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Anyway, as said, what I'm wondering is to what extent uniformity/DSE is more of a problem on a 65" than on a 55". The 65" is expensive, bulky and heavy enough that I'm not eager having to return a bad unit .
Have screen uniformity issues not been somewhat resolved over the manufacturing lifespan of the panel? It's 2018 and they've been making these things for a while. I would have expected improvements but maybe LCD fabs don't work that way and what you get on day 1 is what you get on day 365.
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Have screen uniformity issues not been somewhat resolved over the manufacturing lifespan of the panel? It's 2018 and they've been making these things for a while. I would have expected improvements but maybe LCD fabs don't work that way and what you get on day 1 is what you get on day 365.
My 65" has very good screen uniformity and almost no DSE. In comparison to FALD LCDs, one benefit of edge-lit LCDs is that they are less susceptible to DSE.
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Installed another firmware update today (post Dolby Vision). Looks like it eliminates the annoying sound issues with cable TV boxes. Hopefully UK and Europe will now get both updates as one package, and OPPO will hurry up and deliver the Sony Dolby Vision profile!
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Yep, that I know but to be honest, for me 4K is not really what I need. It's HDR and excellent color overall that interests me most.
Anyway, as said, what I'm wondering is to what extent uniformity/DSE is more of a problem on a 65" than on a 55". The 65" is expensive, bulky and heavy enough that I'm not eager having to return a bad unit .
Most people do not see an issue, if you are going to test and evaluate your set before you enjoy it you can find uniformity issues with any TV you buy.....
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I just got one Thursday and it updated over the air right away.
Saw the notification on my TV earlier today.
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Hi guys! First time poster here.

I've spent the last month considering a number of TVs, and I think I'll be finally ordering a 55" x930e.

Before ordering, I wanted to hear from those of you that had this set for a while now. Do you still like the TV, or do you regret buying it? Given the choice would you still buy this set or would you go with something else? Anything I should know about this TV before ordering?

Thanks for your help!
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Hello, first of all excuse my english...most of it's a google translation .
But it's my 55" panel that is unlucky or this model has a lot of the blooming in the black bars at the top and bottom, when there is a clear object in the vicinity of these, although I'm just perfectly in front of the tv?
Then a bit of side is a huge crap. There is something that I can do to see if the panel an excessive blooming? If I turn off the local dimming is a huge crap full of clouding, much worse than my old 55hu7500. Thanks
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Hi guys! First time poster here.

I've spent the last month considering a number of TVs, and I think I'll be finally ordering a 55" x930e.

Before ordering, I wanted to hear from those of you that had this set for a while now. Do you still like the TV, or do you regret buying it? Given the choice would you still buy this set or would you go with something else? Anything I should know about this TV before ordering?

Thanks for your help!
Spent 6 months checking specs reading reviews, forums and waiting for the best price. The 2 sets I had it down too were the 65" OLED LG C7 and 65" 930E. Even watched the LG at mate's place for several hours.

The Sony 930E is a very good TV. PQ is pretty amazing. Does the LG look better? Yes it does for movies. Does OLED have its issues? Yes it does.

Why did I buy the Sony? Sony price dropped 20% just before Christmas, stand height was right for my sound bar, had a component input for cable, PQ is great and Sony's upscale tech is better (in Australia a lot of OTA is 576p).

Understand US owners have access to DV update (not available outside the US) but the Sony DV debacle is really annoying. So if you would like DV get the LG B7/C7 it looks fantastic.

930e is a heavy TV so if your wall mounting double check load bearing capabilities of the wall.

Lastly, out of the box there is a quite a bit of experimentation with picture settings to get each input at the PQ that suits your viewing. Unless you get the new C8 with auto cal your most likely be doing this anyway with any panel.
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I am getting ready to purchase a 65" 930E to replace a 6 year old Sharp 60" as it seems to be a lot of TV for the money. Just curious will I notice much of a difference in picture quality compared to my Sharp?
What model Sharp? I just moved from a LE640U and can tell you that it took some adjusting to get used to the picture change. You definitely feel some degradation depending on your signal quality. i.e. CNBC just stinks in comparison.

I also took the calibration that was recommended here and adjusted it slightly since I wasn't pleased with it the way it was. Increased brightness a bit to 8 (from 5), increased color a bit, sharpness and introduced more blue.

It's a great tv and I can't wait to experience 4k, HDR and DV content on it once I get my receiver set up.
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What model Sharp? I just moved from a LE640U and can tell you that it took some adjusting to get used to the picture change. You definitely feel some degradation depending on your signal quality. i.e. CNBC just stinks in comparison.

I also took the calibration that was recommended here and adjusted it slightly since I wasn't pleased with it the way it was. Increased brightness a bit to 8 (from 5), increased color a bit, sharpness and introduced more blue.

It's a great tv and I can't wait to experience 4k, HDR and DV content on it once I get my receiver set up.
I currently have the Sharp LC-60C8470U. I have been looking at both the X930e and the x900f, but I have not seen the x900f in person yet.


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gotta say, my 930E panel may be the most uniform, perfect panel i've ever owned and i've had a lot. Corners aren't dim, no DSE, no banding, torture tests reveal nothing. My 930D had some issues but didn't kill me but would reveal themselves upon test patterns and some real world viewing. I'm very happy with mine.
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which tests can I do for uniformity, blooming,clouding?
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gotta say, my 930E panel may be the most uniform, perfect panel i've ever owned and i've had a lot. Corners aren't dim, no DSE, no banding, torture tests reveal nothing. My 930D had some issues but didn't kill me but would reveal themselves upon test patterns and some real world viewing. I'm very happy with mine.
I agree. The most significant flaw is the well-known blooming that occurs in the vicinity of a bright object on a black background.
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gotta say, my 930E panel may be the most uniform, perfect panel i've ever owned and i've had a lot. Corners aren't dim, no DSE, no banding, torture tests reveal nothing. My 930D had some issues but didn't kill me but would reveal themselves upon test patterns and some real world viewing. I'm very happy with mine.
I hope I'll be as lucky as you when I order and receive mine. What worry me a bit is the reaction of some very vocal 930E owners, especially on some Youtube channels where they claim their panel has so much clouding its unbearable (the TV being edge LED and all). Anybody here actually saw something like that with their set?
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gotta say, my 930E panel may be the most uniform, perfect panel i've ever owned and i've had a lot. Corners aren't dim, no DSE, no banding, torture tests reveal nothing. My 930D had some issues but didn't kill me but would reveal themselves upon test patterns and some real world viewing. I'm very happy with mine.
Mine also, knock on wood.
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I hope I'll be as lucky as you when I order and receive mine. What worry me a bit is the reaction of some very vocal 930E owners, especially on some Youtube channels where they claim their panel has so much clouding its unbearable (the TV being edge LED and all). Anybody here actually saw something like that with their set?
No,Relax,it’s a fabulous panel.I’ve been living with my 65” for nearly four months and every day’s viewing is something’s to be eagerly looked forward to.I also got the Sony x800 4K player at the same time and the real highlight of my viewing is the upscaling of my Blu ray discs.. . jaw dropping quality at times.
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I hope I'll be as lucky as you when I order and receive mine. What worry me a bit is the reaction of some very vocal 930E owners, especially on some Youtube channels where they claim their panel has so much clouding its unbearable (the TV being edge LED and all). Anybody here actually saw something like that with their set?
The TV has local dimming, so clouding is never going to be a problem.
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Got the update here in India too. Installed it via USB.

Is there any way we could identify if the content playing is Dolby Vision or not? Like it shows "HDR" in Picture settings currently for HDR10 content.

Also, what content on Amazon Prime is DV? Can't wait to get a test run of DV content on the TV.

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Yep, that I know but to be honest, for me 4K is not really what I need. It's HDR and excellent color overall that interests me most.
Anyway, as said, what I'm wondering is to what extent uniformity/DSE is more of a problem on a 65" than on a 55". The 65" is expensive, bulky and heavy enough that I'm not eager having to return a bad unit [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG].
I have a 65 inch and I don't have any DSE or uniformity issues on mine. I could get mine off my mount and back into the box in under 30 minutes with a second pair of hands so I think the bulky/heavy thing is a bit hyperbolic. There's no magic eight ball that's going to be able to tell you what the set in the box is going to look like until you get one for yourself though unfortunately. Good luck.

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which tests can I do for uniformity, blooming,clouding?
Just watch normal content and maybe the built in YouTube apps grey splash screen. Other than that don't go looking for things that normal TV watching will never reveal.

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Hi guys! First time poster here.

I've spent the last month considering a number of TVs, and I think I'll be finally ordering a 55" x930e.

Before ordering, I wanted to hear from those of you that had this set for a while now. Do you still like the TV, or do you regret buying it? Given the choice would you still buy this set or would you go with something else? Anything I should know about this TV before ordering?

Thanks for your help!
Just to add my 2 cents. Go buy the TV!! I've had mine since release month and paid full price. Still blown away to this day. Only downside is the slow Andriod tv system built in.
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Hey guys! This is my first time posting on here. I'm new to this type of TV, so I am struggling to know the difference in blooming/clouding/flash lighting. I definitely notice something in the black bars, and it is definitely worse at a slight angle. I've had this TV for 3 months, so I just need to be able to make sure anything going on with my panel is normal. If someone wouldn't mind checking out the pictures I attached that would be great. These pics are from the 4K HDR blu ray. I just want to make sure the color loss in HDR at a slight angle is normal as well. Thanks again!
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Hey guys! This is my first time posting on here. I'm new to this type of TV, so I am struggling to know the difference in blooming/clouding/flash lighting. I definitely notice something in the black bars, and it is definitely worse at a slight angle. I've had this TV for 3 months, so I just need to be able to make sure anything going on with my panel is normal. If someone wouldn't mind checking out the pictures I attached that would be great. These pics are from the 4K HDR blu ray. I just want to make sure the color loss in HDR at a slight angle is normal as well. Thanks again!
I'm actually unable to post links yet, but if someone can message me I'd love to get some help. The pictures were too large to attach.
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gotta say, my 930E panel may be the most uniform, perfect panel i've ever owned and i've had a lot. Corners aren't dim, no DSE, no banding, torture tests reveal nothing. My 930D had some issues but didn't kill me but would reveal themselves upon test patterns and some real world viewing. I'm very happy with mine.
I also am happy to say my 55 is almost perfect. No clouding even with local diming OFF. Not one dead or stuck pixel and excellent uniformity. Glad I won the panel lottery (this time)! A few members have not been as lucky. But when you do, this model will NOT disappoint. The picture can truely amaze you. I use to be a Samsung only fan but not anymore.
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Is my internet speed not good enough for smart tv apps?

I cant get apps to stream in 4k and /or hdr on my sony x930e, they always choose a non-hdr lower resolution by themselves and i cant find a way to increase it. i only have a 16-20 mbps connection, in daytime i get around 16, at night it goes upto 20 with less server load, i have connected with ethernet cable to my netgear router, the dang apps none of them give me 4k hdr. i read that netflix requires minimum 40 mbps for 4k hdr streaming, true that? i cant get more speed unless i change my house to another location where higher speeds are available. im so pissed.
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I have a DSL connection through my local phone company which offers me a nominal 20 Mbps internet connection (over copper wire). To test, I turned on the Youtube diagnostic mode that reports connection speed continuously, and that reports a peak speed of 16-17 Mbps. Judging from the reported modes of Netflix and Amazon videos, I do get UHD and HDR (though I do not claim that I can tell this by naked eye).

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i get about same speed in test result, but the signal is not 4k if i press the tv info button that shows the resolution on screen and the hdr tab doesnt show up on the x930e with netflix, and i have tried videos that are confirmed 4k hdr and using a premium one month trial of netflix. it's about to expire, but never have i been able to get a 4k hdr stream working, im thinking 16-20 mbps is not enough.
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4K movies have bitrates much higher than 16-20mbps so I would assume if your network is slower than that you wouldn't be able to play them without them lagging and stuttering which is probably why they don't allow it. The only way it would work is if they compress them significantly, but at that point you might as well just watch in 1080.

You could try Amazon Video instead since they let you download files instead of streaming them. I'm not sure if they let you do it with 4K, you'd have to check. Then you could just download them ahead of time and your internet speed wouldn't matter.

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