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Just an update that the Harmony remote-compatible infrared remotes and dimmers are FINALLY now available for the MediaLight (we didn't customize the included remote as the main attraction is the harmony-compatibility, however, they are tested with all versions included the new 16+-foot-long MEGA 12v.

How do you feel about CREE compatibility? Is that a big deal to anyone here?

Anyway, if you ordered the MediaLight in the past, contact me with your screenname here and I'll send you a free infrared dimmer (limited offer, so if you are reading this and it's still July 2017, I'm game. If you are international, you may have to pick up the cost of shipping. The remotes cost much less than international shipping.
How fortuitous that I checked up on this thread to see if there was any update on the Harmony compatibility.

Jason, is the offer only good for those who ordered it direct from the biaslighting.com website? Because I purchased my kit from you guys via Amazon.
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I use the Philips Hue light strips, and it works perfect. They're a bit difficult to bend to 90 degrees at the corners, but you can't see the little crimp at the corners anyway. For a 65" TV the main strip, and two extensions fit perfect. Don't need to cut at all.

With other Hue lights setup for our movie mode, and an Amazon Echo, all I have to do is say "movie time" and all the lights come on at the correct colors, and brightness.
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Just installed my quad system and it's awesome!!! What a great product indeed. My ideal light old school light finally gave out after 10+years and lots of use(even just to light the room). I love that you can adjust the brightness and or dim it!!! My girlfriend is even said wow what an upgrade, I love it!!! Thanks and I highly recommend it if you don't have one!!

I'm interested in controlling it with my harmony one. I'm assuming the extra controller on the side box I got is what it's for. But can you explain in detail, or some instructions on how to go about doing it, and what should I chose under the harmony as a device? Thanks!
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Anyway, if you ordered the MediaLight in the past, contact me with your screenname here and I'll send you a free infrared dimmer (limited offer, so if you are reading this and it's still July 2017, I'm game. If you are international, you may have to pick up the cost of shipping. The remotes cost much less than international shipping.
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I use the Philips Hue light strips, and it works perfect. They're a bit difficult to bend to 90 degrees at the corners, but you can't see the little crimp at the corners anyway. For a 65" TV the main strip, and two extensions fit perfect. Don't need to cut at all.

With other Hue lights setup for our movie mode, and an Amazon Echo, all I have to do is say "movie time" and all the lights come on at the correct colors, and brightness.
I say 'movie time' and my wife flips the USB switch for the bias light and brings me a glass of wine and a smile. Zero $, just a bit of training ;---)

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I'm interested in purchasing the Medialight bias lighting system. I just discovered this bias lighting technique and am really interested in it. I plan on getting the Sony X800E for its viewing angles, but it uses an IPS panel so blacks are very weak when viewing in the dark.

My question is, will this bias lighting system help solve the weak black levels of IPS in the dark? Also, does it help solve things like not noticing backlight bleed, etc when viewing in the dark?
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It will increase perceptible contrast, but unless it's very bright, it will most likely not eliminate the weak black levels completely. Especially if you plan to watch HDR on the TV.
I'm not sure what size you're interested in, but in 55" you can get a Vizio P55, which has an IPS panel and 126 zone FALD. It will be superior to the Sony by far for dark room viewing.

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My wife and I bought philip hue lights for the house. Even though the house is under major renovations right now, we got a bunch of bulbs and glo and a string for the back of our 40" tv and I have it set for as close as 6500k as I can get it and I have a string for my new 75" with a few extenders. But Im not going to stick with the standard 6500K, I will set the colours/lights based on the type of movie we are watching

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I'm interested in purchasing the Medialight bias lighting system. I just discovered this bias lighting technique and am really interested in it. I plan on getting the Sony X800E for its viewing angles, but it uses an IPS panel so blacks are very weak when viewing in the dark.

My question is, will this bias lighting system help solve the weak black levels of IPS in the dark? Also, does it help solve things like not noticing backlight bleed, etc when viewing in the dark?
The idea of bias lighting is to surround the panel with 6500k light next to a neutral wall. That tricks the minds eye into concentrating on the panel which enhances the black level and color of what you are viewing. I have a calibrated LG with the S-IPS panel and I found that I could minimize somewhat the weak black levels and still see detail in dark scenes. It's certainly not like my Samsung, with the S-PVA panel, but it is pretty close. The off-axis viewing of the Samsung is horrendous so you just pick what you can live with. Some prefer to use different colors of light around their panel and while that may look cool, it ruins the scientific basis for bias lighting. I prefer to concentrate on the panel and not what's going on around it. I use the MediaLight Bias Lighting system and am quite impressed with it. The color accuracy is spot on at 6500k with a CRI of >90%.
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Do you consider a dark room with bias a dark room or dim room?

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Do you consider a dark room with bias a dark room or dim room?

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I would call it a dim room. When we watch tv at night, the only light on in the room is from the panel and the bias lights around it. The effect of the bias lighting is noticeable but there is still enough light in the room so we don't bump into any furniture when we walk around.
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It will increase perceptible contrast, but unless it's very bright, it will most likely not eliminate the weak black levels completely. Especially if you plan to watch HDR on the TV.
I'm not sure what size you're interested in, but in 55" you can get a Vizio P55, which has an IPS panel and 126 zone FALD. It will be superior to the Sony by far for dark room viewing.
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The idea of bias lighting is to surround the panel with 6500k light next to a neutral wall. That tricks the minds eye into concentrating on the panel which enhances the black level and color of what you are viewing. I have a calibrated LG with the S-IPS panel and I found that I could minimize somewhat the weak black levels and still see detail in dark scenes. It's certainly not like my Samsung, with the S-PVA panel, but it is pretty close. The off-axis viewing of the Samsung is horrendous so you just pick what you can live with. Some prefer to use different colors of light around their panel and while that may look cool, it ruins the scientific basis for bias lighting. I prefer to concentrate on the panel and not what's going on around it. I use the MediaLight Bias Lighting system and am quite impressed with it. The color accuracy is spot on at 6500k with a CRI of >90%.
Thanks for the responses/explanation on how it works. I think now I'm gonna go with the X900E. It's only $200 more and it has local dimming.
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Thanks for the responses/explanation on how it works. I think now I'm gonna go with the X900E. It's only $200 more and it has local dimming.
If you can afford the X900E... get it!!! PQ is great. And with bias light , black levels will look great.
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If you can afford the X900E... get it!!! PQ is great. And with bias light , black levels will look great.
It's looking like I am as soon as my local Best Buy gets more in . If not by the end of the week, guess I'll just have to order online

Only thing I'm worried about is I will be viewing the tv from about 1.5 - 2 feet below the tv (it will be sitting on top of an entertainment center) so I'm wondering if it will have any effect on the picture quality since it's a VA panel? I will, however, be pretty much in the center of it.
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Only thing I'm worried about is I will be viewing the tv from about 1.5 - 2 feet below the tv (it will be sitting on top of an entertainment center) so I'm wondering if it will have any effect on the picture quality since it's a VA panel? I will, however, be pretty much in the center of it.
I'm not home at the moment. But I can check later if the picture gets worse watching from that 1.5 - 2 feet viewing below.


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I'm not home at the moment. But I can check later if the picture gets worse watching from that 1.5 - 2 feet viewing below.


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Yes, I'd really appreciate that.

I can deal with it if it's minor wash out in color, etc. Just as long as it's not really noticeable.
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Yes, I'd really appreciate that.

I can deal with it if it's minor wash out in color, etc. Just as long as it's not really noticeable.
One solution is to lift the back of the TV stand with some rubber feet (or anything else) like I did with my bedroom TV, a Samsung 40":









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If you're curious... That's my DIY Bias Lighting (third picture).

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^^^^^ I did something like that for my primary tv but used an uplight instead to get more of a reflection bouncing off of the wall instead of directly from the back of the tv. I used an LED that was 5500k but the CRI was <90% It worked great for years until I installed the MediaLights. Calibrated 6500k with a CRI of >90% and it looks mahvelous!
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^^^^^ I did something like that for my primary tv but used an uplight instead to get more of a reflection bouncing off of the wall instead of directly from the back of the tv. I used an LED that was 5500k but the CRI was <90% It worked great for years until I installed the MediaLights. Calibrated 6500k with a CRI of >90% and it looks mahvelous!

I was using 6500K/High CRI compact fluorescent bulbs for both living room and bedroom TVs. But recently I replaced all my fluorescent bulbs with LED. Main reason for using bias lighting is to alleviate eye strain. So these temporary 5500k LED bulbs are doing the job just fine.

But eventually I'll replace them with 6500K / >90 CRI.

I'm still trying to decide how many lumens to get.



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The MediaLight has a variable brightness that you can control remotely.
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"Sticky" threads from the calibrator forum regarding bias lighting and video viewing environment principles:

'D65 Video Bias Lighting- Fundamental Theory And Practice'
https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1162578

'How Viewing Environment Conditions Can Corrupt Or Enhance Your Calibration.'

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=849430

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'The Room Is A Video Component'- Home Theater Geeks #182- Video Interview
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/138-av...#post_23953177

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'The Importance of Viewing Environment Conditions in a Reference Display System'
http://cinemaquestinc.com/ive.htm

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Been pondering bias lighting for my Vizio M65 and looking at the MediaLight here:

https://www.amazon.com/MediaLight-Bi...5135588&sr=8-1

From what I can gather this should be fine for a 65" wall mounted TV correct? And the placement is basically two strips on both sides of the TV (in the back)? Not top and bottom as well (or just all the way around?)

Also, I have a 110" screen/projector - how is placement done for wall mounted projector screens?

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^^^^^ I use the MediaLight for my system and it has worked very well. If I remember correctly they offer two types of lights. One for console mounted tv's (like mine) and one for wall mounted tv's. Contact them for your questions. They have always been very responsive when I've needed to talk to them.
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Thanks. Debating on going with the quads or just the dual strip for my 65"... anyone compare the two directly?

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I ended up ordering the twin strip, i love the effect but i have to admit I wish it were more of a semicircle and maybe I should've went with the quads. Should have went with the better adhesive too, I've ended up having to use quite a bit of electrical tape to hold them.

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I ended up ordering the twin strip, i love the effect but i have to admit I wish it were more of a semicircle and maybe I should've went with the quads. Should have went with the better adhesive too, I've ended up having to use quite a bit of electrical tape to hold them.

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^^^^ I think the quad would look a bit better, at least maybe just an extra strip on the top. If you contact MediaBridge about the adhesive issue they may send you some better adhesive that is a bit more permanent.
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