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Thumbs up **OFFICIAL** Sharp Aquos 65N9000U 65" Curved 4k HDR Quantum Dot

By the numbers it looks like 72 people grabbed the duydig.com ebay fire sale of the Sharp Aquos 65N9000U for $1150 in the last week. This was (and in some places today still is) a $3000 set retail.

This mofo has:

65" curved screen
4k
HDR10
120hz native
3M Quantum dot display
240 zone FALD
4k Amazon, Netflix, Vudu, Youtube smart apps

The price from buydig is back to $1500 as of today -- still a great deal on what appears to be a stunning chuck of TV technology -- but not the scream-from-the-mountain-tops $1150 deal that buydig ignited the world with over the past week.

Based on the 2016 CES coverage, this was a beast of a TV that seems to have not sold well, had price-point challenges, or got caught up in the Hisense/Sharp branding transition.

All I know is mine comes in about a week and I cannot wait. I am coming from a sad saga with two broken Hisense 55H9B2's from PC Richard (who are great by the way), one of which arrived usable enough to see how awesome a display it was, but neither of which was 100% ok to keep. The problem is the stock has dried up for the 55" H9B so I went looking for a replacement for a steal.

This Sharp Aquos 65N9000U clearly is the step-sibling of the Hisense 65H10B, so I am hoping it meets the same high standard that the 55H9B set.

I hope some fellow AVS'ers grabbed the Sharp deal posted on slickdeals -- if so, this is where to gripe your gripes and sing the praises

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I jumped on the Buydig deal as well as I was looking for a 2nd TV. I currently have a Samsung 65KS8000. I was hoping this TV had active 3D, as stated in the Ebay listing, but appears it does not after looking at the specs on the sharp website and initial reviews. Shipped yesterday. Here is a Chinese review of the 65N9000U - use google translate:

http://4k-fan.com/%E4%B8%80%E6%89%8B...F%94%E6%8B%BC/
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I jumped on the Buydig deal as well as I was looking for a 2nd TV. I currently have a Samsung 65KS8000. I was hoping this TV had active 3D, as stated in the Ebay listing, but appears it does not after looking at the specs on the sharp website and initial reviews. Shipped yesterday. Here is a Chinese review of the 65N9000U - use google translate:

http://4k-fan.com/%E4%B8%80%E6%89%8B...F%94%E6%8B%BC/
Great review of the N9000!

I have a tracking # from buydig but I have no idea who the shipper is and I have no idea where my TV is??

Have you been able to track yours??

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Great review of the N9000!

I have a tracking # from buydig but I have no idea who the shipper is and I have no idea where my TV is??

Have you been able to track yours??

-Chris
I called Buydig this morning and the company they used to ship my unit was Team World Wide:

https://www.teamww.com/tracking/team-trac/

A little confusing but just enter your tracking# under "Team Bill Number(s)". You do not need to enter anything else.
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I called Buydig this morning and the company they used to ship my unit was Team World Wide:

https://www.teamww.com/tracking/team-trac/

A little confusing but just enter your tracking# under "Team Bill Number(s)". You do not need to enter anything else.
Thanks so much for that info!! I Just called them, they had an old phone number via ebay on file and couldn't reach me. All sorted out and they are delivering tomorrow between 10am-2pm.

After two Hisense H9's were delivered broken to us, I am really hoping that this TV shows up in one piece!

Good luck on yours and I look forward to your thoughts!

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Thanks so much for that info!! I Just called them, they had an old phone number via ebay on file and couldn't reach me. All sorted out and they are delivering tomorrow between 10am-2pm.

After two Hisense H9's were delivered broken to us, I am really hoping that this TV shows up in one piece!

Good luck on yours and I look forward to your thoughts!

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Looking forward to your impressions as well. Mine will not arrive until Monday...
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Delivered safely, been setting it up for about an hour... this set is AMAZING!!!!!!

This is everything the Hisense H9B was and very much beyond.

You'll go through two firmware updates and then you are good to go. It appears HDR is not supported via the internal streamed apps, but I am sure my XB1S will pass it.

The same was true of the Hisense H9B.

Unbelievable picture... for the money I paid I keep thinking the cops are going to show up.

Just awesome!
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Hi ,
does anyone know where this tv is made ? (ie Mexico ou Asia)?
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China.

I am absolutely blown away. I also have a Vizio P50 upstairs... it's not even close to in the same league.

Amazing TV!!!

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It's tempting at its present price, but it will be impossible to pass up if the prices drops back down to where you snagged it. Congrats!

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Wonder why the hisense h10c is $500 more than the sharp at buydig ? Same tv , different name. Or are there other differences?
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Wonder why the hisense h10c is $500 more than the sharp at buydig ? Same tv , different name. Or are there other differences?
I see the 65H10B for $500 more. I do not see the 65H10C for sale. Was the 10C ever released in the US?
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I see the 65H10B for $500 more. I do not see the 65H10C for sale. Was the 10C ever released in the US?
Your right. Didn't notice it was still the b. Even more puzzling then. If the b is a 2015 model ,and the c is the 2016 model . Seems strange that the sharp would be priced lower than the b. So is the sharp a rebadged b or c? Just wish there was more information on this set. Can't find much of anything but previews for the sharp and 10C.
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Your right. Didn't notice it was still the b. Even more puzzling then. If the b is a 2015 model ,and the c is the 2016 model . Seems strange that the sharp would be priced lower than the b. So is the sharp a rebadged b or c? Just wish there was more information on this set. Can't find much of anything but previews for the sharp and 10C.
I found this:

https://www.facebook.com/hisenseusa/...64455956902463

It looks like the 10C was never released. This sharp is pretty much the same as the 10B but with a slight design change - from the link above:

Hisense USA: 65H10B and LC-65N9000U (Sharp) are curved and featured the same (ULED 2.0) with slightly different designs for the two brands. 70H10C and LC-70N9100U are flat and featured the same (ULED 3.0) with designs for the two brands.


So essentially we get a 10B for $1150 with all the firmware updates now essentially complete. Not a bad deal!
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... and an absolutely amazing picture!

Watching the TV right now -- Despicable Me 2 for Pizza Saturday with the family. I've seen this blue-ray before but it looks like a completely different movie on this display.

Unreal!

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How is the HDR material on this TV? Does it get brightness levels to 1000nits? If this is indeed a Hisense 65H10B rebadged then I believe that TV only gets to 500 nits but wanted to see if this was a better panel.


Also, has anyone seen the Samsung 65KS8000 and if so, how does this TV compare to that. Only reason is that these are comparably priced currently and I am deciding between them.


And last thing, does this TV sit upright on its stand or does it lean like the Hisense 65H10B?.... I'm hoping it is upright because the lean would drive me nuts.


Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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How is the HDR material on this TV? Does it get brightness levels to 1000nits? If this is indeed a Hisense 65H10B rebadged then I believe that TV only gets to 500 nits but wanted to see if this was a better panel.


Also, has anyone seen the Samsung 65KS8000 and if so, how does this TV compare to that. Only reason is that these are comparably priced currently and I am deciding between them.


And last thing, does this TV sit upright on its stand or does it lean like the Hisense 65H10B?.... I'm hoping it is upright because the lean would drive me nuts.


Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I have the 65ks8000 as well. My Sharp will be arriving today so I can post my impressions of the two. Just to note, the Samsung epp deal (65ks8000 for 1079 + 10% discover cash back) has ended but they seem to run it every month or so. My biggest complaint on the samsung are the black levels and it being edge lit. Otherwise it is a solid choice, especially for the epp price.

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Not sure if these numbers (which come from THIS Chinese 4k TV review site) are sustained or peak brightness. This is a comparison of brightness between the Sharp N9000U and the Sony 65X850D:

Level - Sharp - Sony
L100: 395 312

L50: 572 313

L25: 663 308

L10: 557 312

L2: 236 312

According to Rtings assessment of current TV brightness these are all solid HDR numbers. In fact, the L10- L50 measurements are some of the best of the 2016 range of TV (besting even the Samsung flagships except at L2 where the Samsung is greater than 1000 nits.

This sharp is beating the Vizio P-series (the P50 of which I own), the Sony's, and the Samsung's in many cases below the 8000 series.

The Sharp N9000u is an awesome TV!

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I have the 65ks8000 as well. My Sharp will be arriving today so I can post my impressions of the two. Just to note, the Samsung epp deal (65ks8000 for 1079 + 10% discover cash back) has ended but they seem to run it every month or so. My biggest complaint on the sharp are the black levels and it being edge lit. Otherwise it is a solid choice, especially for the epp price.


Thank you for the information! I cannot wait till you do a side by side comparison on the TVs. On that note, I do own last year's Samsung... (well 2015) 65JS8500 and that one has been a great TV. Looking for a TV in the basement where it is much darker therefore wanting FALD instead of edge lit. I did order the 65n9000u when it was on sale on ebay but I won't get it till maybe Weds. If this TV is indeed better than the 65KS8000, then I won't need to return it or try to buy one now with the epp deal.
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I finally made sense of the brightness levels on rtings. Wonder why it drops off at 2% and 100%? Maybe due to FALD? I'm sure the black levels has to be better on this TV than the edge lit ones. So, how are the overall black levels and Contrast? I'm sure it won't get to OLED levels but if it is close enough, I can live with it. Oh... and no one answered my question about leaning with the stands... upright or lean? How about HDR material... does it display correctly?
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Thank you for the information! I cannot wait till you do a side by side comparison on the TVs. On that note, I do own last year's Samsung... (well 2015) 65JS8500 and that one has been a great TV. Looking for a TV in the basement where it is much darker therefore wanting FALD instead of edge lit. I did order the 65n9000u when it was on sale on ebay but I won't get it till maybe Weds. If this TV is indeed better than the 65KS8000, then I won't need to return it or try to buy one now with the epp deal.

On my original post, I meant to reference the Samsung, not the Sharp, concerning my complaint on black levels and being edge lit. The main reason for buying the Sharp is improvement over the Samsung in black levels and NOT being edge lit.
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I finally made sense of the brightness levels on rtings. Wonder why it drops off at 2% and 100%? Maybe due to FALD? I'm sure the black levels has to be better on this TV than the edge lit ones. So, how are the overall black levels and Contrast? I'm sure it won't get to OLED levels but if it is close enough, I can live with it. Oh... and no one answered my question about leaning with the stands... upright or lean? How about HDR material... does it display correctly?
The black levels, contrast, and brightness are... excellent.

I just took a 4ft level and stood it up vertically on my media cabinet (where the TV sits), kissed right up flush to the front of the TV (at the bottom). The top of the TV is ever so slightly about .5 to .75 of a inch back from the base.

I pushed the brightness and exposure on the pics in order to better show the gap -- sorry if they are too bright. Of the slight tilt back, it wasn't really until I measured it that I noticed it. It is a negligible tilt, looks straight (no one in my family noticed) and really the screen just looks right -- well it also looks huge )

*Funny, I had a Hisense H9B (the 55" variant of the Sharp which I had to return due to a screen crack) and there was no tilt to it.

Really interested to hear the feedback from you guys about the N9000U!

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Here is a ton on info on the HiSense 65XT910 - the European version of the h10b. I imagine much would apply to this set, especially the screen settings.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/his...hread.1992681/
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The black levels, contrast, and brightness are... excellent.

I just took a 4ft level and stood it up vertically on my media cabinet (where the TV sits), kissed right up flush to the front of the TV (at the bottom). The top of the TV is ever so slightly about .5 to .75 of a inch back from the base.

I pushed the brightness and exposure on the pics in order to better show the gap -- sorry if they are too bright. Of the slight tilt back, it wasn't really until I measured it that I noticed it. It is a negligible tilt, looks straight (no one in my family noticed) and really the screen just looks right -- well it also looks huge )

*Funny, I had a Hisense H9B (the 55" variant of the Sharp which I had to return due to a screen crack) and there was no tilt to it.

Really interested to hear the feedback from you guys about the N9000U!

-Chris


Thank you so much.... I can live with that. That's not much of a lean... I think the Hisense 65h10b leans like 4" to 5" which would have been too much for me.


Hopefully my TV will be here soon but the initial review by you seems very promising!
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is the ULED a real thing, or just marketing?

how does this compare to 2017 models?

Hisense has 65-H9D for $1299, and 65-H9D+ (ULED) for $1999 and 75-H9D+ (ULED) for $2500. there is also the 75-R8 for $1999.

Sharp has 65-P9000 for $1999.

all have WCG, but no quantum dots.
both 75 inchers have directlit local diming, and the sharp has something called ELED local dimming.

the H10D (w/ quantum dots) will be too expensive
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is the ULED a real thing, or just marketing?

how does this compare to 2017 models?

Hisense has 65-H9D for $1299, and 65-H9D+ (ULED) for $1999 and 75-H9D+ (ULED) for $2500. there is also the 75-R8 for $1999.

Sharp has 65-P9000 for $1999.

all have WCG, but no quantum dots.
both 75 inchers have directlit local diming, and the sharp has something called ELED local dimming.

the H10D (w/ quantum dots) will be too expensive


ULED would be similar to the SUHD label used by Samsung. Something to distinguish their higher end TVs. Do you have any link to the other sets in your post? I could not seem to find much on them. I think one of the biggest differences will be FALD vs edge lit.


Update: found this link:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...-cast-tv/37694

Looks like the H9D and H9D+ are all edge lit. The H10 series are going to be FALDs like this Sharp. It looks like the 2017 equivalents to this Sharp are going to be twice as much price wise.....

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the H10D (w/ quantum dots) will be too expensive
The Sharp N9000U has 3M Quantum Dots as opposed to the slightly lower tiered Chinese nanocrystals of the Hisense H9B I previously and briefly owned -- the Sharp also has nearly three times the FALD zones 240 to 85).

I just watched Marco Polo and am now watching Chef's Table France, they both look awesome in HDR viewed over the XB1S.

The only 2017 Hisense that comes close is their H10 range which I think starts at 70"... and requires a big bag of cash.

I thought the Hisesne H9B was the best deal of the year when I got it from PC Richard for $500 for my kids for this Christmas (it may still be if you can find one) but this Sharp N9000U at almost 70% off its original street price is ridiculous!
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ULED would be similar to the SUHD label used by Samsung. Something to distinguish their higher end TVs. Do you have any link to the other sets in your post? I could not seem to find much on them. I think one of the biggest differences will be FALD vs edge lit.
ULED, SUHD, Triluminous, PrimeHD are the same thing(s) by different names -- it's the marketing term that Hisense/Sharp, Samsung, Sony, and LG all use respectively for integrating quantum dot and HDR technology into their TVs.

So, wider color gamut, better contrast, and brighter panels... and it works!

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is the ULED a real thing, or just marketing?

how does this compare to 2017 models?

Hisense has 65-H9D for $1299, and 65-H9D+ (ULED) for $1999 and 75-H9D+ (ULED) for $2500. there is also the 75-R8 for $1999.

Sharp has 65-P9000 for $1999.

all have WCG, but no quantum dots.
both 75 inchers have directlit local diming, and the sharp has something called ELED local dimming.

the H10D (w/ quantum dots) will be too expensive
ULED (Quantum Dots) is both, marketing and a real thing. It has to due with the actual light the TV generates to create the backlight. In a traditional TV (not quantum dot) the light has to be filtered, that filtering causes it to be dimmer, etc. Quantum Dots (in the most basic terms) allows for unfiltered (and thus brighter) light to be used which in general terms means bright images, fuller (and broader) colors, etc. That being said ULED is not a requirement for HDR, it is simply one means of designing a TV that allows those TV's to reach those color and brightness ranges but the tv still needs to have a 10-bit panel for instance. So a TV could have quantum dots, be especially bright and colorful, but still lack the panel to display the full range of HDR colors and thus have banding like a traditional set despite having the nits to otherwise be "HDR". Thats kind of whats hurting the market right now, "HDR" is such a loose term that really is made up of numerous technical components the various companies are doing a really really poor job of customer education and product identification.
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ULED (Quantum Dots) is both, marketing and a real thing. It has to due with the actual light the TV generates to create the backlight. In a traditional TV (not quantum dot) the light has to be filtered, that filtering causes it to be dimmer, etc. Quantum Dots (in the most basic terms) allows for unfiltered (and thus brighter) light to be used which in general terms means bright images, fuller (and broader) colors, etc. That being said ULED is not a requirement for HDR, it is simply one means of designing a TV that allows those TV's to reach those color and brightness ranges but the tv still needs to have a 10-bit panel for instance. So a TV could have quantum dots, be especially bright and colorful, but still lack the panel to display the full range of HDR colors and thus have banding like a traditional set despite having the nits to otherwise be "HDR". Thats kind of whats hurting the market right now, "HDR" is such a loose term that really is made up of numerous technical components the various companies are doing a really really poor job of customer education and product identification.
Well, not entirely -- HDR is a software metadata specification for brightness, contrast, and color while quantum dots (a hardware technology) help us pull off HDR by allowing for brighter panels, wider color gamut, and richer color saturation.

There are currently two flavors of HDR metadata: HDR10 and DolbyVision.

In order for a TV to support either HDR10 or DolbyVision, beyond being able to simply reach certain brightness levels or display a specific color gamut width, the TV's firmware must be able to decode the HDR metadata.

For example, when I owned the Hisense H9B (great thread here on AVS about it) the firmware initially did not support HDR10 metadata. Nothing about the attributes of the panel changed, but with a firmware update that supported HDR10 metadata, the TV was instantly an HDR TV.

I also have a Vizio P50 which initially only supported DolbyVision but with a firmware update is now also able to decode HDR10.

Are SUHD, ULED, and Triluminous displays better than LCD displays that are not? Yes, definitely! The integration of LCD's cutting edge technologies in color gamut, brightness, contrast, and software decoding simply create a significantly better picture.

Now, when you leverage Full Array Local Dimming as opposed to side-lit screen, you get yet another jump in picture quality. With FALD, in addition to the other benefits of quantum dot technology, you get dramatically blacker blacks and tremendous contrast! The more zones in the FALD, the better the black performance and the better the contrast

When it's all working together: the contrast, brightness and wide color gamut of quantum dots, FALD, (and other stuff like a 120hz native panel)... then HDR comes in and choreographs the picture dynamics in software from the source (a 4k blueray for example).

I was just watching Sicario and Deadpool in UHD HDR blu-ray from the XB1S on the N9000U. The dust floating in the air moving from a dark shadow through a streak of sunlight in an open window is awesome. Likewise the lighting in Deadpool, and the color, I think is a great example of HDR -- both in the bright scenes and the dark scenes.

The N9000U is a just a tremendous display. I have a long-in-the tooth 50" TCL 4k display (from the pre-Roku, pre-HDR days) which has been a great display and I have a Vizio P50... The Sharp is in a completely different weight class in terms of picture quality and overall viewing experience.

-Chris
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