, if you sit close and in the center, then there is a technical benefit to the curve.

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Some irony in the fact that with a big VA LCD screen, if you sit close and in the center, then there is a technical benefit to the curve.
Yes... but just for you! The rest of the family sees a geometrically distorted image. But they probably don't care.

As you can tell... not a fan of curved anything.
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Yes... but just for you! The rest of the family sees a geometrically distorted image. But they probably don't care.

As you can tell... not a fan of curved anything.
Well, irony and all that...
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I have to vote projector. Have a 2.35:1 , 138 inch AT screen and with the speakers behind the screen it becomes so much more of a movie experience. If I didn't have the room I would say a kick ass 70+ inch from 6-8 foot away would be nice. I think my first row is like 9-10 foot from the 138 inch lol. I game on a 40in 4k curved Samsung sitting on my desk in arms reach or so. Think anything that can fill up your field of view can be enjoyable for movie watching..
Seems to me that there are two things here. A pleasant movie experience and a movie experience which resembles a movie theatre experience. When it comes down to it home theatre at its core is to evoke the movie theatre ambience and as such one needs a screen size beyond what TVs currently can deliver.
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I sit ~12ft from my 65" screen, and enjoy it at that distance. There is a chair in the room that is much closer - probably around 8ft. At that distance I can get dizzy. 120" screen? No thanks. These things can get bright nowadays, especially with HDR and such. I'd rather keep my brain unfried.

You guys who want to sit 4ft from a 75" and such, more power to you. I'll lump you in as the same kind of crazy as the guys with rooms full of subs looking to hit 150db at 15hz.

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I sit ~12ft from my 65" screen, and enjoy it at that distance. There is a chair in the room that is much closer - probably around 8ft. At that distance I can get dizzy. 120" screen? No thanks. These things can get bright nowadays, especially with HDR and such. I'd rather keep my brain unfried.

You guys who want to sit 4ft from a 75" and such, more power to you. I'll lump you in as the same kind of crazy as the guys with rooms full of subs looking to hit 150db at 15hz.
lol really.... an image that is small 8-12 ft away gets you dizzy? alrighty then. I hate to see you in VR lol.

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So she saw the Samsung UN75JU7100 - she got that, from me, for our anniversary.
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Interesting question and a few thoughts:

Are you seeking to replicate a public movie experience, create a showcase or discussion platform for your expertise to be shared with others, or create your own private movie experience? The experience of a small 10 x10 room designed for two people with a 55" screen and a 5 foot viewing distance was superior to practically every other home theater I've been invited to share for the specific enjoyment of watching a film.

While pure enjoyment of a film is often cited as a primary objective and the driver of design and equipment purchases, in reality it is a secondary consideration with the creation of a social space that provides the most enjoyment.

To that end, what do enjoy watching? Sports with a group of friends? The latest blockbusters? Independent or classic films? Is gaming or a social space with audio taking precedence over visual a consideration?

The size of the TV is really a reflection of the design of the space. Personally, I'm not a big fan of huge screens in huge, sterile rooms located in someone's house for movie watching, especially if the ceiling is low, but like I said, horses for courses and to each their own.
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For a true home theater the screen must be 100" + and a projector is the only affordable option right now. Anything smaller is just a media room or if you sit close enough its a personal viewing booth.
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I would say it has more to do with the size of the room and number of viewers than any set number. Generally speaking, 55" would be about the smallest I would go based on feature set and such, but if you have a 1 person home theater, I don't see why it couldn't be smaller. If anything we should be voting on some kind of ratio of average viewer distance to screen and viewing angle.
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lol really.... an image that is small 8-12 ft away gets you dizzy? alrighty then. I hate to see you in VR lol.
This may come as a shock to you, but not everyone wants Whoopi Goldberg's head to be 10 feet high in their living room.

Besides, as a measure of what a cinematic experience should be, the audio part of it is typically much more difficult and expensive to achieve. A nice display will look pretty much the same in any room with a similar lighting level. Sound is much more tricky.

Perhaps we should be asking the same question, but in relation to minimum speaker configurations, acoustical treatments, SPL capability and frequency extension.
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Bigger is better and you have to see it to believe it. IMO this is where the market is headed and it will have a faster adoption rate than 4k, HDR and any other picture enhancing technology. With almost all new TVs being of the 4k variety, bigger screens just make more sense. I'm very surprised no one has released a cheap, no frills 100" 1080p TV yet. Remember the majority of content we view is widescreen so at 100" diagonal, a 16:9 image is only 4' tall. 2:35 content, even shorter.

They have the ultra short throw projectors with the special screens that go with them and it's just insane that, even though they exist and are very popular overseas, there is literally no presence here in the states. Right now, you can get an Optoma GT5500 and the matching 100" ALR100 screen for under $2500. The screen ships rolled up on a tube and assembles like a poster frame. 30lbs tops, one person can hang it up themselves. From all the European reviews I've read of this combo, the screen actually retains contrast quite well in all lighting conditions and does a good job pretending to be a huge LED. Just a shame they are not getting more interest as they would sell if the average consumer simply knew they exist. The marketing departments at Optoma and Viewsonic (currently the only two brands with 1080p UST models in the US) need a serious overhaul in this regard.

Take a look at this video of the Philips Screeneo projector with said Optoma screen and ask yourself how is this not selling?

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The best size is always 10" bigger than the TV you currently own

Of course it depends on seating distance as others have pointed out. I'd say that 65" is the bare minimum for starters though. I staretd my TV hobby with a 32" flat panel and am currently at 64". Looking to go 75" now. It never ends
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I set up an unfinished corner of my basement, optimized for 7.4.4 Atmos/DTS:X audio as a multi-purpose TV/Movie/Sports/Concert/Music space.
I already had a 50" Pioneer Kuro plasma on an extendable wall mount that would bring the screen forward 20" to about a 7' viewing distance. But it was not a HT yet!

...Great for regular cable HDTV, but when its movie time, the TV gets pushed back flat to the wall,
and I drop the remote controlled electric screen down (120") kill the lights and turn on the PJ and enjoy from a 9' viewing distance.











and with all the house lights off...

Boom! Home Theater


I've sat as close as ~4' from my 50" TV and it's definitely NOT all about the viewing angles and seating distance,
if it were, you could simply watch movies on your iphone holding it just a few inches from your face and achieve the same thing,
is it as immersive optically? Heck No!

I do believe in Big picture and Big audio to go along with it, for Real Immersion.
and see/hear no issue if it takes 4 large subs to pressurize a room, it doesn't have to blow your ear drums out,
...its all about calibration and balance, no different than taking your LCD TV out of torch mode that the brick and mortar stores use for display.

Roger Waters: The Wall on a screen~9' wide from a 9' viewing distance, with 7.4.4 Atmos just feels more like being there than watching in on a TV







That's what I'm in projection for, not watching Whoopie Goldbergs 10 foot head
BTW, Happy to say Whoopie has never made an appearance on my big screen, and even if she did,
max head size on a close up with a widescreen movie ~36"

I don't have an issue at all with This at just over 45" tall...











...and that's just 1080p Bluray

4K/UHD/HDR takes everything up another notch:





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Poll: What is the Minimum Size TV Screen for a Home Theater?

For immersive feel when the seat distance = screen width that is it for HT.



Since these are 16:9 TV's, the width of TV still applies, as scope will be that width with black bars.



Hence, I can't answer the poll, because my reasoning is not there ....


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at noon today,just minutes ago, I just purchased a 65" OLED for watching TV on
to replace my aging 50" Pioneer Kuro that doesn't like to handshake with my newest 4K compliant toys.

Had to do it, it was $3000 off the Canadian MSRP
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Had to forgo the idea of establishing a 110" HT in the new place as it's not practical this time around. The room is smaller and there are just too many windows with nice blinds that came with the house. Settling for a 75" Sony TV as my HT this time around. The rest of the setup will carry over, the components + speakers. I for one would say that at minimum a 100" screen w/ projector but for those who don't or can't do one, I'd say at the very least a 65" TV bare minimum and sitting accordingly to maximize immersion, to be even considered as a HT. Ideally 75" and above would be HT territory.

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Bigger is better, but not everyone has the means or the space to go big. I feel that a home theater is a space created with some thought to enjoy a movie in the highest quality possible with the means and space that one has.

I currently own a 65" tv which fits my small living room very nicely, but voted that 55" is the minimum size that allows someone to get a home theater experience.

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Although not as good click bait, I think this should be a poll about angle of view, not screen size.
I agree to a point. Sitting very close to a smaller screen just doesn't have the same gravitas, for a number of reasons, even if the angle of view is the same.
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I like the idea of a projector, especially with the additional flexibility you get for speaker placement since they can go behind the screen, but heirs just so ridiculously expensive to get a native 4K HDR projector.
I'm biding my time to upgrade my theater, until 4K HDR pjs come down into the reasonable price range. That said, I'd rather have a 10' image projected in 1080p, rec709 than a small TV screen in 4K HDR.
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From my understanding, it is directly related to subjectivity.


What ever the viewer thinks is best for his/her enjoyment


Since that is the sole purpose of a home theater.
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Depends on the room

Of course, it depends on the room.

You can have a full Atmos theater experience with a 55" in the right room *dedicated, solo:

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home theater: 55-85"
home cinema: 92" and above

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So many things go into a what might be a good screen size to constitute a home theater setting. Purists may want it to emulate an actual theater which is fine if you have the funds and space to do it. In that case a projector might be the way to go although one piece screen sizes are getting pretty large with good quality. Depending on the room size and seating parameters would determine a good scale for screen size. The key would be viewer immersion at any size. I can visualize a baby home theater environment with seating for maybe 3 or 4 people in a small room. I also like the ability to recline. Homeowners without, or don't want a dedicated space for a variety of reasons can still have an immersive experience when many controls are built in to ensure good viewing angles, sound dispersion, and ambient restrictions. A perforated screen is great if you go the projector route with maybe an 8 or 10 foot screen in a larger room. Proper tension of the screen is also important as well as selecting the right gain surface with careful attention to image stability and viewing angles. Finally, a home theater misses one important aspect of a commercial theater which is ease of use and operation. After all, part of the movie magic at the theater is sitting there with your popcorn and magically the action just starts rolling. So, in the end it's as subjective as it is objective getting the right proportions from screen to sound. I think the old standard parameter for screen size was seating 1.5-2 times the distance of screen width, but my memory may be faulty. So, if you have a 10' diagonal screen that would yield dimensions 6 by 8. So seating ideally would be 12-16 feet away to be immersive. I really don't like guidelines. It really matters what the overall size of the room is. How distant are the size walls? If they're closer or further it changes the perspective. Sound also changes visual cues. There are no easy answers, but there are certainly things you couldn't do to get a good result. The finer points would take a little research.
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home theater: 55-85"
home cinema: 92" and above
I like your post Must say though going through all kind of sizes, currently i am at 50'', at 46'' it started feeling like a cinematic experience, below that it was more like watching TV.
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Not that I've seen that many TVs, but I haven't seen a TV yet that gives me the "cinematic" feeling I get from a PJ. So I voted "No TVs, please. Projectors rule!"

(But if I were forced to replace my PJ w/ a TV, I would aim for 70" or larger.)
If I were forced to replace my PJ w/a TV, I would rethink my life's decisions and wonder how it came to that. As soon as I got my PJ, I never looked at flat panel TVs the same again, and even my mom's 70" in her living room seems puny.
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Although not as good click bait, I think this should be a poll about angle of view, not screen size.
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This.
Thats kind of like "Although I'm drinking orange juice right now, I wish it was apple juice." We'll drink some apple juice next time, there's always room for more polls.

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Had the PN64F8500 Plasma, but wife complained she wanted bigger. (No smart comments here!)
(Still can't get rid of it!)

So she saw the Samsung UN75JU7100 - she got that, from me, for our anniversary.
So 75" seems about right, has 4K UHD HDR, and 3D. Probably could have gone 85", BUT TOO BIG a price increase! Will survive till the 8Ks come out in 2019.
I own that Sammy plasma (ISF calibrated) love it - bigger is not always better (at least my wife tells me this) I could give a whit about UHD, HDR, 3D, yada yada yada oh and hyper real, that makes me laugh every time I read about it
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Though I moved into projection from flat panels years ago, I try not to be a projector snob. I personally just love watching movies and I'm thrilled to watch a movie with someone, friends or family, whether it's on my projection screen, in the movie theater, or at someone's house with an old cheap CRT.

As for the poll, obviously the results are going to be pretty subjective and arbitrary, full of caveats, but I would vote for 65". When I was feverishly evaluating every flat panel around, it was when the 65" models came out that for me it made the leap beyond "just TV" to an immersive size - that is a screen size that seemed big, that didn't require moving the chair to 4 feet in front of it, to appear a good size. In fact it was in preparation for buying
a 65" Panasonic plasma that led me to projection. I borrowed a pal's business projector to project a 65" image on my wall, to figure out where to put the screen and how to arrange the furniture for my new Cinematic Sized Plasma. But then I made the "mistake" at one point of zooming the picture larger, projection-sized, and once I experienced that level of immersion in my own home, there was no going back. I'm still thrilled by the image size and picture every time I used my projection set up.

And of course it depends on what you are used to. I was coming from a 42" plasma and I thought that an 85" diagonal projection screen would seem plenty big. Until I started zooming out larger and living with that. And larger. Until going back to 85" seemed small. I ended up going for about an 11 foot wide screen. And even having done that, this question of "cinematic size" remains pertinent for me, because I use a quirky Variable Size Image system, where I have up to 20 image size pre-sets depending on the source quality, or level of immersion I want. Sometimes I've even watching an 85" image size for that dense, punchy plasma-like quality. Other times over 10 feet wide 2:35:1 AR, and everything in between. The thing is that immersion is of course only one aspect of the experience. Generally speaking, picture quality tends to taper downward as the image gets bigger (so I'm always looking for that sweet spot). Sometimes a smaller image is over all more satisfying, sometimes a much larger image.
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