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Dave4Steelers 03-05-2017 05:46 AM

Samsung MU8000 (No Price Talk)
 
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I was browsing Samsung's site and came across a new UN55MU8000FXZA. I chatted with Samsung rep and he said this is successor to popular KS8000. He mentioned this set is nearing 1500 NITS in brightness. But what was confusing is when I asked what types of HDR this supports he just said 4K HDR Extreme. I went ahead and ordered the 55 inch based on popularity of KS8000 series. Anyone heard of this set and have any more info? I missed seeing this announced.

Dave4Steelers 03-05-2017 06:47 AM

Link On Samsung site for this 2017 Model.
 

cah95046 03-05-2017 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave4Steelers (Post 51252025)
I was browsing Samsung's site and came across a new UN55MU8000FXZA. I chatted with Samsung rep and he said this is successor to popular KS8000. He mentioned this set is nearing 1500 NITS in brightness. But what was confusing is when I asked what types of HDR this supports he just said 4K HDR Extreme. I went ahead and ordered the 55 inch based on popularity of KS8000 series. Anyone heard of this set and have any more info? I missed seeing this announced.

FWIW, KS series has QD and motheye. MU series doesn't. Both are very important to me.

joe75xp 03-05-2017 08:17 AM

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...es-2017-a.html

Discussion and speculation of the MU since CES here ^

Just yesterday we found out even the Q7 does not surpass the KS8000. You might want to cancel your order and wait for more definitive reviews.

audacious nick 03-05-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cah95046 (Post 51254313)
FWIW, KS series has QD and motheye. MU series doesn't. Both are very important to me.

That has not been confirmed, that has only been speculated based on several chats with script-readers. Do you have hands-on experience with the MU-series, yet? Or have a definitive source, which excludes chat for obvious reasons, for said information?

If it doesn't, it doesn't. That's cool. But we definitive proof of that information.

bobknavs 03-05-2017 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cah95046 (Post 51254313)
FWIW, KS series has QD and motheye. MU series doesn't. Both are very important to me.

I'm not sure that's true. The published specs on the MU series makes it look like it could basically be re-labeled KS. I haven't found any review sites that have tested any MU models.

I imagine that Samsung has to avoid making them sound too much like the expensive QLED models.

A motheye antireflection coating is a mixed blessing. It can be effective, but it's also very fragile.

Dave4Steelers 03-05-2017 09:44 AM

I am putting in a basement with no windows. Reflection for me is not an issue. I am coming from a 2012 panasonic plasma, which has good picture but tends to have darker picture. I wanted a high nit HDR set under 1600 for 55 inch. Not sure if uses Quantum Dots but I'm sure they dont want to lessen QLED. I dont want want to spend 2300 on Q series. I considered the Sony 900E but early reviews claim good picture just not as bright as say 930E. They claim billions of colors how they get that without some form of quantum dot not sure.

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Dave4Steelers 03-05-2017 09:53 AM

I also noticed they labeled last years KS series a SUHD and this MU series Premium UHD?

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ray0414 03-05-2017 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave4Steelers (Post 51256417)
I am putting in a basement with no windows. Reflection for me is not an issue. I am coming from a 2012 panasonic plasma, which has good picture but tends to have darker picture. I wanted a high nit HDR set under 1600 for 55 inch. Not sure if uses Quantum Dots but I'm sure they dont want to lessen QLED. I dont want want to spend 2300 on Q series. I considered the Sony 900E but early reviews claim good picture just not as bright as say 930E. They claim billions of colors how they get that without some form of quantum dot not sure.

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900e will probably be between 850-1000 nits. It'll very likely be a better overall tv than the MU series. Need to wait for some nit numbers for that area, but I'm sure the 900e will be bright enough for a basement with no windows.

Latinoheat 03-05-2017 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave4Steelers (Post 51256417)
I am putting in a basement with no windows. Reflection for me is not an issue. I am coming from a 2012 panasonic plasma, which has good picture but tends to have darker picture. I wanted a high nit HDR set under 1600 for 55 inch. Not sure if uses Quantum Dots but I'm sure they dont want to lessen QLED. I dont want want to spend 2300 on Q series. I considered the Sony 900E but early reviews claim good picture just not as bright as say 930E. They claim billions of colors how they get that without some form of quantum dot not sure.

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Coming from a plasma you will be most likely be disappointed in nighttime viewing with the lights off in the basement. I'm sure it will look great with bright scenes though.

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Originally Posted by Dave4Steelers (Post 51256617)
I also noticed they labeled last years KS series a SUHD and this MU series Premium UHD?

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It's all just marketing to sell tvs.

bobknavs 03-05-2017 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave4Steelers (Post 51256417)
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They claim billions of colors how they get that without some form of quantum dot not sure.

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Billions of colors = 10 bit color (10 bits each for RGB, 30 bits altogether, 2^30 = 1.07 billion). No quantum dots are required. The benefit of QDs was more related to obtaining a WCG (wide color gamut).

Some TVs with 8 bit panels will display 10 bit color using a temporal dithering scheme (FRC). rtings.com lists such TVs as 10 bit.

mithras1 03-05-2017 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bobknavs (Post 51256129)
I'm not sure that's true. The published specs on the MU series makes it look like it could basically be re-labeled KS. I haven't found any review sites that have tested any MU models.

I imagine that Samsung has to avoid making them sound too much like the expensive QLED models.

A motheye antireflection coating is a mixed blessing. It can be effective, but it's also very fragile.

The specs say it has an Ultra Clear Panel which was a predecessor of Moth Eye (iirc there was the basic Ultra Clear Panel and a higher end one as well on the topmodels; Ultra Clear Pro?) so it probably doesn't have Moth Eye already. If it did still have Quantum Dots they would have called it the MS8000? But unlike the QD's you can check the presence of Moth Eye from the service menu panel/ 'option' code ... Specs say it has Active Crystal Color like the KU models did whereas the KS8000 out of the three options explicitely mentions:
"Color (Quantum Dot/Active Crystal/PurColor): Quantum Dot Color" [well the entire KS8000 page is full of Quantum Dot references and not a single one on the MU8000 page]


Samsung Germany says it reaches 1000 nits (probably the HDR1000 spec?) like last year's topmodels (I do see HDR1000 on the KS8000 page indeed) and (in the) 90% DCI P3

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Die neuen Premium UHD Fernseher der MU-Serie stehen für hohe Ansprüche. Die Geräte der Serien MU9009 (Curved), MU8009 (Flat) und MU7009 (Flat) sind in Größen zwischen 49 und 75 Zoll (123 bis 163 cm) Bilddiagonale erhältlich und erreichen die von den Flaggschiffen des Vorjahres bekannte sehr hohe Spitzenhelligkeit von bis zu 1.000 Nits. Mit HDR-Unterstützung und einer 90-prozentigen Abdeckung des DCI-Kinofarbraums bieten Sie anspruchsvollen Kunden einen hohen Sehkomfort. Die Bildverbesserungstechnologie Dynamic Crystal Color sorgt für eine hohe Farbsättigung, die Supreme UHD Dimming Engine ermöglicht eine präzise Kontrastansteuerung – für besonders lebensechte Bilder.
https://news.samsung.com/de/samsung-...hlandpremiere/

cah95046 03-05-2017 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mithras1 (Post 51258785)
The specs say it has an Ultra Clear Panel which was a predecessor of Moth Eye (iirc there was the basic Ultra Clear Panel and a higher end one as well on the topmodels; Ultra Clear Pro?) so it probably doesn't have Moth Eye already. If it did still have Quantum Dots they would have called it the MS8000? But unlike the QD's you can check the presence of Moth Eye from the service menu panel/ 'option' code ... Specs say it has Active Crystal Color like the KU models did whereas the KS8000 out of the three options explicitely mentions:
"Color (Quantum Dot/Active Crystal/PurColor): Quantum Dot Color" [well the entire KS8000 page is full of Quantum Dot references and not a single one on the MU8000 page]


Samsung Germany says it reaches 1000 nits (probably the HDR1000 spec?) like last year's topmodels (I do see HDR1000 on the KS8000 page indeed) and (in the) 90% DCI P3

Yes, no QD or moth eye. Just as one should expect given the absence of such a claim in the product literature (or customer service script).

ray0414 03-05-2017 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cah95046 (Post 51262705)
Yes, no QD or moth eye. Just as one should expect given the absence of such a claim in the product literature (or customer service script).


Samsung refers to their moth eye application as "Ultra black" feature. And yes, the MU tvs have this feature.

rikkyjames 03-05-2017 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 51257209)
900e will probably be between 850-1000 nits. It'll very likely be a better overall tv than the MU series. Need to wait for some nit numbers for that area, but I'm sure the 900e will be bright enough for a basement with no windows.

I am hearing that the Sony 900E only has 20 local dimming zones so it might not be quite the bargain it initially appeared.


ray0414 03-05-2017 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rikkyjames (Post 51267473)
I am hearing that the Sony 900E only has 20 local dimming zones so it might not be quite the bargain it initially appeared.


Which size?

I'd likely still choose a 20 zone fald over an edge lit tv with 14 fake zones.

rikkyjames 03-05-2017 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 51267833)
Which size?

I'd likely still choose a 20 zone fald over an edge lit tv with 14 fake zones.

According to the podcast it was the 65" model - review will no doubt be up in the next coupld of days ... he seems to think the the limited amount of zones will actually be an advantage for things like sport and panning shots.

mithras1 03-06-2017 01:44 AM

And where is 'Ultra Black' listed for the MU8000? You can search the entire page for black and not come across 'Ultra Black' ... so I guess that confirms it does in fact not have Moth Eye? Of course in Europe they surprisingly call Moth Eye: Moth Eye, so that leaves nothing to the guestimagintion (when you look for it in the specs) ...

edit: so it seems the screen filter tech has been repackaged and is now either: Essential Black (MU7000, there was no mention of Ultra Black for the MU7000 in the convention specs) or Triple Black (MU8000 & 9000, with Triple Black the one that could contain Moth Eye, but again no mention of either of these nor Ultra Black on the Samsung MU8000 product page)
edit 2: Crutchfield explanation
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Triple Black: The Samsung UHD TV incorporates three unique technologies to bring out enhanced detail with deeper blacks, letting you see greater detail even in the shadows of dark scenes.
  • Ultra-Clear Panel: Its Ultra-Clear Panel also absorbs ambient light better, reduces reflections and lets the picture come to life. It displays deeper blacks and enhanced contrast for crystal clarity and reduces glare, so you can see clearly and enjoy more detail.
  • Ultra Black Technology: Samsung's Ultra Black technology uses and outer layer of nano-sized ridges along the LCD panel to better absorb or re-direct light which in turn prevents reflection and glare.
  • Precision Black Local Dimming: Precision Black Local Dimming dims LEDs behind the darkest area of the picture for greater contrast and darker blacks, while the brighter elements remain as bright as they should be for sharper contrast.

Two out of three listed on the Samsung spec page but not Ultra Black/Moth Eye ...

ray0414 03-06-2017 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mithras1 (Post 51273617)
And where is 'Ultra Black' listed for the MU8000? You can search the entire page for black and not come across 'Ultra Black' ... so I guess that confirms it does in fact not have Moth Eye? Of course in Europe they surprisingly call Moth Eye: Moth Eye, so that leaves nothing to the guestimagintion (when you look for it in the specs) ...

edit: so it seems the screen filter tech has been repackaged and is now either: Essential Black (MU7000, there was no mention of Ultra Black for the MU7000 in the convention specs) or Triple Black (MU8000 & 9000, with Triple Black the one that could contain Moth Eye, but again no mention of either of these nor Ultra Black on the Samsung MU8000 product page)
edit 2: Crutchfield explanation

Two out of three listed on the Samsung spec page but not Ultra Black/Moth Eye ...

Ultra Black was listed last week under the mu8000 specs under the features checklist. I checked it at least 3 seperate times. I just checked again and it's now gone.


FWIW: Here's the samsung explanation about how ultra black (moth eye filter) works:


https://news.samsung.com/global/ultr...ts-to-watch-tv

430 hp 70 03-08-2017 07:54 AM

Any update on these yet? I too saw the samsung specs on their page listing ultra black before they changed them. Seems weird. Why the change? A mistake originally? I can't see them decide to make a sets specs seem worse than they really are.

If what we hear so far is true and these are a uhd set in samsungs terms, then there is no 65" $2k option for a comparable ks8000 this year. Seems like they would be losing a ton of the segment.

Dave4Steelers 03-08-2017 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 430 hp 70 (Post 51335289)
Any update on these yet? I too saw the samsung specs on their page listing ultra black before they changed them. Seems weird. Why the change? A mistake originally? I can't see them decide to make a sets specs seem worse than they really are.

If what we hear so far is true and these are a uhd set in samsungs terms, then there is no 65" $2k option for a comparable ks8000 this year. Seems like they would be losing a ton of the segment.

My 55MU8000 is shipped. I should have in 3 days to give my impressions on it.

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bobknavs 03-08-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mithras1 (Post 51258785)
The specs say it has an Ultra Clear Panel which was a predecessor of Moth Eye (iirc there was the basic Ultra Clear Panel and a higher end one as well on the topmodels; Ultra Clear Pro?) so it probably doesn't have Moth Eye already. If it did still have Quantum Dots they would have called it the MS8000? But unlike the QD's you can check the presence of Moth Eye from the service menu panel/ 'option' code ... Specs say it has Active Crystal Color like the KU models did whereas the KS8000 out of the three options explicitely mentions:
"Color (Quantum Dot/Active Crystal/PurColor): Quantum Dot Color" [well the entire KS8000 page is full of Quantum Dot references and not a single one on the MU8000 page]


Samsung Germany says it reaches 1000 nits (probably the HDR1000 spec?) like last year's topmodels (I do see HDR1000 on the KS8000 page indeed) and (in the) 90% DCI P3

At least in the US models, there was a distinction in the KU lines. The KU7000 series used "active crystal" color, which gave a slightly wider color gamut than for the KU6xxx models.

Trying to divine the details of the new models from Samsung's marketing information is good sport, but, as I have no plans to replace my KS8000 anytime soon, I'm content to wait for the reviews of the hardware after it comes to market.

Ballis 03-10-2017 08:36 AM

Do these still require that one conect breakout boxes to connect hdmi etc?

audacious nick 03-10-2017 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ballis (Post 51392537)
Do these still require that one conect breakout boxes to connect hdmi etc?

Yes

mithras1 03-10-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 51278265)
Ultra Black was listed last week under the mu8000 specs under the features checklist. I checked it at least 3 seperate times. I just checked again and it's now gone.


FWIW: Here's the samsung explanation about how ultra black (moth eye filter) works:


https://news.samsung.com/global/ultr...ts-to-watch-tv

Yes I did read about Moth Eye when it was introduced and it seems to work very well. The normal Ultra Clear Panel was also a plus for Samsung models ...
But as said earlier, determining the presence of Moth Eye should be fairly easy from the service menu.
Leaning on the convention specs, the MU7000 should not have an Ultra Black panel and MU8000 and 9000 should.

43A6MU0XK for example (see attachment) from the 43" KS8500 (7500 in Europe/7590 in Germany) where the M is the indication for Moth Eye (without this would be a U for Ultra Clear panel)

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Originally Posted by bobknavs (Post 51338113)
At least in the US models, there was a distinction in the KU lines. The KU7000 series used "active crystal" color, which gave a slightly wider color gamut than for the KU6xxx models.

Trying to divine the details of the new models from Samsung's marketing information is good sport, but, as I have no plans to replace my KS8000 anytime soon, I'm content to wait for the reviews of the hardware after it comes to market.

The KU7000 is the KU6400 in Europe so here it's the higher 'end' 6000 models ...

Now I've seen some seemingly official Samsung product sheets in pdf format on a German webshop but it says 8 bit Dynamic Crystal Color and Ultra Black for both the MU8000 & 9000 but 10 bit without Ultra Black for the MU7000 :rolleyes:. So indeed it seems they still need to sort things out :laugh:(edit: they seem to have two color versions of the MU7000 and the other also says 8 bit and other sizes say 10 again, also for the 8000/9000 :D)

Dave4Steelers 03-10-2017 06:07 PM

Official Samsung MU8000 Owners Thread
 
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Just got my Samsung 55MU8000 Delivered. So far a beautiful TV. Extremely bright and vivid colors. Would love to hear from others on their picture settings.

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430 hp 70 03-12-2017 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave4Steelers (Post 51336049)
My 55MU8000 is shipped. I should have in 3 days to give my impressions on it.

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Any update?

Dave4Steelers 03-12-2017 06:54 PM

Yes got it friday. Extremely happy with it. Not sure how it compares to ks8000. I wanted to rent uhd movie on vudu but apparently the app on tv doesnt allow it yet.

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Dave4Steelers 03-12-2017 06:55 PM

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Dave4Steelers 03-12-2017 06:59 PM

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Any update?

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