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Could you comment a little more on the differences between the KS8000 and the x900e? And if you've had any experience with the Vizio P Series I'd welcome that into the comparison as well
Biggest Difference for me is the motion handling. The Sony is smooth while the Samsung had a judder to the picture. If i turned up the amp settings in the sammy it added a lot of noise in the picture, this was across all imput's. Also had issues with some apps freezing.

Picture wise they're both very good. I did like the smart tv features and the remote on the Sammy. I'm still getting used to Android tv on the Sony, i find i have to dig a little more to find things. I have no experience with the Vizio.

So far i have no regrets...i'm loving this TV!
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Rtings posted their review of the X930E - http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e

I posted this in the 930 thread but am posting it here as well:

Hmmm... I have been torn between trying out the X930E and the X900E and have been waiting for rtings review. That said, I'm a little confused...

Under the "Local Dimming" section they finish it with:

When compared to the X900E, a full array backlight TV with local dimming, the X930E local dimming feels more refined and in the end, the results looks much better.

When I read that I was like "OK, the 930 is the one to get" but then I read the "Compared to Other TVs" section, specifically where they compare it to the X900E where they finish it with:

The local dimming of the X930E also performs slightly better than the X900E, but it's difficult to justify paying for the marginal differences. Because of this, most people should get the X900E instead.

As an engineer by trade, I don't equate "much better" to be the same as "marginal" or "slightly better"...
That X930E is an amazing TV. Really quite exceptional for the price. It will have Dolby Vision as well. I couldn’t possibly see buying an X900E over the X930E even though the price difference is not insignificant. The X930E looks like an excellent choice this year since the Samsung’s have failed so miserably.

RTINGS.com does a great job of testing the Displays methodically. However, once his opinion creeps in things start to go south. The X930E has some very clear advantages over the X900E. There is a good reason why it has a significant price increase.
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Ratings .com Brightness test data Sony X930E left and Sony X900E right

Depending on what I can see at Best Buy comparing these this may or may not convince me to get an X930E upgrade from the X850C in here for my brightness jones instead of an X900E but I have to see both sets first and X900E looks pretty good from what I read too but then the X930C also has the X1 xtreme.

The HDR brightness is likewise more on X930E also


rtings .com says the X900E is best for most folks at the price of X900E vs X930C
http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e


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Rtings posted their review of the X930E - http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e


As an engineer by trade, I don't equate "much better" to be the same as "marginal" or "slightly better"...
They didn't say "much better", they said "a bit better".
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They didn't say "much better", they said "a bit better".
Refer to post 415 in the X930E thread where rtings, in response to my post,writes:

Hey there, thanks for pointing out the inconsistency. The rating is correct, but it is true that the wording in the test box is a bit confusing. We compared them side by side in a dark room and the X930E is indeed a little bit better than the X900E in this aspect, but not much. The text has been edited to better reflect this. For most people, the difference is marginal and they should be pleased by the less expensive X900E.

The original review stated "much better".
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I also have a 65Z9D and although today is only the 2nd day looking at the 900E but I'm already calling it "the poor man's Z9D."
Nothing wrong with that.......
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The sides of my TV have like a thin shadow line on both sides barely noticeable but they are still there. Anyone else have darker sides?
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They didn't say "much better", they said "a bit better".
Right having not seen either the Sony X900E or X930E which may replace my 2015 Sony X850C in this room for a primary display the above is my dilemma noting I have a brightness and color pop jones but still want good color volume and bright and sharp detail (as well as can be expected on today's content below 4K HDR and up to same ) and I want a wow upgrade from what I have like we all do with a new TV but Sony A1C OLED and Z9D are more than I want to spend

I will have to see the two TV's at Best Buy but either one may be fine .

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The rtings review IMO just reiterates how good the PQ is on the 900E and I also like its (900E) less busy design. I wonder if the better gray uniformity is indicative of all 900E models.
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X900E vs KS9000 vs SJ8500

Hey folks,
So, I already have the X900E, had the KS8000 (returned because of judder/stutter) and was really interested in the LG 65SJ8500 because of full range format support and Nano Cell use.
Today, I was in a local high end furniture store (huge store, good electronics section) specifically because I called and they said they had an SJ8500 on display.
So, I got to the store and wonder of wonders, they had the X900E, KS9000, SJ8500 all right next to each other in an up/down side/side configuration... think 3 of 4 quadrants in a square.

I found a sales guy who was cool with doing some comparisons and we did some matching... put them all in similar factory modes: Vivid, Cinema, Game, etc. we even messed with custom a little bit. I also took a thumb drive with some random video files on it.
Obviously i didnt do any gaming etc on these sets.

Here is what I found, but there is going to be some personal preference here, can't get away from that. Keep in mind that these are all in 'out of the box' condition and uncalibrated.

- Brightness: KS9000 (brightest) and X900E visually very very close, SJ8500 somewhat less so.
- Natural feeling color: X900E seemed the least 'disonant' to what seemed natural, SJ8500 very close with the KS9000 seeming somewhat pushed.
- Motion: X900E very good, SJ8500 in 2nd and not significantly different, KS9000 not good particularly at 1080i (cable/sat) as noted by many.
- Detail: X900E clearly the best, KS9000 and SJ8500 very close.
Unfortunately I didn't take any pictures.

Basically, I went because I really wanted to love the SJ8500 and get all that format support goodness, but I came away feeling strongly that the X900E was the best all around set.
Maybe it only has HDR, but it was still awesome against the competition.
As to the formats, maybe the X900E wont get abything but HDR/HDR+ and/or HLG... but maybe thats OK with a set this strong.

Parting thought:
I've been working in the tech industry for 20 years.
Some have stated that the 900E cant/wont get Dolby Vision via firmware because its hardware bound. I feel differently because HDR10/HDR+ and DV share some common behaviors/methods, to me that says if you can add the DV instruction set to your HDR hardware and it is beefy enough, its conceivable to add DV via firmware.
Now that may never happen, but it could also be one of the customary Sony teases (PS4 features) that extends the sales life of a particular model. So I wouldnt be shocked to see it added by that method maybe late in the year... tons of reasons it might never happen though. Just my opinion.

Having seen what I have and researched each of these 3 units I am happy to stick with the X900E and would pick it out of this group every time based on their current performance.
Now i just need to get this thing calibrated.
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Got to see the X900E today (Best Buy Sony pad). The 65" X900E is set up on the wall next to the 2016 75X940D. From the brief few minutes I spent watching the 4K demo clips on it, i came away really impressed. Using the HDR Vegas clip, the blacks were excellent with some slightly visible blooming but I honestly could not see a difference in quality of the blacks between it and the 940D. This was under the store lighting of course, but both had about equally inky blacks to my eye. The colors seemed a tad more intense on the 900E (both in vivid). I could tell the 900E was not as glossy and the 940D.

The 65X930E was also out, and it looked amazing. Who knew an edge-lit TV could look so exceptionally good. The level of detail and brightness was almost a dead match for the Z9D. The 930D was great, but the 900 and 930E are definitely both better. 2017 is really looking like Sony's year. Not expecting much from the 850E, but with the 900E, 930E, Z9D, and the forthcoming A1E, I don't think they've ever had a stronger lineup with great offerings at multiple price points.

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Some have stated that the 900E cant/wont get Dolby Vision via firmware because its hardware bound. I feel differently because HDR10/HDR+ and DV share some common behaviors/methods, to me that says if you can add the DV instruction set to your HDR hardware and it is beefy enough, its conceivable to add DV via firmware.
Now that may never happen, but it could also be one of the customary Sony teases (PS4 features) that extends the sales life of a particular model.
I don't think most manufacturers care about extending the sales life of a TV when they release a slew of new ones every year. They want you to upgrade.
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I really wanted to like something in the 2016 models to upgrade my basement W700B but they all had their problems. The 900E and 930E sound like the real deal, and once the prices drop the 900E in particular looks poised to be an awesome value. 2017 might be the year of the upgrade after all.
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I don't think most manufacturers care about extending the sales life of a TV when they release a slew of new ones every year. They want you to upgrade.
You are right about that, the most profitable time of year is release time.............
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I really wanted to like something in the 2016 models to upgrade my basement W700B but they all had their problems. The 900E and 930E sound like the real deal, and once the prices drop the 900E in particular looks poised to be an awesome value. 2017 might be the year of the upgrade after all.

I believe you are correct, if the 900e drops in price it will be a great value considering the picture quality. I enjoyed the tv but returned it, I couldn't justify the price of the tv at that price since an oled can be had for the same amount of money.
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The sides of my TV have like a thin shadow line on both sides barely noticeable but they are still there. Anyone else have darker sides?
I haven't noticed anything like that. Are you seeing this on all video sources?
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Hello all,
After reading this forum and online reviews I went to check the 900e out at my local BB. I was so impressed with the pic that I decided to buy the 49" for my Bed room. Question to current owners does this set have the feature like the Samsung KS8000 that takes a STD 1080p blue ray sig and upgrades the signal to a simulated HDR image?

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Anyone notice X-tended Dynamic Range works differently in game mode? It doesnt brighten the picture like it does in custom. Which is kinda lame cause I feel like game mode is a little dark, especially in Battlefield 1. I got to jack the brightness up to max. Still loving this tv though.
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Anyone notice X-tended Dynamic Range works differently in game mode? It doesnt brighten the picture like it does in custom. Which is kinda lame cause I feel like game mode is a little dark, especially in Battlefield 1. I got to jack the brightness up to max. Still loving this tv though.
How is the input lag to you in BF1?

Anyone else have thoughts on input lag?
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How is the input lag to you in BF1?

Anyone else have thoughts on input lag?
Input lag is fine for me. Im coming from a KS8000 which supposedly has less input lag and I dont notice a difference at all. I tried some call of duty too cause its a faster paced game and I had no problems with it.
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Anyone notice X-tended Dynamic Range works differently in game mode? It doesnt brighten the picture like it does in custom. Which is kinda lame cause I feel like game mode is a little dark, especially in Battlefield 1. I got to jack the brightness up to max. Still loving this tv though.
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Hello all,
After reading this forum and online reviews I went to check the 900e out at my local BB. I was so impressed with the pic that I decided to buy the 49" for my Bed room. Question to current owners does this set have the feature like the Samsung KS8000 that takes a STD 1080p blue ray sig and upgrades the signal to a simulated HDR image?

Regards,
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The 900E has the X1 HDR processor which has a couple of the features that the X1 Extreme has & 1 of them is the HDR remaster.
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Does anyone know from experience if the input lag is playable outside of game mode? Does game mode kill the picture quality or can you calibrate it to the Standard mode settings?
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Any Dirty Screen effect or image retention when panning the camera around in a video game? The Witness is a good test game. Also Forza Horizon 3 is a good test for input lag.
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I have the 900c now, but it has dirty screen effect and some light bleed, so Sony is upgrading me to a new 900E. Will it blow my mind? I'm upset about losing passive 3d, the slim design, no power brick and back panels to cover the cables. I hope it's a good decision.
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I was doing comparisons between the 900E and 930E all day. It seems the 900 has better black levels and less blooming. The 930E is definitely brighter, especially with shadows, dark areas on screen and under bright lights. It also has a fantastic design. It did look washed out at times though compared to the 900E. I guess you can't have it all. Lol
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I was doing comparisons between the 900E and 930E all day. It seems the 900 has better black levels and less blooming. The 930E is definitely brighter, especially with shadows, dark areas on screen and under bright lights. It also has a fantastic design. It did look washed out at times though compared to the 900E. I guess you can't have it all. Lol


Oh but you can! It is called the Z9D.

Sorry l couldn't resist


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Has anyone watched Moana on their 900E?
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