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Via Twitter TCL confirms the C and P Series are 60hz native.

https://twitter.com/TCL_USA/status/842159874964250624
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Im still interested, though I would have preferred 120hz.

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I wish they'd have gone the vizio route and dropped the tuner to save money and got it back via a 120hz panel but I get why they kept it. They specifically mentioned it in their CES presentation. I took it as a direct jab at vizio.
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I wish they'd have gone the vizio route and dropped the tuner to save money and got it back via a 120hz panel but I get why they kept it. They specifically mentioned it in their CES presentation. I took it as a direct jab at vizio.
I think these Roku TV's are marketed as a cord cutter TV so the tuner is a must. I personally want a tuner.

Hmmm....wait for the TCL to drop or jump in now on the Sony?
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I think these Roku TV's are marketed as a cord cutter TV so the tuner is a must. I personally want a tuner.

Hmmm....wait for the TCL to drop or jump in now on the Sony?
That's actually what I use my Roku P+ for. I have PS Vue, which I love, having a single remote for everything with voice search is awesome.
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That's actually what I use my Roku P+ for. I have PS Vue, which I love, having a single remote for everything with voice search is awesome.
How is the motion and judder on your current set? Do you watch any sports on it?
The one thing that worries me is the 60hz panel, but if done right shouldn't be an issue. The Sony i'm looking at is 120hz native
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How is the motion and judder on your current set? Do you watch any sports on it?
The one thing that worries me is the 60hz panel, but if done right shouldn't be an issue. The Sony i'm looking at is 120hz native
Well right now I have a 2016 Vizio P65. The reason I wanted the TCL is because I am not a fan of the smartcast feature that Vizio uses. The TCL checked all the same boxes

- FALD
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- Dolby Vision HDR

but the TCL had the Roku platform, a larger presence in the wide color gamut (closer to 100% compared to Vizio in the 80's) and lower over all cost BUT the lack of the 120hz panel is a killer for me since I notice judder and blur VERY easily and only being 60hz usually means that certain motion handling enhancements are missing usually in my experience.

As far as my current set, the motion handling is great/ That's one thing I feel the Vizio does great. I wish the TCL had the higher HZ panel but it doesn't. Maybe it will be reviewed very highly for motion but right now, it's just a bummer to me.

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Via Twitter TCL confirms the C and P Series are 60hz native.

https://twitter.com/TCL_USA/status/842159874964250624
I've read that 60Hz is fine for web based (Netflix et al) and OTA viewing (all 60 fps). For DVD BR viewing it might fall short(something about 24 fps conversions). Sine I'm mostly in the first camp it seems it will be fine for me.
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I've read that 60Hz is fine for web based (Netflix et al) and OTA viewing (all 60 fps). For DVD BR viewing it might fall short(something about 24 fps conversions). Sine I'm mostly in the first camp it seems it will be fine for me.
That's the opposite for me unfortunately as I am a big bluray watcher. Especially anime.
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QD vs phosphors

I had expected QD to be the driver for WCG in future displays. However, it seems FPS phosphors are winning most of the design wins. With white LEDs based on FPS phosphors in the BLU, no QDEF is needed to achieve a WCG, saving money.

QD market penetration remains limited to the very high end. The much, much higher volume consumer displays are using FPS phosphors. SS uses QD in their QLED series but not in their MU series. Sony "Trilumious" WCG technology is based on FPS phosphors.

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SS KS8000 (QD) 96% DCI, 74% REC 2020
Sony 900E (FPS) 96% DCI, 72% REC 2020

TCL P series plans to use FPS. When I first learned this I was disappointed. However, seeing that Sony using FPS achieves the same performance as SS with QD, I am encouraged.
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65" for $999

Per this AVS forum video starting at the 35 second mark:

50" $499, 65" $999, and one of the brightest DV sets available.

This set is looking more and more like an inexpensive way for me to get into 4k and HDR this year while waiting for state of the art technology ( QDCF/OLED ) to become more affordable down the road.


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Per this AVS forum video starting at the 35 second mark:

50" $499, 65" $999, and one of the brightest DV sets available.

This set is looking more and more like an inexpensive way for me to get into 4k and HDR this year while waiting for state of the art technology ( QDCF/OLED ) to become more affordable down the road.
This is my thinking as well. I game, and while the 60Hz, is a bit of a draw back, I have been needing an upgrade for a while, my current is a 2012 720P Dynex. I was looking to upgrade to a Philips 55PFL5602/F7, but then i saw this, i don't care much either way on motion blur, i watch alot more online than than on disc, but i always watch movies on disc. Sports, meh, i don't mind honestly. This seems the better value for the money. $499 50inch, 4K UHD, HDR10&Dolby Vision, WCG (which I was wanting from the Vizio a while ago) My other options were Hisense or Sharp, but the TCL has DV and WCG, at the relatively same price. This is gonna corner the market for ALOT of companies.
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Nothing wrong with enjoying Gundam . Have to admit I am digging the form factor of the C series. Despite being a 60hz I am seriously considering these units. I just think the value there is incredibly difficult to beat
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Did they ever say what the other size is? I wonder if that one will release later on.
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Interested to see if these come to Canada. As a gaming monitor and player for movies my wife isn't interested in the 50" ticks all of my boxes except 60Hz panel :/

Can't go wrong with that price though if pq is above average!
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Interested to see if these come to Canada. As a gaming monitor and player for movies my wife isn't interested in the 50" ticks all of my boxes except 60Hz panel :/

Can't go wrong with that price though if pq is above average!
I would definitely wait for a professional review, but if it is as bright as they say, it could use some kind of BLS (Back Light Scanning) mode to achieve an effective refresh rate of 120hz.
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I would definitely wait for a professional review, but if it is as bright as they say, it could use some kind of BLS (Back Light Scanning) mode to achieve an effective refresh rate of 120hz.
How bright and who is they?
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How bright and who is they?
If these are the DolbyVision and UHD Alliance ones then it would have to do over 1000 nits to get certification. TCL flagship X1 does 1500+ peak nits.
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the TCL had the Roku platform, a larger presence in the wide color gamut (closer to 100% compared to Vizio in the 80's)
Hold up, where'd you get that information about the color gamut? Are you talking about the 2017 TCLs, or some older ones? If the new P and C series have a really good color gamut like that then I will almost definitely return my Vizio P55 that I bought a couple weeks ago in exchange for a TCL 2017. Only additional specs I really need to know before buying is the input lag, and whether it can do 4k+HDR+4:4:4. The P55 has been serving me well so far and looks great, and I do think it's cool that it comes with the tablet, but I really really would prefer having a TV that has the apps actually ON the TV. As long as I can also cast from my smartphone in addition to having the apps built into the TV.

EDIT: I was just watching some videos from CES on the TCL sets, and the guy at the TCL booth said the C Series is only 400 nits peak brightness...isn't that really low? He said it like it was a big plus though.

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Hold up, where'd you get that information about the color gamut? Are you talking about the 2017 TCLs, or some older ones? If the new P and C series have a really good color gamut like that then I will almost definitely return my Vizio P55 that I bought a couple weeks ago in exchange for a TCL 2017. Only additional specs I really need to know before buying is the input lag, and whether it can do 4k+HDR+4:4:4. The P55 has been serving me well so far and looks great, and I do think it's cool that it comes with the tablet, but I really really would prefer having a TV that has the apps actually ON the TV. As long as I can also cast from my smartphone in addition to having the apps built into the TV.

EDIT: I was just watching some videos from CES on the TCL sets, and the guy at the TCL booth said the C Series is only 400 nits peak brightness...isn't that really low? He said it like it was a big plus though.
Yeah, Ive seen that video too.

400 Nits was considered very bright for SDR. So backlight scanning aka black frame insertion is an option. However it's on the dim side for HDR, though the highly touted 2016 Vizio P series cant do much above 500. shrugs

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Hmm, well I guess ultimately I just need to wait and see how the TCL P Series turns out. My 90 day Costco return window gets me into June, which should be long enough for these sets to be released. Hopefully Rtings will get their review up quickly after release so I can see some trustworthy input lag measurements. I'm also curious if these TCL TVs will have a game mode option, as it looks like their previous sets did not, according to Rtings, and the input lag was in upper 40s, so not particularly great for gaming (although at 43 ms input lag on my Vizio in non-Port-5 game mode, I don't think I really notice). I just wish they were out already...I want to know which TV I will be keeping long term! It seems like the price on the TCL P Series is too good to be true so I'm wondering where they're going to cut corners.
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Hold up, where'd you get that information about the color gamut? Are you talking about the 2017 TCLs, or some older ones? If the new P and C series have a really good color gamut like that then I will almost definitely return my Vizio P55 that I bought a couple weeks ago in exchange for a TCL 2017. Only additional specs I really need to know before buying is the input lag, and whether it can do 4k+HDR+4:4:4. The P55 has been serving me well so far and looks great, and I do think it's cool that it comes with the tablet, but I really really would prefer having a TV that has the apps actually ON the TV. As long as I can also cast from my smartphone in addition to having the apps built into the TV.

EDIT: I was just watching some videos from CES on the TCL sets, and the guy at the TCL booth said the C Series is only 400 nits peak brightness...isn't that really low? He said it like it was a big plus though.
Will link the video where they meet with the main editor of AVS and discuss it at CES. Give me a few secs and will edit this post with it.

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@theboomr here is the link to the vid where they state nearly 100% of the WCG. It will be at the 2:02 mark give or take a few secs. Also There are a few other interviews they did at CES including one with Scott, the main editor of AVS. Hope this helps I am in the same boat as you with my 90 day period taking me to mid June for my P65. Another thing I really like is the Roku interface because the casting tablet can be very frustrating at times.

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@Atharun18999 , thanks for the link! Hadn't seen that video. I notice that he only specifies "nearly 100%" for the C Series, and not the P Series...I hope the P Series also has the same WCG rating.

Definitely agree with you about the Roku interface. Also the fact that it has a TV tuner and can pause/rewind live TV means I don't even have to use my Xbox One with its USB tuner anymore! The only advantage the XB1 has over most TVs/tuners is that it can pause/rewind up to 30 minutes of live TV. And MS previously announced that they would add full DVR capability to the XB1, but then went back on that promise sometime last year. So if my TV could match the functionality of the Xbox, I can leave the Xbox turned off more often and save that little bit of power from not having it running all the time for simple TV watching.

Specs of these TCLs definitely sound great, it's really just a matter of waiting to see reviews of a few more specific things like how good the local dimming is, what the input lag is, and whether it can support 4k+HDR+4:4:4. God the wait is killing me.
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@Atharun18999 , thanks for the link! Hadn't seen that video. I notice that he only specifies "nearly 100%" for the C Series, and not the P Series...I hope the P Series also has the same WCG rating.

Definitely agree with you about the Roku interface. Also the fact that it has a TV tuner and can pause/rewind live TV means I don't even have to use my Xbox One with its USB tuner anymore! The only advantage the XB1 has over most TVs/tuners is that it can pause/rewind up to 30 minutes of live TV. And MS previously announced that they would add full DVR capability to the XB1, but then went back on that promise sometime last year. So if my TV could match the functionality of the Xbox, I can leave the Xbox turned off more often and save that little bit of power from not having it running all the time for simple TV watching.

Specs of these TCLs definitely sound great, it's really just a matter of waiting to see reviews of a few more specific things like how good the local dimming is, what the input lag is, and whether it can support 4k+HDR+4:4:4. God the wait is killing me.
You and I both brother. I love my Vizio P65 but having so much of the functionality built into and around the tablet get sold. It's a great concept. It really is but not so great in practice. I;d rather have a traditional remote and save the difference in cost. Also given that Roku is super smooth and user friendly it's an all in one solution for me. Can't wait for the reviews.

Just really wish it was a native 120hz panel
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Yeah the 60hz is the only real downside about these panels so far, and while that does make me a little sad, the amount of times I actually hook my PC up to the big screen is so minimal that it really shouldn't be a primary factor in my purchasing decisions. I like my 1440p 144hz monitor just fine If I do hook up to the big screen for PC games a stable 60 fps is fine anyway.
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I don't think any of the 2016 TCL 4k units are capable of displaying 4:4:4.

I sure hope they include it in the 2017s.
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The Hisense 65H9D should be 120Hz native and cost about the same price as the TCL P-series.

If the 65" C-Series is cheap enough I might get it. Don't see how I can go 60Hz after 7years @ 120Hz.

I don't get TCL. Why make a "videophile" TV and have it be 60Hz?

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The Hisense 65H9D should be 120Hz native and cost about the same price as the TCL P-series.

If the 65" C-Series is cheap enough I might get it. Don't see how I can go 60Hz after 7years @ 120Hz.

I don't get TCL. Why make a "videophile" TV and have it be 60Hz?
I had a a Hisense a few years back as an office TV. It was an H7 (I think) and was a solid unit. If that set has a true native 120hz panel and does both HDr and DV, I may consider that as an alternative.
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The Hisense 65H9D should be 120Hz native and cost about the same price as the TCL P-series.

If the 65" C-Series is cheap enough I might get it. Don't see how I can go 60Hz after 7years @ 120Hz.

I don't get TCL. Why make a "videophile" TV and have it be 60Hz?
Based on specs I've seen on various sites, the regular H9D series won't have FALD, and also lacks the Roku OS, as well as starting at $650 for the 50", whereas the smallest TCL P Series should be starting at $550. I'm also really not a fan of how Hisense is splitting up their lineup. They've only got Roku on some high end TVs and some low-end TVs, nothing in the middle; The only sets that are UHD Premium certified are too expensive; also, the regular H9D series specs say "Motion 120" refresh rate, which to me implies that it probably will only be a native 60hz panel, since most brands usually have marketing about their refresh rates at something higher than the actual native rate.

I dunno. I'll still keep my eye on the Hisense sets this year too, but TCL looks more promising to me. Of course it all depends on real world performance once they're actually released.
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