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In the actual review he talks about how bad it is in relation to the edge lit tech. Starts at just after 3mins
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Lol you can’t just judge by that lol, he even says the position of the set and the angle will give an impression. I own a 65 930e and have a 55 900e in my bedroom. The only difference between the 900e and f is the chip. I can tell you even the 900e with less zones being fald Lit has way less blooming.

Ask anyone here lol that’s the downfall of edge lit tech, heavy blooming. Sorry to bust your bubble.. the blooming especially hdr on letterboxed playback is horrible at times.

But hey believe what you want it’s your money. Personally blooming doesn’t bother me and I have bias lighting. If you think it won’t be noticeable you will be greatly disappointed

Vincent clearly states several times in his video that blooming on the 930E is better controlled than on the other two. The Rtings review, which was published before the debut of the 930F, also says that blooming is better controlled on the 930E than on the 900E:


"When compared to the X900E, a full array backlight TV with local dimming, the X930E local dimming feels more refined and in the end, the result looks a bit better."


So you might have a defective 930E.
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Vincent clearly states several times in his video that blooming on the 930E is better controlled than on the other two. The Rtings review, which was published before the debut of the 930F, also says that blooming is better controlled on the 930E than on the 900E:


"When compared to the X900E, a full array backlight TV with local dimming, the X930E local dimming feels more refined and in the end, the result looks a bit better."


So you might have a defective 930E.
Lol I don’t have a defective panel. Are you talking about blooming as per LD ? I’m talking about the edge lit blooming that is clearly showing in the review video I posted where letterboxed movies look horrible. As I’ve said check 3:30. I’ve never seen the bleed bloom that bad on my 900e ever.
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Lol I don’t have a defective panel. Are you talking about blooming as per LD ? I’m talking about the edge lit blooming that is clearly showing in the review video I posted where letterboxed movies look horrible. As I’ve said check 3:30. I’ve never seen the bleed bloom that bad on my 900e ever.

Have you viewed that same movie and scene on your 900e? Both sets have reports of light bleed and blooming in certain scenarios.
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I never notice blooming on my 930e, but I don’t watch it in a pitch black room. I save that for my oled tv.
I agree, while I certainly can see some blooming at times on my X930E, it is a non-issue and does absolutely nothing to detract from the spectacular picture. Also, despite how some are portraying comparisons of back-lit to edge-lit performance, the X930E is not a typical edge-lit set. Because of the uniqueness of Slim Backlight Drive +, the 930 is much more like a FALD set, and in fact outperforms many of them. Also, no matter what some OLED snobs might like to believe, blooming actually occurs to varying degrees on EVERY TV, regardless of technology. Sony has said that CES attendees even said they saw blooming on their CLEDIS demo display, even though its micro-LED technology is incapable of producing it. The reason: Our eyes will produce a certain perception of blooming, no matter what type of TV we are viewing, because of diffraction within the lenses of our eyes.

So, if anyone dreams of some future TV technology that will eliminate blooming 100%, sorry to tell you but it’s never going to occur.
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Have you viewed that same movie and scene on your 900e? Both sets have reports of light bleed and blooming in certain scenarios.
Yes, and because the edge lit tech is at the top and bottom instead of the sides like most tvs using the tech, lightbleed blooming is worse then a backlit for the obvious reasons of he light source being where the letterbox bars are lol. Again it clearly was shown in the 930e review I posted.
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Yes, and because the edge lit tech is at the top and bottom instead of the sides like most tvs using the tech, lightbleed blooming is worse then a backlit for the obvious reasons of he light source being where the letterbox bars are lol. Again it clearly was shown in the 930e review I posted.


I think the Samsung edge-lit sets switched to top and bottom lighting also. Be it backlight or edge lit when you have a bright highlights near the black bars you are gonna get blooming. The degree of brightness will vary based on the set. Even the Z9D has reports of blooming in the black bars. You keep referring to that video where Vincent points out the blooming for the 930e, but continue to disregard his direct comparison video which he clearly states 930e has the edge in local dimming.
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Hi,

Is there a different recommended Brightness level for Dolby Vision or is it the same as HDR 10 content?
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Yes, and because the edge lit tech is at the top and bottom instead of the sides like most tvs using the tech, lightbleed blooming is worse then a backlit for the obvious reasons of he light source being where the letterbox bars are lol. Again it clearly was shown in the 930e review I posted.
I did not say that the 930E has no blooming. Of course it has, it's a LCD display and all LCD displays, no matter the technology suffer of blooming. My point was and still is that between the X900E, X930E and X900F, the X930E has the best local dimming and less blooming out of those three according to Vincent's comparison review. If you are going to use Vincent's X930E review to demonstrate that the X930E has blooming, which nobody here says is false, then you have to watch the comparison review from the same person (Vincent) as well and admit that at the end he recommends the X930E over the other two models because it has less blooming and local dimming is superior, period.
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My XD93 is being replaced with the XE93 due to screen flickering issue's I'm having, the DPS board was replaced a few months back too.

Has anyone gone from the XD93 to the XE93 and regretted it?

Anything I should be aware of other than the usual LCD/LED issue's

How is it in terms of blooming compared to the XD93? better, worse or about the same?

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Is there a different recommended Brightness level for Dolby Vision or is it the same as HDR 10 content?


Whatever looks good to you. I have gamma +2 or max and black at 65.


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Sorry but that's not the case according to this review from Vincent. Check on min 4:57 on this video and you will clearly see that the X930E has less blooming than the X900E and X900F.

X930E vs X900E vs X900F
Lol you can’t just judge by that lol, he even says the position of the set and the angle will give an impression. I own a 65 930e and have a 55 900e in my bedroom. The only difference between the 900e and f is the chip. I can tell you even the 900e with less zones being fald Lit has way less blooming.

Ask anyone here lol that’s the downfall of edge lit tech, heavy blooming. Sorry to bust your bubble.. the blooming especially hdr on letterboxed playback is horrible at times.

But hey believe what you want it’s your money. Personally blooming doesn’t bother me and I have bias lighting. If you think it won’t be noticeable you will be greatly disappointed
Sorry I have to respond to this - as with my previous posts I went through 2 - x900’s and had to return them because of the bloom and haloing. The x930e has much much less blooming because of the way sony made zones even though it’s edge lit. Just look up other reviews and comparisons it’ll show the x930e with much less blooming.
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Is anyone here having trouble getting their TV to play God of War PS4 in HDR mode? When I boot up the game it flips to HDR mode at the main menu screen then promptly flips back to SDR. I can’t for the life of me figure out why this is happening? Can someone here who owns the game give it a try and see if they get the same result? I’ve had no problem getting this to work with my other games.
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Sorry I have to respond to this - as with my previous posts I went through 2 - x900’s and had to return them because of the bloom and haloing. The x930e has much much less blooming because of the way sony made zones even though it’s edge lit. Just look up other reviews and comparisons it’ll show the x930e with much less blooming.
How many zones on the930?
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Does anyone else find Netflix Dolby Vision content to be significantly darker than HDR10 content, even when brightness and contrast for DV are set to max?
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How many zones on the930?
According to Vincent, 72 zones.
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Anyone here with directv genie mini 4k boxes hooked up to there 930e? When powering up the genie and tv its takes about 30 seconds for the signal to show up. Kind of annoying. It's not the genie since I swapped it with another unit and the same thing happened, on my other tvs the genie displays in about 7 seconds of powering on.

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Sorry I have to respond to this - as with my previous posts I went through 2 - x900’s and had to return them because of the bloom and haloing. The x930e has much much less blooming because of the way sony made zones even though it’s edge lit. Just look up other reviews and comparisons it’ll show the x930e with much less blooming.
I think ppl are miss understanding the edge light bloom/ bleed I’m talking about in letterboxed playback with blooming of say a total black background with say a whit title of the movie in the center. The only areas it’s really bad on these sets is the top and bottom as that’s where the light tech is. Again he goes over it in the review starting at 3:30 lol ?
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Anyone here with directv genie mini 4k boxes hooked up to there 930e? When powering up the genie and tv its takes about 30 seconds for the signal to show up. Kind of annoying. It's not the genie since I swapped it with another unit and the same thing happened, on my other tvs the genie displays in about 7 seconds of powering on.

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Lol you can’t just judge by that lol, he even says the position of the set and the angle will give an impression. I own a 65 930e and have a 55 900e in my bedroom. The only difference between the 900e and f is the chip. I can tell you even the 900e with less zones being fald Lit has way less blooming.

Ask anyone here lol that’s the downfall of edge lit tech, heavy blooming. Sorry to bust your bubble.. the blooming especially hdr on letterboxed playback is horrible at times.

But hey believe what you want it’s your money. Personally blooming doesn’t bother me and I have bias lighting. If you think it won’t be noticeable you will be greatly disappointed
Hey I owned the 900e for a few weeks. Although I did get a good panel, the blooming seemed less noticable on my Exchanged upgraded and same panel size 930E. Vincent was right on his demonstration in compairing blooming between these models AND the least amount of displayed bloom was on the 930e
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Anyone here with directv genie mini 4k boxes hooked up to there 930e? When powering up the genie and tv its takes about 30 seconds for the signal to show up. Kind of annoying. It's not the genie since I swapped it with another unit and the same thing happened, on my other tvs the genie displays in about 7 seconds of powering on.

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It's the Genie and not the TV. I have the C61K and it just takes time for the Genie to boot.
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Is anyone here having trouble getting their TV to play God of War PS4 in HDR mode? When I boot up the game it flips to HDR mode at the main menu screen then promptly flips back to SDR. I can’t for the life of me figure out why this is happening? Can someone here who owns the game give it a try and see if they get the same result? I’ve had no problem getting this to work with my other games.
I have the tv setup on Game mode and it gives me HDR with no issues. Good Luck

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Not bad for a mid tear FALD TV.......
Not bad at all for an edge lit TV. Now if you compare it with the 648 zones on the 65" ZD9 and 800 zones on the 75" ZD9, then that's another history

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I have the tv setup on Game mode and it gives me HDR with no issues. Good Luck
No issues for me either with GoW. The HDR implementation in the game looks fantastic!

I'm assuming you have Enhanced HDMI inputs enabled in settings and have your PS4 Pro hooked up to HDMI2 or 3 on your TV. I believe those are the only two that support 4K60/HDR.

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So when do you think we'll see a new firmware in the North America region? I'm especially interested in one of the fix the UK/European markets recently got:
Resolves an issue where SDR content flashes/flickers while the TV's HDR setting is set to "Auto"

Source: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/s...loads/00015236

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Is anyone here having trouble getting their TV to play God of War PS4 in HDR mode? When I boot up the game it flips to HDR mode at the main menu screen then promptly flips back to SDR. I can’t for the life of me figure out why this is happening? Can someone here who owns the game give it a try and see if they get the same result? I’ve had no problem getting this to work with my other games.
Works ok for me. Have you tried an old save file to see if its something weird with your current saved game? Just guessing.
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I have a question for you fellow x930e owners. Do you notice if the top and bottom of the screen is a shade darker than the rest? Mine looks that way, so I was just wondering. It's not anything real distracting, but I definitely notice a subtle gradient there.
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It's the Genie and not the TV. I have the C61K and it just takes time for the Genie to boot.

It has to do with the C61k doing the hdmi handshake with the 930e I believe. I have another C61k in the living room hooked up to my LG plasma and it shows the signal in less than 10 seconds.
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It has to do with the C61k doing the hdmi handshake with the 930e I believe. I have another C61k in the living room hooked up to my LG plasma and it shows the signal in less than 10 seconds.
It could be that it takes longer for the C61K to do handshake with a 4K TV. I am sure the plasma does not have 4K or HDR - HLG support and the HDCP authentication might be a different version. Current TV's use HDCP 2.2.

In my case I just know there will be a delay and I wait as I do not want my box on all the time.
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