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Most HDR from D* looks spectacular in my opinion.
I had no issues with DTV 4K before, and now with the HDR addition, it's very impressive, especially the programs flagged as HDR in the guide.
The live sports in HDR are the best broadcasts I've seen.
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I found in the store here Disney WoW calibration disk. But this is for 1080P SDR material. Is it useful for my xe900 and can I use the disk for HDR material ?

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I found in the store here Disney WoW calibration disk. But this is for 1080P SDR material. Is it useful for my xe900 and can I use the disk for HDR material ?

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More than likely not. I use the R. Masciola HDR10 Calibration Disk for HDR calibration. I also use the Spears and Munsil vol. 2 calibration disc for HD-SDR content.

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Using both of these in tandem allowed for me to get excellent results, no matter the source. There's no need for manual adjustments when switching between an HDR and Non-HDR source. The settings can be adjusted independently.
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NO it is NOT FAIR to say everyone has this issue. I bought my TV back in March, and there's no side light band of any kind. I dare say my picture is perfect within the realm of the technology. Also, there's over 9,000 posts in this thread, and this side light band issue has only recently been reported by a dozen or so members. It does not seem to be a wide spread problem but rather a sporadic quality control issue, likely affecting only a small number of specific units. What might actually be helpful is people who have this issue posting their serial numbers to get an idea of when these units were built. In your case, it suggests that this is a recurring issue that crops up from time to time.

This is clearly a defect, and one in which you should return to Sony, and make them replace the set until you are completely satisfied. It is surprising it took you 10 months to notice it, though. But the good news is, that if there is a new problem Sony has identified, and it seems they have from other reports, then you should be able to make a case based on it possibly having gotten worse, prompting you to seek answers on this forum.

That said, FALD does eliminate edge lit bleed, and the 900E should not have it at all. Please don't spread FUD over a problem that clearly only affects a minority of customers, as evidenced by the lack of reports over the last 10 months in this thread. As for the 930E, you can have a look at their forum, as it has its own issues. Speaking for myself, I looked closely at several TVs and for the additional $1K at the time, I didn't think the 930E was worth the money. And I still don't. It exhibited noticible edge bleed in every darkened Magnolia Best Buy showroom I saw it in, as compared to the 900E, and the PQ was not substantially better. Hopefully, you both are able to work out your warranty issues to your satisfaction. I realize it's frustrating, but again, it is by no means a problem that affects everyone.
Well maybe you got lucky. Seems like more and more people are noticing. Also shechics photo would explain why. I don't think it's a defect. I think some tvs have it worse than others or it's worse when the rest of the screen heats up and the edges show.

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NO it is NOT FAIR to say everyone has this issue. I bought my TV back in March, and there's no side light band of any kind. I dare say my picture is perfect within the realm of the technology. Also, there's over 9,000 posts in this thread, and this side light band issue has only recently been reported by a dozen or so members. It does not seem to be a wide spread problem but rather a sporadic quality control issue, likely affecting only a small number of specific units. What might actually be helpful is people who have this issue posting their serial numbers to get an idea of when these units were built. In your case, it suggests that this is a recurring issue that crops up from time to time.



This is clearly a defect, and one in which you should return to Sony, and make them replace the set until you are completely satisfied. It is surprising it took you 10 months to notice it, though. But the good news is, that if there is a new problem Sony has identified, and it seems they have from other reports, then you should be able to make a case based on it possibly having gotten worse, prompting you to seek answers on this forum.



That said, FALD does eliminate edge lit bleed, and the 900E should not have it at all. Please don't spread FUD over a problem that clearly only affects a minority of customers, as evidenced by the lack of reports over the last 10 months in this thread. As for the 930E, you can have a look at their forum, as it has its own issues. Speaking for myself, I looked closely at several TVs and for the additional $1K at the time, I didn't think the 930E was worth the money. And I still don't. It exhibited noticible edge bleed in every darkened Magnolia Best Buy showroom I saw it in, as compared to the 900E, and the PQ was not substantially better. Hopefully, you both are able to work out your warranty issues to your satisfaction. I realize it's frustrating, but again, it is by no means a problem that affects everyone.


I think submitting born-on dates is a good idea to help those that have a their B&M or B&M-like warranties intact. I’ll submit mine (FYI purchased mid-November) and that of my buddy’s 55” (FYI purchased mid-Summer), soon. I think you hit it on the head - it’s acting like an edge lit TV though I see framing all the way around, worse on right side.

Problem is, like many of us with our B&M/like warranties out, if Sony complies, we’ll play the panel lottery. I believe up to three stuck pixels is normal. I don’t know the odds but I don’t want one stuck pixel. I caught one on a beautiful X940C 2 years in about 5 minutes. Folks will have to decide.


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If this is supposed to be normal than I need to find a different one. In the meantime I'm gonna send them back to Sony till I get a good one. Way too visible of a defect for me to accept at this price level.
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Requested light bleed/light framing roll call:

Framed light bleed all the way around, more pronounced on sides, most pronounced on right. About and inch or so wide.

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I've given up trying to get my Apple TV 4k to pass full 4k HDR video through my Marantz 6010. Brand new Sony xbr-900e. I can go direct to the TV with any one of the three Certified HDMI cables I have, and it works great.. Even the Cable Checker passes. But then, no audio ARC back into the Marantz. Even tried an Optical Audio out of the TV, but no 5.1 (only surround). I'm certainly open to suggestions.. Ive tried all the different troublshooting from Marantz's website as well as Sony. All Firmware updated via USB, etc. Contemplating just getting a Sony STR-ZA1100ES receiver and putting the Marantz somewhere else



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Have you tried the Marantz thread for your 6010? Jd smoothie should be able to help you if it’s a problem that can be fixed. He usually responds fairly quickly. I have a 7010 with my 65” 900e, and I watch 4k hdr content via my One S all the time with no problems. I think something is wrong with your settings in the 6010.


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Thanks. Yeah. It was weird. The Marantz was set up right. There was a setting in the 900e that had to be changed.

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Bad picture but shows what I am seeing...really notice it during a panning shot that's dark...there are some times it is not visible at all...mainly with muted colors tans/greens...
You can check my previous posts and have reported the same issue(with screenshots). Some have said it's "normal". I've exchanged this twice and on my third set. They all had it...some worse than others.
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This is what backlight bleed looks like. Do you see how the light is brightest at the edge and then creates a gradient as it extends toward the middle? That's not what people are seeing. If you're seeing it only or mostly from an off angle view, it's exaggerated just as image quality degrades. I do think that everyone has different eyes/brains and experience this differently, just like with other phenomena usual for the tech. I wouldn't call the "band" a flaw like we do when there is flash lighting, clouding and true bleed. If the frame on this tv weren't so thin would anyone see it at all? Is it possible for arrays to be flush with the edge? I'm just not sure they can be and not have some other effect that might be even worse. This tv is a mid range model and so I find this little ghost of light that is really barely noticeable and then only under certain circumstances to be acceptable. For the record, there is always light in the room I use it in. Also, I expect to spend far more money on the tv for my den where we view movies in a dark environment. My expectations for that tv mean 65" or more (hopefully) and OLED, but OLED is not yet ready for me. I have no problem dealing with IR in that room, but I must be certain that I can get rid of it.
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Maybe I'm lucky but I have zero light bleed on my 75" or 49" 900E. Now, I'm not in a totally dark room for either TV. I think to really compare issues and sets you would need to match settings and, if possible, source content as well.

Side question - anybody getting Dolby Atmos lossy soundtracks with Netflix via their Xbox One? How does it sound?
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Well maybe you got lucky. Seems like more and more people are noticing. Also shechics photo would explain why. I don't think it's a defect. I think some tvs have it worse than others or it's worse when the rest of the screen heats up and the edges show.

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It's probably a very small % that have issues like this and of course, it's going to seem like more in forum postings.
Every TV has a defect rate, yes even Sony's and top of the line OLED's too.
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This is what backlight bleed looks like. Do you see how the light is brightest at the edge and then creates a gradient as it extends toward the middle? That's not what people are seeing. If you're seeing it only or mostly from an off angle view, it's exaggerated just as image quality degrades. I do think that everyone has different eyes/brains and experience this differently, just like with other phenomena usual for the tech. I wouldn't call the "band" a flaw like we do when there is flash lighting, clouding and true bleed. If the frame on this tv weren't so thin would anyone see it at all? Is it possible for arrays to be flush with the edge? I'm just not sure they can be and not have some other effect that might be even worse. This tv is a mid range model and so I find this little ghost of light that is really barely noticeable and then only under certain circumstances to be acceptable. For the record, there is always light in the room I use it in. Also, I expect to spend far more money on the tv for my den where we view movies in a dark environment. My expectations for that tv mean 65" or more (hopefully) and OLED, but OLED is not yet ready for me. I have no problem dealing with IR in that room, but I must be certain that I can get rid of it.
Is this your TV? and what size is that? My wife's 55 inch looks damn good, just some haloing and stuff in some minor situations, but no bleed like what you are showing.

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I have the same problem my AVR doesn’t support all these new jazzy features........ARGHHHHHH! Something I didn’t think about when I decided to get this XBR-65X900E. So I started looking at what was available used that Sony recommended. Found a used STR-DN1060 on EBay for a little over $200 so I just bought it. Hopefully it cures all the HDMI switching issues going from Antenna to Amazon Fire TV and Apple TV. I attached a screen shot of the Sony recommended receivers from the OS. You don’t have to go with Sony but get a receiver that has the same features as the ones they recommend and you should be good to go I believe.
What exactly are these "audio systems? Im new to the Home Theater world, but just bought the 900e and am now shopping AVR's? Want to obviously take advantage of all features my TV has.

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What exactly are these "audio systems? Im new to the Home Theater world, but just bought the 900e and am now shopping AVR's? Want to obviously take advantage of all features my TV has.

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Unfortunately there isn’t enough time in the year to get you up to speed on all of the features and nuances of AVR Receivers. But I would recommend you go to the https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...ps-processors/ forum and start reading all the posts you can to bone up on the technologies available and what you need to make use of those technologies.
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Since the Sony does not have Dolby Vision then you can pick almost anything, I love the Shield and it is Android TV so the interface mimics what you are used to on the Sony and is super fast. Roku is OK, but I have found them to be very buggy last 2 years.
Being that I am seeing well over 100Mbps with UHD disks from my X800 player, is it true that the Shield only has a 100Mbps NIC?
This sounds like a possible problem unless compression is used.
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Thanks. Yeah. It was weird. The Marantz was set up right. There was a setting in the 900e that had to be changed.


Ok. Gotcha. Which setting in the 900e had to be changed?


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Being that I am seeing well over 100Mbps with UHD disks from my X800 player, is it true that the Shield only has a 100Mbps NIC?

This sounds like a possible problem unless compression is used.

I’ll preface by saying streaming can look quite good, Vudu in particular. However, most streaming sites are currently capped at about 15 to 20 Mbps. UHD BD tops out at 150 Mbps which I believe can include a several Mbps lossless audio track. I can’t see topping out what your Shield can do for years.


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Re: HDR settings on Apple TV 4K on x900e [ Edited ]
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I was on the same boat as you (new apple TV 4k and x900e TV) and the apple TV would not detect the x900e as HDR capable. Long story short I just fixed the issue, and yeah, it's basically a setting on the Sony TV. Do the following:

1. Hit the "Home" button on the Sony TV remote. You'll see a bunch of icons popup
2. Arrow down to the bottom to Settings (it looks like a gear icon on the x900e)
3. Once in settings, go into External Inputs
4. Scroll down and go into HDMI signal Format (Enhance 4K HDMI signal Format)
5. Once there you'll see the magic setting we need, which is the Enhanced Format (Displays High-Quality HDMI signals on HDMI inputs 2 & 3...), so select it and navigate back out using the back button

I then went in and switched my apple TV to HDMI input 2, unplugged its power and replugged it back in. When the Apple TV booted back up, I went into the display settings and it showed as being HRD now...wooohoooo!!!! So yeah, it apparently only works for inputs 2 & 3 so be weary of that.

Hope it works for you and the other sony TV heads...so annoying that this isn't more obvious and hidden in ****** menus.


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I’ll preface by saying streaming can look quite good, Vudu in particular. However, most streaming sites are currently capped at about 15 to 20 Mbps. UHD BD tops out at 150 Mbps which I believe can include a several Mbps lossless audio track. I can’t see topping out what your Shield can do for years.


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Yes, there will be limits coming from the cloud but for internal LAN use, why would they even think about a NIC under 1Gb?
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I know the Roku uses 100mbs NIC, but I thought the Shield had a 1gb NIC.

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Yes, there will be limits coming from the cloud but for internal LAN use, why would they even think about a NIC under 1Gb?


I see what you mean. Yeah, it’s more common than I would like. I bet the cost on chipset is minimal. For 10 bucks more. offer folks the option, right? Maybe next Rev...


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Is this your TV? and what size is that? My wife's 55 inch looks damn good, just some haloing and stuff in some minor situations, but no bleed like what you are showing.
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Re: HDR settings on Apple TV 4K on x900e [ Edited ]

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I was on the same boat as you (new apple TV 4k and x900e TV) and the apple TV would not detect the x900e as HDR capable. Long story short I just fixed the issue, and yeah, it's basically a setting on the Sony TV. Do the following:



1. Hit the "Home" button on the Sony TV remote. You'll see a bunch of icons popup

2. Arrow down to the bottom to Settings (it looks like a gear icon on the x900e)

3. Once in settings, go into External Inputs

4. Scroll down and go into HDMI signal Format (Enhance 4K HDMI signal Format)

5. Once there you'll see the magic setting we need, which is the Enhanced Format (Displays High-Quality HDMI signals on HDMI inputs 2 & 3...), so select it and navigate back out using the back button



I then went in and switched my apple TV to HDMI input 2, unplugged its power and replugged it back in. When the Apple TV booted back up, I went into the display settings and it showed as being HRD now...wooohoooo!!!! So yeah, it apparently only works for inputs 2 & 3 so be weary of that.



Hope it works for you and the other sony TV heads...so annoying that this isn't more obvious and hidden in ****** menus.





dg


Oh yeah, that’s one of the first things you have to do with this tv. Seems like it would’ve been set to enhanced as the default setting. Glad you got it working so you avoided buying a Sony AVR which would’ve been considered a drop in audio quality by most I would think.


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I gotta say some of the complaints on here are completely insane. I've had the 900E for a month now and can't be more impressed. The picture quality is unreal at this price point, the black level is just awesome. "Fantastic beasts and where to find them" on HBO/DirecTV looked just unbelievable today. Watched it twice it looked so good. John Wick 2, holy cow! That is a very dark movie throughout and the 900E handled it perfectly. I mean do guys really expect to have brightness/backlight at MAX and it not effect black levels and cause blooming? TV's in general should not be on max all the time. It will kill the panel prematurely. Does it have blooming, very minimal with my settings. Does it have "clouding", very minimal with my settings. I'm watching an old a$$ movie, "The great outdoors" with John Candy from 1988 and it looks amazing. Very clear and beautiful picture. Very, very little noise from an older movie. I'm not a fanboy or a Sony nut, Sony is a big boy they can defend themselves. I'm just seeing nothing but complaining and man it gets annoying.
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I gotta say some of the complaints on here are completely insane. I've had the 900E for a month now and can't be more impressed. The picture quality is unreal at this price point, the black level is just awesome. "Fantastic beasts and where to find them" on HBO/DirecTV looked just unbelievable today. Watched it twice it looked so good. John Wick 2, holy cow! That is a very dark movie throughout and the 900E handled it perfectly. I mean do guys really expect to have brightness/backlight at MAX and it not effect black levels and cause blooming? TV's in general should not be on max all the time. It will kill the panel prematurely. Does it have blooming, very minimal with my settings. Does it have "clouding", very minimal with my settings. I'm watching an old a$$ movie, "The great outdoors" with John Candy from 1988 and it looks amazing. Very clear and beautiful picture. Very, very little noise from an older movie. I'm not a fanboy or a Sony nut, Sony is a big boy they can defend themselves. I'm just seeing nothing but complaining and man it gets annoying.
Well this is a forum lol and alot of us have had the same issues.

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My 900e has also been perfect. For the price I can't complain and I actually bought it when it first came out for full price.
No regrets.
I will say that if you feed it a crappy source, you may have a less than optimal experience but everything I've thrown at mine it looks crazy good.
Directv now, perfect.
YouTube (and hdr thru x800) perfect
Netflix perfect
Amazon Prime perfect
Blu ray and 4k hdr thru x800, flawless!
Gaming thru Xbox one s, amazing! Hdr and all on battlefield and star wars
Maybe I'm lucky?
Idk.
I say just enjoy your tv

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