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hey all
this amazon app splash screen is bothering me (see pic).
theres a couple big dark blotches. right side center and lower left corner. is this the same on everyones?
my pic isnt the clearest, but the splash screen background is kinda blurryish in general too. weird.
i dont see any issues in these areas wen looking at content as far as i can tell, so im guessing its just the way the splashscreen is?
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Sony 2018 x900F

Wondering if I should return mine for one of Sony's upcoming 2018 models? I have a feeling Sony isn't going to add any new software features this year, like HDR10+/HFR.

Something tell me this will be forgotten like all legacy models.
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hey all
this amazon app splash screen is bothering me (see pic).
theres a couple big dark blotches. right side center and lower left corner. is this the same on everyones?
my pic isnt the clearest, but the splash screen background is kinda blurryish in general too. weird.
i dont see any issues in these areas wen looking at content as far as i can tell, so im guessing its just the way the splashscreen is?
Yup that's how it is. Kind of unnerving when worried about issues.

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I have no idea. I'm gonna ask him some more questions though. I'd like to know if the OLED he owned was a2017 or 2016 set, because i believe the peak brightness of the 2017 is significantly better than the 2016 OLED televisions. Since my buddy has only seen my 2016 OLED....he may be satisfied with a 900e after all.
So I own a 55X900E and LG 65C7. They are not side by side, but I would gather the X900E is brighter and capable of going brighter. The OLED is in a darker room with no real ambient light, the Sony in a room with ambient light and the Sony looks brighter. That said I prefer the OLED because of the pure blacks and honestly after years of plasma the OLED is plenty bright and noticeablely more than my plasmas. If you are in a very bright room the Sony may be the better option, but I have a friend with the OLED in a room with plenty of ambient light and he is wows by it coming from years of plasmas as well.

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Hey guys

I've been following the posts for the last few months about "edge bleed" and would like to get your opinions on whether or not my unit would be considered normal. I have the light band around all the edges of the display but it's most noticeable on the right side. I'm running cinema pro settings. The light area is noticeable when I pull open display settings and in certain dimly lit scenes..

Got a return day set with best buy but now I'm on the fence and am thinking of just accepting it ... Any input would be appreciated! Thanks
my tv is the exact same as yours
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Thanks for the replies.

I'll try to get some photos in different SDR and 4k scenes later today. The light banding varies..in some dimly lit scenes you can see it but in bright scenes it washes out. Figured I'd show what the menus look like as a reference point for comparisons.

Currently have the TV in the living room with a bit of light from the window. Brightness set to max, local dimming on medium.



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is the issue still there after you tried different settings?
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I know this is a 900e thread and mine arrives tomorrow but i wanted to illustrate how a little bias lighting can dramatically improve the perceived blooming in a dark room. The shots below are from my 930d which is edge lit (inferior local dimming) and brighter (1300 nits compared to 900 or 1000 depending on who is right...) This is from Stranger Things Season 2 Episode 1 from Netflix with HDR on. I'll report my findings with the 900e tomorrow after it's all setup but I am thinking this should help a LOT. The settings on the shots are exactly the same, nothing changed, nothing manipulated to force a specific result (QA...) I literally took a picture without the lighting, rewind and turn on lighting, took another picture.
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We’re the dark room and light room settings custom or cinema pro?
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We’re the dark room and light room settings custom or cinema pro?


You know they're just Sony presets right ?

Once calibration was done I just used those 'slots' ..... as that's all they are, for the new calibrated light and dark room settings. Therefore I don't have the default home and pro settings now. I have the avsforum settings in the custom slot.


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Is anyone here using DCI colorspace over sRGB for all non-HDR content? I am liking it a lot more than sRGB and wanted some thoughts. Also experimented with BRIGHT on Netflix. While watching in HDR mode, try forcing DCI and it will make the movie a lot less dark. Had to raise the color a little bit though. I think this movie should have been DCI instead of BT2020. Also, I find it hard to believe that EXPERT1 color temp is so popular. It looks like green tinted garbage to me. Seems like you have to do way more work trying to get a good pic with that tint. I'm running neutral with -3 R and -2 G, color 50, live color low, xtend low. DCI disables live color so i bumped up to 56. looks good.
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100% agree that HDR and Expert1 doesn't mesh, way too dark. Still fooling around with color space, but DCI seems like a solid option.
Expert 1 looks really good to me for HDR gaming. I haven't watched enough movies yet to make a judgement on HDR discs but I use neutral for my cable box.
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Please take my totally inexperienced answer with a grain of salt, but I'm 9ft away from my 55', yes, 55' and for gaming and tv, it feels like I'm a bit too close still. I know reports would say otherwise, but I'd get the 65'

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I know this is a 900e thread and mine arrives tomorrow but i wanted to illustrate how a little bias lighting can dramatically improve the perceived blooming in a dark room. The shots below are from my 930d which is edge lit (inferior local dimming) and brighter (1300 nits compared to 900 or 1000 depending on who is right...) This is from Stranger Things Season 2 Episode 1 from Netflix with HDR on. I'll report my findings with the 900e tomorrow after it's all setup but I am thinking this should help a LOT. The settings on the shots are exactly the same, nothing changed, nothing manipulated to force a specific result (QA...) I literally took a picture without the lighting, rewind and turn on lighting, took another picture.
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Here is the spreadsheet with a bunch of different settings; https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Seems light sensor off is the way to go. Wasn’t sure what others did but I love having it off as it significantly brightens the screen
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On a black screen when white letters/images appears and there is a white glow surround it, what is that referred to and is there a way to reduce?
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Thank, thats 4 input and 1 output, correct?
I would search Amazon before you drop 70 bones at best buy for a simple HDMI switch...you can get them for less than half that easily

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On a black screen when white letters/images appears and there is a white glow surround it, what is that referred to and is there a way to reduce?
It's called blooming. The only way to reduce it would be to turn down the brightness or bump up to a set with more dimming zones. Turning down the brightness will only help, it can't eliminate it because the zones behind the portion of the screen where the letters are has to light up.

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Hello. Has anyone experienced the issue of stutter / judder - particularly on shot changes while watching 720p/1080i content from a set top box? There is a thread on AVforums titled "Sony XE90 frame repeats/drops on 50/59.94 native content" if any one is interested, but here is the gist of it(exact same issue as I am experiencing):

My XE9005 is dropping pairs of 720p50 frames (often on cuts) - which you don't really notice - but then repeating pairs of frames - as pairs - just after cuts/shoot changes (which you definitely DO see - as the motion jumps backwards and forwards) It's content related as the timecode that these jumps and drops happen is very consistent (and many - but not all - happen at the same point whether the source is 1080i25, 720p50, 1080p50 or 2160p50). If it can't hide the drops or repeats on a shot change, it does them mid shot, and I also think it is showing some 50p frames for only 1/100th second, not 1/50th to also try and reysnc itself. It never drifts more than about 2 frames out - but the constant stutters make it unwatchable.

Example frame sequence (with a cut before Frame 1) :

1 , 2 , 3 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6...... N , N+3

So frames 2 and 3 are repeated as a pair and shown twice in sequence - so you see a jump back when frame 2 is shown again after frame 3, and then frames N+1 and N+2 are dropped to counteract the repetition and avoid the set having to buffer a gazillion frames and slowly drift out of sync - or vice versa)


Anyone see this and have a fix? Thank you.
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My experience is just like yours. Respected sites like rtings.com claim the TV is judder free with Motionflow set to True Cinema and CineMotion set to High, but using my two main content sources (1080p Netflix streams and 480p DVDs played on a Bluray player) the judder I see is like the one in your example (very obvious during camera pans) and in NO case have those two settings had the slightest visible effect to my eyes. Perhaps it's because my two sources are not meant to be effected by the True Cinema setting. I don't know.

...OR, the type of judder that is effected by that setting is just too subtle for me to notice,

...OR, people mean different things things when using the term judder. When I use the term, I'm not referring to blurring; I mean the jerky, un-steady, un-smooth, usually vertical edges of people or objects, when the camera does left/right pans. The only thing that usually (but not always) helps is setting Motionflow to Custom: 2 or 3 value.
I really like my 900e and have not had any real problems out of it in the 6 weeks I have owned it but the motion and judder capabilities of this set is not that great in my opinion. I agree that it is a source thing and the two main things I watch is cable tv through a set top box and blurays going through my Ps3 or my Samsung 4k player. As far as cable goes the studder, judder problem ranges from nothing on some programs to just awful on others. The biggest problems I have with judder is law and order but only on certain channels (because L&O is on like 5 cable channels every evening) as well as certain other shows on on a few stations. On football I will get stutter when the camera goes from full field view to a closeup. I have my motion settings on standard with cinemotion on low but it doesn't matter because the same happens all motion setting turned to off. As far as Blurays go I really like the SOE but it is a no go for my Sony. Lots of stutter and judder as well as motion artifacts especially around somebodys head as they are walking on certain scenes. For bluray I now leave motion on standard and cinemotion on high. The funny thing is that my 6 year old Samsung has none of these problems with its various motion settings. The motion handling is one of the main reasons I chose the 900e from reviews I had read but the are not that great IMO. Love the picture though and it is not enough reason to return the tv but still disappointing.
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Hello. Has anyone experienced the issue of stutter / judder - particularly on shot changes while watching 720p/1080i content from a set top box? There is a thread on AVforums titled "Sony XE90 frame repeats/drops on 50/59.94 native content" if any one is interested, but here is the gist of it(exact same issue as I am experiencing):

My XE9005 is dropping pairs of 720p50 frames (often on cuts) - which you don't really notice - but then repeating pairs of frames - as pairs - just after cuts/shoot changes (which you definitely DO see - as the motion jumps backwards and forwards) It's content related as the timecode that these jumps and drops happen is very consistent (and many - but not all - happen at the same point whether the source is 1080i25, 720p50, 1080p50 or 2160p50). If it can't hide the drops or repeats on a shot change, it does them mid shot, and I also think it is showing some 50p frames for only 1/100th second, not 1/50th to also try and reysnc itself. It never drifts more than about 2 frames out - but the constant stutters make it unwatchable.

Example frame sequence (with a cut before Frame 1) :

1 , 2 , 3 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6...... N , N+3

So frames 2 and 3 are repeated as a pair and shown twice in sequence - so you see a jump back when frame 2 is shown again after frame 3, and then frames N+1 and N+2 are dropped to counteract the repetition and avoid the set having to buffer a gazillion frames and slowly drift out of sync - or vice versa)


Anyone see this and have a fix? Thank you.
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is the issue still there after you tried different settings?

I think I'm going to proceed with returning the set. Messing around with settings only masks the underlying problem. Cinema pro definitely makes it less obvious though.

Took some shots of American Gods in 4k, and an amazon video grey screen (Tons of reflection showing but still visible). As others have pointed out, how prominent the light band is varies from unit to unit but I'd say mine is on the bad side.

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Hi,thankyou for the settings,can anyone help,I?ve got a Sony 55 ? xe900,I have done the settings but my blacks are washed out on standard and had programs,can anyone suggest anything,thanks in advance
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It's probably a good idea if me and my buddy go to the store soon and compare the 900e and 930e, even if the 75 inch likely won't be there. What is a good way to quickly compare the SDR and (HDR if they let us watch some HDR material) brightness? What settings and in what picture mode do we enable to get the max brightness, so that he can see if he would be ok with the brighrtnes of the 900e?
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Have you got random quick flashs light on all the surface of your screen ?
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It's probably a good idea if me and my buddy go to the store soon and compare the 900e and 930e, even if the 75 inch likely won't be there. What is a good way to quickly compare the SDR and (HDR if they let us watch some HDR material) brightness? What settings and in what picture mode do we enable to get the max brightness, so that he can see if he would be ok with the brighrtnes of the 900e?
I find standard to be plenty bright.
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Stutter, judder, blooming, bleeding. Seems like the last week or so, this thread has been taken over by these topics. I own two Sony 900E's and can only speak to occasional judder that is mostly attributable to the source. Otherwise, I've got zero of the other. And to beat a dead horse again, I believe a lot of what folks are seeing are due to their settings or source material.

Anybody enjoying their Sony 900E these days?

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Hehe...
Well, coming from Plasma I sure don't seem to notice any big issues with motion or even off axis viewing which I was expecting.
I will have to check that scene in question to see if I notice anything.
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Stutter, judder, blooming, bleeding. Seems like the last week or so, this thread has been taken over by these topics. I own two Sony 900E's and can only speak to occasional judder that is mostly attributable to the source. Otherwise, I've got zero of the other. And to beat a dead horse again, I believe a lot of what folks are seeing are due to their settings or source material.

Anybody enjoying their Sony 900E these days?
As far as blooming and bleeding, you really have to try to make this TV do those things.
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I have it but it's barely visible. It's more noticeable with certain images and the more off center, the more noticeable. It is not as bad as light bleed I've had on my last LCD. It Since the edges are crisp instead of fading out, I wonder if it doesn't have something to do with the way they assembled the layers or attached the frame.

If this were light bleed then Rtings would have said something about it. This is their picture from the Temperature section of their review- notice the edges?

Edit: The TCL P and Vizio P show the same thing too in Rtings temp photos.
I really fell behind on this thread over the holidays and have finally caught up. I found this post (No. 9796 on Page 327) by sheshechic to be interesting, especially for those considering the X930E. Reason I say that is it made me go to rtings and look at the temperature pics. Below are the temperature pics of the X900E (on the left and the same as posted by sheshechic) and the X930E (on the right). Notice anything similar between the two?!?
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