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The Hisense 65H9D should be 120Hz native and cost about the same price as the TCL P-series.

If the 65" C-Series is cheap enough I might get it. Don't see how I can go 60Hz after 7years @ 120Hz.

I don't get TCL. Why make a "videophile" TV and have it be 60Hz?
if it sells for $1000 its not "videophile". some corners have to be cut to stay under $1000.

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if it sells for $1000 its not "videophile". some corners have to be cut to stay under $1000.
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up to 40 times brighter

at the 42:20 mark

TCL P Series

"up to 40 times brighter than today's standard TVs"

??

The presenter mis speaks a number of times during his presentation. I wonder if he meant 4 times?

Still, 4x 230 (TCL FS3800) is 920 nits! not too bad.


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@TCL_USA says we won't have to wait much longer!
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End of May....That feels like forever away. I'm dying for the P Series to release so I can see some damn reviews on it! I need to know if I can return my Vizio P Series and be happy with a TCL P Series, or if the picture quality is going to be so significantly worse that I'll have to choose between keeping my Vizio P Series or returning it for a Sony x900e 49". I really don't want to go down from 55", but the performance of the x900e seems to be fantastic from everything I've read, and I'd really prefer having apps on the TV itself rather than the Vizio's tablet solution. On the other hand, if the TCL's picture quality really is good enough (especially the 72-zone FALD), I am pretty sure Roku TV would be my favorite option software-wise, because of its simplicity (for my wife) and the fact that it can pause/rewind live TV, which means I would no longer need to turn on my Xbox to watch over-air TV with that functionality. And of course the price of the TCL is in too-good-to-be-true territory if the picture quality is anywhere near the Vizio or Sony.
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End of May....That feels like forever away. I'm dying for the P Series to release so I can see some damn reviews on it! I need to know if I can return my Vizio P Series and be happy with a TCL P Series, or if the picture quality is going to be so significantly worse that I'll have to choose between keeping my Vizio P Series or returning it for a Sony x900e 49". I really don't want to go down from 55", but the performance of the x900e seems to be fantastic from everything I've read, and I'd really prefer having apps on the TV itself rather than the Vizio's tablet solution. On the other hand, if the TCL's picture quality really is good enough (especially the 72-zone FALD), I am pretty sure Roku TV would be my favorite option software-wise, because of its simplicity (for my wife) and the fact that it can pause/rewind live TV, which means I would no longer need to turn on my Xbox to watch over-air TV with that functionality. And of course the price of the TCL is in too-good-to-be-true territory if the picture quality is anywhere near the Vizio or Sony.
Do you live in the US? I believe the DVR feature is disabled in the US. Something about patents.
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My current TCL can pause live tv and the new S305 can according to the Manual
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My current TCL can pause live tv and the new S305 can according to the Manual
Maybe just limited to pause. No ability to record multiple programs and replay later?
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Correct. It is the ability to pause. I think it is limited to 30 minutes.
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Maybe just limited to pause. No ability to record multiple programs and replay later?
Yeah, I wasn't expecting full DVR functionality, just the pausing/rewinding capability, and 30 minutes sounds about right, since that's as much as my Xbox One can do as well.
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TCL says that the P series will be one of the brightest Dolby Vision sets this year. So it's got to be up near 1000 Nits.

They also said the lessor C series (which also lacks FALD) is around 400 Nits.

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TCL says that the P series will be one of the brightest Dolby Vision sets this year. So it's got to be up near 1000 Nits.

They also sad the lessor C series (which also lacks FALD) is around 400 Nits.
Reportedly, C series is highest price. P series best picture. S series lowest price.

I hope for 1000 units but I fear 500 nits.
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I hope it's closer to 1000 Nits than 400 Nits.

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Another set to consider as an alternative to these are the Hisense R8 and H9+ series. Seem to be pushing pretty hard to dethrone Vizio. In reality the Vizio P65 is a set that has everything you want (depending on streaming platform/tablet/smart OS preference)

The TCL P series comes closest aside from the refresh rate, the Hisense R8 comes damn close but unknown refresh rate and only one size. Going to be an interesting year for these 3 companies and great for consumers IMO.

Also, love the Roku interface more than most Smart OS so that makes the TCP and Hisense units really appealing to me..except for the gloss remote. I guess I just like the flat black remote more than the gloss lol

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Another set to consider as an alternative to these are the Hisense R8 and H9+ series. Seem to be pushing pretty hard to dethrone Vizio. In reality the Vizio P65 is a set that has everything you want (depending on streaming platform/tablet/smart OS preference)

The TCL P series comes closest aside from the refresh rate, the Hisense R8 comes damn close but unknown refresh rate and only one size. Going to be an interesting year for these 3 companies and great for consumers IMO.

Also, love the Roku interface more than most Smart OS so that makes the TCP and Hisense units really appealing to me..except for the gloss remote. I guess I just like the flat black remote more than the gloss lol
I can't afford anything bigger than 55" unfortunately. I have a Vizio P55 right now but I'm starting to realize I really don't like the fact that it relies entirely on casting from other devices. I like having that functionality but I'd prefer it to be in addition to apps built into the TV as well. Roku seems like the best Smart TV platform I've seen, so really crossing my fingers for performance to be actually good on these TCL P Series sets, cause I can return the Vizio to Costco up through mid-June.
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Another set to consider as an alternative to these are the Hisense R8 and H9+ series. Seem to be pushing pretty hard to dethrone Vizio. In reality the Vizio P65 is a set that has everything you want (depending on streaming platform/tablet/smart OS preference)

The TCL P series comes closest aside from the refresh rate, the Hisense R8 comes damn close but unknown refresh rate and only one size. Going to be an interesting year for these 3 companies and great for consumers IMO.

Also, love the Roku interface more than most Smart OS so that makes the TCP and Hisense units really appealing to me..except for the gloss remote. I guess I just like the flat black remote more than the gloss lol
Only the Hisense H10 Series is FALD like the TCL P and the R8 is the only Hisense with DV so far.
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Yeah, HiSense is scatter shot. I mean the R8 & H10 only available in one HUGE size. Good for people that want a YUGE set, I guess.

Ive basically ruled out this years HiSense offerings.

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Another set to consider as an alternative to these are the Hisense R8 and H9+ series. Seem to be pushing pretty hard to dethrone Vizio. In reality the Vizio P65 is a set that has everything you want (depending on streaming platform/tablet/smart OS preference)

The TCL P series comes closest aside from the refresh rate, the Hisense R8 comes damn close but unknown refresh rate and only one size. Going to be an interesting year for these 3 companies and great for consumers IMO.

Also, love the Roku interface more than most Smart OS so that makes the TCP and Hisense units really appealing to me..except for the gloss remote. I guess I just like the flat black remote more than the gloss lol
The Vizio P65 with an ATSC tuner and Vizio Apps (-tablet) (+traditional remote) is what Im looking for.

TBH, Id probably already own a 2016 Vizio P series if the 50" wasnt 60hz or the 55" wasnt S-IPS. Oh well.

Ive got great sets already. The bar is high.

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The Vizio P65 with an ATSC tuner and Vizio Apps (-tablet) (+traditional remote) is what Im looking for.

TBH, Id probably already own a 2016 Vizio P series if the 50" wasnt 60hz or the 55" wasnt S-IPS. Oh well.

Ive got great sets already. The bar is high.
I currently own a P65. The only reason I'd want to swap is because I am not a fan of the casting system. Great concept and definitely improved with the updates but it can be a PITA at times. If the Vizio P came with a Roku OS it would be perfect. That being said the TCL P will still be a great set IMO. Also the Vizio P is thick as hell and has very deep leg stands so it can stick out a good bit.
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Im very patient.

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at the 42:20 mark

TCL P Series

"up to 40 times brighter than today's standard TVs"

??

The presenter mis speaks a number of times during his presentation. I wonder if he meant 4 times?

Still, 4x 230 (TCL FS3800) is 920 nits! not too bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNZ9GlOYkHY
I think I now know where the presenter got the 40x number.

"Dolby Vision has been adopted by film studios like MGM and Universal, along with streaming services including Netflix, Amazon and Vudu. TVs bearing the badge are supposed to be up to 40 times brighter than standard TVs, have better blacks, expanded contrast and 12-bits of color per pixel, equating to over 68 billion colors, compared to just 16 million for a regular TV."

https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/04/...s-4k-roku-tvs/

Doesn't have anything to do with the tv, rather it's DV's potential (e.g. 4000nits/100nits = 40). I fear this tv is not going to be anywhere near 1000 nits (for reference: more expensive c series said to be "400 nits peak"). Since HDR performance is my main reason to upgrade, I may have to look for something else. I hope I'm wrong.

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I think I now know where the presenter got the 40x number.

"Dolby Vision has been adopted by film studios like MGM and Universal, along with streaming services including Netflix, Amazon and Vudu. TVs bearing the badge are supposed to be up to 40 times brighter than standard TVs, have better blacks, expanded contrast and 12-bits of color per pixel, equating to over 68 billion colors, compared to just 16 million for a regular TV."

https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/04/...s-4k-roku-tvs/

Doesn't have anything to do with the tv, rather it's DV's potential (e.g. 4000nits/100nits = 40). I fear this tv is not going to be anywhere near 1000 nits (for reference: more expensive c series said to be "400 nits peak"). Since HDR performance is my main reason to upgrade, I may have to look for something else. I hope I'm wrong.
This looks like the c series.

S series, low cost (already available)
P series, picture quality emphasis
C series, style (thin) empahsis

Peak brightness may (hopefully) be much higher.

Wide color gamut / %Yes / 130% sRGB
Resolution3840x2160
10 bit panelYes
UHD frame rate convertionYes
Screen size : diagonal (inch/cm)65 in. / 165 cm.
Panel typeLED Edge
Panel resolutionUHD
Horizontal & vertical viewing angle178°/178°
Picture noise reductionYes
Brightness (ERP measurment)350 nits
Dynamic contrastMega
UHD upscalingSuper Resolution EX
Film ModeYes

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Im more interested in FALD than HDR to be honest.

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This looks like the c series.

S series, low cost (already available)
P series, picture quality emphasis
C series, style (thin) empahsis

Peak brightness may (hopefully) be much higher.

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Resolution3840x2160
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Screen size : diagonal (inch/cm)65 in. / 165 cm.
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Horizontal & vertical viewing angle178°/178°
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Brightness (ERP measurment)350 nits
Dynamic contrastMega
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Eager to see what differences there will be with the P Series. I mean unless that guy was completely blowing smoke out his ass then the P Series has gotta be way brighter than that, since he said it would be one of the brightest DV sets this year, right?

EDIT: Why is Roku not listed for that TV? Do they not use Roku TV in all regions?

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Eager to see what differences there will be with the P Series. I mean unless that guy was completely blowing smoke out his ass then the P Series has gotta be way brighter than that, since he said it would be one of the brightest DV sets this year, right?

EDIT: Why is Roku not listed for that TV? Do they not use Roku TV in all regions?
It seems the OS varies by region.

I don't trust anything that is said since the 40x quote.

"One of the brightest" , not many very bright dv sets if you look at rtings. The LG sets aren't really very bright. The vizio P is not bad but the only really bright dv set is Sony's 930e.

Maybe the European spec sets have been constrained due to power regs. I can hope.
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Id like to see at least 500 Nits (or something around the 2016 Vizio P series specs 500-700 variable). Id be happy with that.

Id like a 120hz 10bit panel before that though.
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I can't imagine it not being a 10-bit panel with them hyping up DV and all, but I'm definitely not holding out hope for 120hz. That's mostly just a nice-to-have for me. I rarely use my PC on the big screen and when I do, sure 120hz would be great, but capping at a super smooth 60 fps is "good enough" for those rare use cases, for me personally anyway. If I want the super high framerates I'll just continue to use my Dell S2716DG monitor (until high-performance HDR G-SYNC/FreeSync monitors become available/affordable........)
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I hope they have more concrete details soon, especially since Walmart has refurb KS8000 sets for $699 right now. I'm really torn between waiting for this set or picking one of those up.
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I hope they have more concrete details soon, especially since Walmart has refurb KS8000 sets for $699 right now. I'm really torn between waiting for this set or picking one of those up.
P and C series now showing on home page but link seems to be broken. Maybe we will get some more info soon.

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Yeah link is still broken, that's very odd.
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