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Ask the Editors: Is a 70" 4K Display a Waste of Money for Watching Cable TV?

If all you watch is Comcast cable, and you want a 70" TV, is it a waste of money to spend extra on a UHD 4K TV versus 1080p?

Since Vizio's D series is 1080p and offers 70" of FALD LED-LCD for a thousand bucks, I said yes. But... $100 more for the 70" UHD E Series is probably worth it. Read more here: https://www.avsforum.com/ask-the-edit...hing-cable-tv/
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Is a 70" 4K Display a Waste of Money for Watching Cable TV?

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FIOS looks better on my UHD TV than my 1080 TVs. Whether or not it's worth the extra cost is debatable, but all things being equal, a UHD TV looks better than a HD TV.
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This I TOTALY agree with. My Vizio at 15 Id feet need a 90 in 4k to to even notice the diff at that point I'm using a Darbee in movies and games so at my size Id be hard pressed to see any diff. Ill wait to get a 4K projector when they come down so I can use it on my screen.
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I am going to say so few large sets are 1080P today just go with a 4K TV set.
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Depends how poor the source quality is, and what 70" TV is being used.
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If all you watch is Comcast cable, and you want a 70" TV, is it a waste of money to spend extra on a UHD 4K TV versus 1080p?

Since Vizio's D series is 1080p and offers 70" of FALD LED-LCD for a thousand bucks, I said yes. Read more here: https://www.avsforum.com/ask-the-edit...hing-cable-tv/
Depends if or not you buy a 4K TV that has great Processing, like the SONY units have.

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I am going to say so few large sets are 1080P today just go with a 4K TV set.
True, a 70" UHD 4K E Series is only $100 more.

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Just having bought a 4k set, it's natural as it was the upgrade to 1080p that highly compressed channels will look terrible, even substations on Broadcast tv that routinely overcompress the signal ending up in a murky mess will look worse on a 4 k set, but thats not the sets issue, garbage in garbage out. the only thing i can judge mine by is what i'm seeing from Direct TV now, and the cable channels there look pretty decent. But I think compression more than resolution is the real issue
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Comcast looks worse on a 4k tv than a 1080p tv. Their compression is awful. If you have DirecTV or FiOS, then it would probably be similar. However, anyone not partaking in Netflix, Amazon, and UHD-BD/BD is really missing out.
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True, a 70" UHD 4K E Series is only $100 more.
BUTTT then you lose the all important Dongle/connection in the back imo. It was 1000000% stupid for Vizio to move over to Home Theater Displays.
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Also agree w/Mark----the extra $100 would be worth it for the E-Series. We purchased a Vizio M65-C1 (2015 Model) last summer from Sam's for about what you're looking to spend after it had been reduced to make way for the newer models. We have Comcast (CableCard in an HTPC---so I'm assuming the quality is the same). It is in our main living room and is on all day---it's been great, and we couldn't be happier!
Fortunately for you we are heading into the discount season for TV's where the 2016 models will start to see prices slashed to make room for new ones. More bang for your buck is never a bad thing.
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If all you watch is Comcast cable, and you want a 70" TV, is it a waste of money to spend extra on a UHD 4K TV versus 1080p?

Since Vizio's D series is 1080p and offers 70" of FALD LED-LCD for a thousand bucks, I said yes. But... $100 more for the 70" UHD E Series is probably worth it. Read more here: https://www.avsforum.com/ask-the-edit...hing-cable-tv/
I was in the area and had 30 minutes to kill so I went into the local Magnolia showroom hoping to see the Vizio 70" D series. They didn't have it. Here is what I was told :

A 70" 1080p will look terrible because :
"The pixels are huge. Don't plan on sitting any closer than 15 feet from the screen." He disagreed that 9 feet is the approximate recommended viewing distance for a 70" screen.
"Motion blur will be very noticeable." I didn't know motion blur is determined by a screen's resolution.
Changing from my current 50" screen to 70" will feel like I'm sitting in the front row of a movie theater. He recommended no bigger than 65".
I should seriously consider a UHD/4K TV because Comcast will likely be broadcasting UHD/4K by the end of 2017.
For $100 more, the 70″ UHD E Series is intriguing. But it doesn't have an ATSC TV tuner. Watching over-the-air broadcasts is something I'm now considering.
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BUTTT then you lose the all important Dongle/connection in the back imo.
Could you please explain?

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It was 1000000% stupid for Vizio to move over to Home Theater Displays.
From where did they move over?
Why was it stupid?
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Could you please explain?


From where did they move over?
Why was it stupid?

They did the big change in 2016 to the so called Home Theater Display

To me this is just stupid as we keep on seeing more and more people becoming cord cutters or even cord nevers.
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For the $100 price difference I would go for the 4K set. Comcast will not look good on 4k or 1080p soon since they are in the process of switching all 1080 channels to 720p. So you will upscale 720 to 1080 or 4k depending on the set.
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Could you please explain?


From where did they move over?
Why was it stupid?
No more over the air receiver and antenna connection. That is a no go for me since I watch the OTA when I can due to the better picture quality.
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BUTTT then you lose the all important Dongle/connection in the back imo.
What is this Dongle/connection you speak of ?
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What is this Dongle/connection you speak of ?
It is not a dongle - he is referring to the RF connector, the round threaded connector which is used to connect your antenna.

Vizio removed the connector and the internal tuner, which means that you will not be able to watch the broadcast channels (ABC, NBC etc.) without buying an external tuner box.
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Basically, he's part of the tiny percentage of people that use that connector and complain about the removal, even though you can buy an external one for very little money. They conjecture that because they use it, a large percentage of people use it. Which is similar to acting like the AVS views represent the views of the majority of TV buyers, which is false.
It's kind of like complaining about modern computers not having DVD drives or VGA connectors, because some tiny percentage NEEDS it and cannot be bothered to buy the external adapters.
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Once ATSC 3.0 is out the current tuners will not be able to take advantage of the new features. 4K, HDR, wide color, 3D, and 120fps are some of the ideas mentioned. People are streaming way more than watching OTA channels its not even close. Im pretty sure Vizio took these things into consideration when deciding to do away with tuners. Anyone that has a current tuner will either have to buy a TV with the updated tuner or get a separate device with the new tuner to take advantage of the better OTA standard.
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I'm wondering how many people use the built-in tuner. As far as we can tell, most OTA users don't have DVR, so it may actually be a really sizable number of users. However, I am also seeing more and more users who don't have any live TV at all, which is just nuts to me, but they don't seem to care. The direct plug-in crowd seems to be people who don't really watch TV, but have an antenna set up for live events or an occasional show or bad weather or something.
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I'm wondering how many people use the built-in tuner. As far as we can tell, most OTA users don't have DVR, so it may actually be a really sizable number of users. However, I am also seeing more and more users who don't have any live TV at all, which is just nuts to me, but they don't seem to care. The direct plug-in crowd seems to be people who don't really watch TV, but have an antenna set up for live events or an occasional show or bad weather or something.

I stream 95% of the time its just more convenient. Only reason I have a cable box is the local channels and HBO came with the internet package for $5 extra a month. I login to HBO go and stream. Only use the box to watch the NFL games that are not available via stream due to black outs. I have a OTA connection on my TV in my room but I have not used it 5 months. Currently use a 2016 Vizio M as my main set.

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With Comcast Xfinity going to bit starved 720p MPEG 4 feed for all channels, even ones that used to be 1080i and OK - I say NO. I would even say a 480p widescreen set would be fine. But even a DVD doesn't do some of the mess you see with blacks and dark scenes on this new Comcast. Whatever comcast is doing is complete garbage from what HDTV used to look like.

Like someone else said, I use it for sports now. I try to use their on demand when possible over live/dvr as they haven't touched that yet but when in doubt i use my Apple TV for things like HBO Go, etc. Thats for TV, when I put a Blu-ray on nowadays it looks even better than it used to because of the garbage you see from cable now.

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Basically, he's part of the tiny percentage of people that use that connector and complain about the removal, even though you can buy an external one for very little money. They conjecture that because they use it, a large percentage of people use it. Which is similar to acting like the AVS views represent the views of the majority of TV buyers, which is false.
It's kind of like complaining about modern computers not having DVD drives or VGA connectors, because some tiny percentage NEEDS it and cannot be bothered to buy the external adapters.
Let's see here,

1) Satellite service goes down due to inclement weather
2) Dish gets gets covered w/snow and ice due to 1) and is inaccessible even after weather clears
3) Metallic cable or optical fiber suffers "backhoe fade" or utility pole strike, extended service outage results
4) Service provider gets in a p*ssing contest with network and drops carriage (i.e., recent tiff DirecTv v. NBC)

Yup, who needs good ol' OTA tuner ?
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However, I am also seeing more and more users who don't have any live TV at all, which is just nuts to me, but they don't seem to care.
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Just curious, why do you think it's nuts?

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If you're watching Comcast, you might as well buy an old plasma TV at a garage sale. The Craptastic picture is now worse than ever, thanks to the company's "upgrade" to MPEG4 featuring even more compression and 720p only - no more 1080i. Absolute garbage picture quality. But, hey, you can talk to the remote.
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I was going to opine that one can buy a pretty good next-level projector for what a 70" 4K display costs.

But then I went to Costco for some Superbowl food and noticed a 70" 4K set for less than (OK, one dollar less than) a kilobuck.

You gotta spend close to $2K to improve upon entry-level DLP PJs. (And the 3-D won't be as good.)
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Comcast picture quality is poor on a large screen TV since the insane 720p downgrade with super duper extra squishy compression. They are killing their product. No, I didn't care to put up with the problems with DirecTV, Sling, or Vue, either. The choices right now for receiving linear HD channels are truly abysmal on a big screen.


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If all you watch is Comcast cable, and you want a 70" TV, is it a waste of money to spend extra on a UHD 4K TV versus 1080p?

Since Vizio's D series is 1080p and offers 70" of FALD LED-LCD for a thousand bucks, I said yes. But... $100 more for the 70" UHD E Series is probably worth it. Read more here: https://www.avsforum.com/ask-the-edit...hing-cable-tv/
Is it safe to say you'd give up 5" and gain UHD by choosing the Vizio D-Series 65" Class Ultra HD Full‑Array LED Smart TV (D65u-D2, $899.99) over the D-Series 70” Class Full‑Array LED Smart TV (D70-D3, $999.99) ?
https://www.vizio.com/tvs/dseries/d65ud2.html
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