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Good morning guys. I am faced with a terrible dilemma. So, I just purchased the 900E and absolutely love it. Great gaming TV. However, the Best Buy close to me has an open box 55" Sony A1E OLED. It was purchased then returned on Jun. 26. From my understanding, Best buy will give me a crazy deal on an open box TV that has been returned and sitting on the shelf for over a month. Which brings up the question, should I pursue purchasing?, especially if I can talk them down to under $1000. To me, I think the 900E is a better gaming TV. I could be wrong though. The A1E def. has better picture and movie experience. If you guys were in my shoes, what would you do? Take the steal of a deal or let someone else get it. FYI my coworker works at this store part time and knows exactly how low they will let the TV go for.
Just go read the uniformity and banding thread for a few minutes on the OLED forum. If you like the pain and suffering of that and yellow / pink tinting, go for it, otherwise stay happy. ;-)

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Just go read the uniformity and banding thread for a few minutes on the OLED forum. If you like the pain and suffering of that and yellow / pink tinting, go for it, otherwise stay happy. ;-)

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Thanks for the input. I will check into this.
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Good morning guys. I am faced with a terrible dilemma. So, I just purchased the 900E and absolutely love it. Great gaming TV. However, the Best Buy close to me has an open box 55" Sony A1E OLED. It was purchased then returned on Jun. 26. From my understanding, Best buy will give me a crazy deal on an open box TV that has been returned and sitting on the shelf for over a month. Which brings up the question, should I pursue purchasing?, especially if I can talk them down to under $1000. To me, I think the 900E is a better gaming TV. I could be wrong though. The A1E def. has better picture and movie experience. If you guys were in my shoes, what would you do? Take the steal of a deal or let someone else get it. FYI my coworker works at this store part time and knows exactly how low they will let the TV go for.


Go for the oled! I have the x900e and a e6 lg oled and I can't tell you oled is still king. As long as the panel is good and there's no burn it I would do it in a heart beat.
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Good morning guys. I am faced with a terrible dilemma. So, I just purchased the 900E and absolutely love it. Great gaming TV. However, the Best Buy close to me has an open box 55" Sony A1E OLED. It was purchased then returned on Jun. 26. From my understanding, Best buy will give me a crazy deal on an open box TV that has been returned and sitting on the shelf for over a month. Which brings up the question, should I pursue purchasing?, especially if I can talk them down to under $1000. To me, I think the 900E is a better gaming TV. I could be wrong though. The A1E def. has better picture and movie experience. If you guys were in my shoes, what would you do? Take the steal of a deal or let someone else get it. FYI my coworker works at this store part time and knows exactly how low they will let the TV go for.
Give it a whirl and see what they say, if you will not buy it for $1000 or less let me know the store number and I will
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A power brick with a TV? Wtf
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Was so looking forward to setting the 75" today, unfortunately it came with a severely damaged screen. Chris from Cleveland Plasma is taking care of this for me but the delay sucks!

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Hello all...just brought my new 65" X900E into the living room. Setting it up after dinner. The 55" Hisense I originally bought was returned to the store. Couldn't take going from a 63" plasma to a 55" TV...was just bugging me. Looking forward to the X900

I bought a Roku Ultra...do I really need that with the 900E?
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Hello all...just brought my new 65" X900E into the living room. Setting it up after dinner. The 55" Hisense I originally bought was returned to the store. Couldn't take going from a 63" plasma to a 55" TV...was just bugging me. Looking forward to the X900

I bought a Roku Ultra...do I really need that with the 900E?
Yes youll need roku ultra, the androud tv on x900e is pretty sluggish to say the least. Youll appreciate the speed and overall polish of roku Ultra.

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Yes youll need roku ultra, the androud tv on x900e is pretty sluggish to say the least. Youll appreciate the speed and overall polish of roku Ultra.

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Thanks for the info! I hated the Amazon Firestick for that reason. Always felt laggy/slow.
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Hi all,

I have seen a few very positive reviews about this tv. I have a 2014 M series Vizio 80 tv and I sit about 15 feet away from the TV. I have no complaints about the tv as of yet except no 4k. Do you guys think I should get the sony 75 900e, it will be step down in term of size, but will it be worth it to upgrade and give up 5inch of screen size. Also, can I salvage the vizio somehow, like can i resell it and get something for it. I don't want to replace a working tv if I don't get any money for it at all.

How do some of you guys upgrade tv's every 3-4 years?
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Give it a whirl and see what they say, if you will not buy it for $1000 or less let me know the store number and I will
PARK LANE TX (Store 58)9378 N Central Expy
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I am going to pass. Will wait for next years lineup plus I got my 900E on a 24 month 0 APR deal. Gotta pay it off first. However, I talked to the employee today and he said that the guy that bought it had "Buyer's Remorse". He only had it for 1 week. Its up for grabs. And the longer it stays there, the more money they will take off. I convinced myself that the only thing wrong with my 900E is that it is not an OLED.
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I am going to pass. Will wait for next years lineup plus I got my 900E on a 24 month 0 APR deal. Gotta pay it off first. However, I talked to the employee today and he said that the guy that bought it had "Buyer's Remorse". He only had it for 1 week. Its up for grabs. And the longer it stays there, the more money they will take off. I convinced myself that the only thing wrong with my 900E is that it is not an OLED.
I think you also convinced yourself that the OLED is a better TV, sight unseen. (Or at least without having this set for a couple of weeks and viewing all content.) As mentioned in previous posts - lots of issues with OLED's including significant banding issues as reported on other AVS Forums.

I know this is a personal preference, but I do not like the overall black tint look of an OLED set. I've never been obsessed with "black levels" the way other folks are. I like the bright colors, the razor sharp picture, the panel uniformity (no banding) and most importantly, the upscaling capability of the Sony 900E. I also believe after watching all types of content that the black levels are excellent, even in a totally dark room.

I don't think there is anything wrong with your 900E. Enjoy it!
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Hi all,

I have seen a few very positive reviews about this tv. I have a 2014 M series Vizio 80 tv and I sit about 15 feet away from the TV. I have no complaints about the tv as of yet except no 4k. Do you guys think I should get the sony 75 900e, it will be step down in term of size, but will it be worth it to upgrade and give up 5inch of screen size. Also, can I salvage the vizio somehow, like can i resell it and get something for it. I don't want to replace a working tv if I don't get any money for it at all.

How do some of you guys upgrade tv's every 3-4 years?
My personal opinion, but it's hard to step down in screen size after you are used to an 80 inch set even though the picture quality will be better with the Sony versus the Vizio. And it is hard to sell a used TV and get alot of money for it. Just take a look at your local Craigslist and you'll see what I mean.

Upgrade wise, every five years or so is my upgrade cycle. That's about the time the technology has taken a huge leap and the price performance makes sense - usually for a larger screen!

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A power brick with a TV? Wtf
Yes, kind of bizzaro but it is what it is. The 75" does NOT have a power brick but all the other screen sizes do.

Many folks have been able to mount their "bricks" inconspicuously. Maybe Sony will re-think this practice for 2018 and beyond. Not optimal, for sure.

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Well, I thought everything was perfect my new 65 900E I got 2 weeks ago but yesterday night I noticed a black line while watching a soccer game. You can see it especially when the camera was moving (I was watching a soccer game) and on light colors (fog, green field etc..).
I still didn't have time to test other things and I was using the apple TV. But it looks like a panel issue rather than a device problem. Any idea if this is something I should call sony for?

I linked a picture where you can see the line. It's not easy to see but it's on the right side and it is especially marked next to the lonely player wearing a yellow jersey.

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Well, I thought everything was perfect my new 65 900E I got 2 weeks ago but yesterday night I noticed a black line while watching a soccer game. You can see it especially when the camera was moving (I was watching a soccer game) and on light colors (fog, green field etc..). ...]
Check the youtube video to see if you see it on that source. If so, I'd consider exercising your 30 day return/exchange policy.


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I bought a Roku Ultra...do I really need that with the 900E?
No you don't really NEED a Roku Uktra. The built-in apps are more than adequate to accommodate most streaming needs. Here's the main reason I start cursing the 900E while streaming something -- adjusting the picture settings. This is where the current limitations of the set appear as the picture and sound start to stutter, and menus take a while to load. However, once you're settings are adjusted on the TV, you won't have to access these menus very often during streaming. Otherwise, the Roku may be a bit faster in responding to in app requests, but I find all the built-in apps plenty responsive. The main criticism is accessing the system menus while streaming.

What you also give up is how the Sony has different picture settings available for different types of Apps. There is a picture setting for Video Apps, regular apps, gaming apps, and perhaps a few more. The Roku obviously is limited to one set of picture adjustments for everything on the box. This may not be an issue if you use it exclusively for movies.

As far as limitations, the one issue so far is that the built-in YouTube app does not present in HDR. The Roku evidently does not have this problem, but frankly, other than demo videos of HDR, I'm not sure what I'm missing by not having it at the moment.

For myself, I do intend to upgrade my Apple TV as soon as a 4K box becomes available, specifically because I do use AirPlay with my other Apple devices. I did price the Roku Uktra box, and can't really justify spending any more money on it as a temporary fix to what at the moment is a minor inconvenience, especially since it won't serve my other needs.

All this is to say -- you don't necessarily need an external box at all, but if what I've said concerns you, and the Roku will serve all your needs, then why not if you've got the money?
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Thanks for the info! I hated the Amazon Firestick for that reason. Always felt laggy/slow.
Glitchy, Glitchy, I will still use mine thought......
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Glitchy, Glitchy, I will still use mine thought......
I do love the look of the new update though and it felt slightly less laggy to me. I use it in the guest room TV.
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No you don't really NEED a Roku Uktra. The built-in apps are more than adequate to accommodate most streaming needs. Here's the main reason I start cursing the 900E while streaming something -- adjusting the picture settings. This is where the current limitations of the set appear as the picture and sound start to stutter, and menus take a while to load. However, once you're settings are adjusted on the TV, you won't have to access these menus very often during streaming. Otherwise, the Roku may be a bit faster in responding to in app requests, but I find all the built-in apps plenty responsive. The main criticism is accessing the system menus while streaming.

What you also give up is how the Sony has different picture settings available for different types of Apps. There is a picture setting for Video Apps, regular apps, gaming apps, and perhaps a few more. The Roku obviously is limited to one set of picture adjustments for everything on the box. This may not be an issue if you use it exclusively for movies.

As far as limitations, the one issue so far is that the built-in YouTube app does not present in HDR. The Roku evidently does not have this problem, but frankly, other than demo videos of HDR, I'm not sure what I'm missing by not having it at the moment.

For myself, I do intend to upgrade my Apple TV as soon as a 4K box becomes available, specifically because I do use AirPlay with my other Apple devices. I did price the Roku Uktra box, and can't really justify spending any more money on it as a temporary fix to what at the moment is a minor inconvenience, especially since it won't serve my other needs.

All this is to say -- you don't necessarily need an external box at all, but if what I've said concerns you, and the Roku will serve all your needs, then why not if you've got the money?
After messing with the TV all night I've come to this conclusion also. While the UI is a little sluggish, it does the job. Adding a Roku will only add a fast experience through the main apps I use...Plex, Hulu and Netflix. I'm a little saddened they don't offer OneDrive for some reason...but I can always connect to my backup drive through Kodi I guess but rather go through OneDrive.

One question I do have...i notice that 60FPS trailers and the such have that soap opera look without even turning on the motion options. I like that look. Watching Breaking Bad or any other 4K shows on Netflix don't have that look unless I turn on the motion options.

If I DO use my ROku plugged into the 4K/60fps HDMI, will all Netflix 4K shows now play at 60FPS and have that soap opera look without me having to turn on any Cine Motion or Motion Flow options?

EDIT: Now that I think about it, if it would always produce that 60fps HFR soap opera look, then I'd have no way to turn it off, especially for folks that would be over and hate that look. Yeah, I think i'm better off just returning the Roku and saving $105

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Check the youtube video to see if you see it on that source. If so, I'd consider exercising your 30 day return/exchange policy.

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Thank you I will try tonight. So it's called vertical banding. What are the chances I get a replacement with the same issue?
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Thank you I will try tonight. So it's called vertical banding. What are the chances I get a replacement with the same issue?
Every once in a while I'll be watching something and see what almost looks like is a vertical black strip behind the tv screen image. I'm guessing that is what vertical banding is? It does catch my eye, but I think I've only noticed it 2 or 3 times. I'm sure if I look for that rather than watch whats on the screen, I'd see it more often. From reading around, it sounds like it's a common occurrence with LED tvs. I've noticed it and forgot about it 5 seconds later. I'm curious if there is a setting that can help reduce that?
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and I don't see anything from the test above or anything like this on a gray screen


is it possible that I'm seeing one of the full array strips behind the tv because of the image being what it is at that right time and place?
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and I don't see anything from the test above or anything like this on a gray screen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdcqnynSW58

is it possible that I'm seeing one of the full array strips behind the tv because of the image being what it is at that right time and place?
I am not sure. I see this vertical line which is more marked in the upper part. It's especially visible when I am watching soccer or when I have fog on the screen. However, I 've only noticed it while using the apple tv.
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Hey everyone, just picked up this set today. I've been a long time Samsung owner (have a ks8000), and this is my first Sony TV in years! Since Samsung dropped the ball this year and I was in need of a 65" I decided to pull the trigger on this set rather than getting the MU8000 due to the positive 900E reviews. A few questions, if you don't mind

- I noticed a little plastic cover on the back of the TV that has an opening within... however there do not seem to be any connectors... not sure if that's for adding additional storage?

- I am going to mount this set to the wall, and will have a decent amount of space behind the tv. Would it be ok for me to stick it to the back of the TV in order to conceal it? I understand heat generated from the brick might become an issue however...

- I was very impressed by the display in the store but I know these are retail settings and I need to basically switch everything. I'm sure this has been discussed over and over, but for calibration settings should I just go off of rtings, or can someone suggest something better to use?

- Are the built-in apps decent enough? For 4K/HDR streaming I will be mostly using Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, and youtube... maybe the occasional google play store purchase here and there. Do all these apps support 4K and HDR streaming? Someone above mentioned that the youtube app does not support HDR?

- Is there any sort of built-in browser, the home menu is a bit confusing since it lists apps that I don't even have installed.
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Has anyone gotten the Dreamcast to show a picture on this TV? I'm using a VGA to HDMI adapter and nothing. Maybe the TV doesn't accept a 640x480 signal...
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Has anyone gotten the Dreamcast to show a picture on this TV? I'm using a VGA to HDMI adapter and nothing. Maybe the TV doesn't accept a 640x480 signal...
Works for me, but not on input 2 or 3, the enhanced inputs.
Try it on 4.
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Hey everyone, just picked up this set today. I've been a long time Samsung owner (have a ks8000), and this is my first Sony TV in years! Since Samsung dropped the ball this year and I was in need of a 65" I decided to pull the trigger on this set rather than getting the MU8000 due to the positive 900E reviews. A few questions, if you don't mind

- I noticed a little plastic cover on the back of the TV that has an opening within... however there do not seem to be any connectors... not sure if that's for adding additional storage?

- I am going to mount this set to the wall, and will have a decent amount of space behind the tv. Would it be ok for me to stick it to the back of the TV in order to conceal it? I understand heat generated from the brick might become an issue however...

- I was very impressed by the display in the store but I know these are retail settings and I need to basically switch everything. I'm sure this has been discussed over and over, but for calibration settings should I just go off of rtings, or can someone suggest something better to use?

- Are the built-in apps decent enough? For 4K/HDR streaming I will be mostly using Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, and youtube... maybe the occasional google play store purchase here and there. Do all these apps support 4K and HDR streaming? Someone above mentioned that the youtube app does not support HDR?

- Is there any sort of built-in browser, the home menu is a bit confusing since it lists apps that I don't even have installed.
1) I have asked about the plastic cover before, and have not gotten an answer. If you remove it, you'll notice there's nothing behind it. In reviewing the Sony literature online, it would appear there are some international models with built-in DVRs. If that's true, then this may be the access panel for the hard drive. I had thought about using the space to mount something, but it appears to be right next to the rear panel assembly, so I decided to leave it alone for both heat and potential damage issues.

2) Sony actually recommends mounting the brick to the back of the bottom right corner of the TV, and includes straps, and rubber bumpers, for doing just that. I didn't like that location and chose to mount it between my wall mount. My wall mount is fixed, so I'm not worried about securing it to the back of the TV. Also, presumably a higher capacity power supply (meaning more heat) is built into the 75X900E, so it appears to be a space issue. The external power supply in the smaller sets is not likely to generate more heat, than being inside the set, so there should be no issues whatsoever -- in fact it's a good thing since the heat will not be adding to that inside the set. I also prefer mounting mine near the top since most of the heat is going to dissipate without getting trapped behind the set as Sony recommends with their mounting instructions.

5) The default settings are pretty good, I tend to use a tuned-to-taste RTINGS.com settings.

4) All built-in apps have a great picture and seem to work extremely well. You Tube does not support HDR yet, but 4K is not a problem. Amazon and Netflix do support 4K/HDR, though I have noticed that the HDR options on the native Amazon app display gray bars on letterboxed movies, instead of black. It's enough that I won't rent 4K movies through Amazon because of it. The good news is that the upscaling ability of this set is so good, that 1080p looks almost as good as 4K.

5) You have to download the Opera Browser. I also downloaded Puffin, which tends to be a little faster, but more complicated to set up your own custom pages.
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Works for me, but not on input 2 or 3, the enhanced inputs.
Try it on 4.
Hmm yeah I did already. Tried 1 and 4. Strangely it works on another TV in the house but not this one. Did you have to do anything else to get it working? What adapters are you using?

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After tweaking the settings and becoming familiar with the settings I am liking this display more and more. 4K content and HDR look very detailed, even standard/1080p content look great.

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1) I have asked about the plastic cover before, and have not gotten an answer. If you remove it, you'll notice there's nothing behind it. In reviewing the Sony literature online, it would appear there are some international models with built-in DVRs. If that's true, then this may be the access panel for the hard drive. I had thought about using the space to mount something, but it appears to be right next to the rear panel assembly, so I decided to leave it alone for both heat and potential damage issues.

2) Sony actually recommends mounting the brick to the back of the bottom right corner of the TV, and includes straps, and rubber bumpers, for doing just that. I didn't like that location and chose to mount it between my wall mount. My wall mount is fixed, so I'm not worried about securing it to the back of the TV. Also, presumably a higher capacity power supply (meaning more heat) is built into the 75X900E, so it appears to be a space issue. The external power supply in the smaller sets is not likely to generate more heat, than being inside the set, so there should be no issues whatsoever -- in fact it's a good thing since the heat will not be adding to that inside the set. I also prefer mounting mine near the top since most of the heat is going to dissipate without getting trapped behind the set as Sony recommends with their mounting instructions.

5) The default settings are pretty good, I tend to use a tuned-to-taste RTINGS.com settings.

4) All built-in apps have a great picture and seem to work extremely well. You Tube does not support HDR yet, but 4K is not a problem. Amazon and Netflix do support 4K/HDR, though I have noticed that the HDR options on the native Amazon app display gray bars on letterboxed movies, instead of black. It's enough that I won't rent 4K movies through Amazon because of it. The good news is that the upscaling ability of this set is so good, that 1080p looks almost as good as 4K.

5) You have to download the Opera Browser. I also downloaded Puffin, which tends to be a little faster, but more complicated to set up your own custom pages.
First off, thanks so much for your reply. You've answered all my questions and provided some very helpful information!

For the plastic cover, I won't even worry about it... maybe I'll store a spare set of keys in there or something haha! When it comes to the power brick, I'll check the instruction for mounting instructions, I did spot some zip ties but I believed they were to fasten cables neatly instead. I did notice that the default setting were decent, but I just had to do some tweaking (based off rtings with some of my own). I own a ks8000 which I love and I am trying to get as close to those settings as possible; I think I may have. Too bad about the YouTube app not being HDR, I know Samsung has had this update for a while, so I do hope that Sony/Google don't drag their feet for too long. I will check that browser out, thank you!

If I could bother with one more question... Would you happen to know if there is a setting for screen size. Almost every TV I've owned has had options for "Wide/Stretch/Full/Fit to Screen" I'm interested in the fit to screen option since I know a lot of time displays tend to zoom on the picture leaving out quite a bit of picture around the borders... just want to make sure this isn't happening here. Also curious how this display handles 4:3 content... does it stretch... are there any options to change this?
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