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I can see it on any screen color except black. Well guess I'm taking it back then.
From bestbuys terms regarding returns:

?Based on return/exchange patterns, some customers will be warned that subsequent returns and exchanges will not be eligible for returns or exchanges for 90 days.?

Sounds like you are about ready to be put in that category with 4 returns. I'd be very careful given it's not really an issue.
I didn't get it from best buy, got it from the military store px.
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Under anything considered normal viewing conditions it isn't visible.
There's your answer staring you right in the face. Stop pixel watching inches away from the panel. If you did that inspecting every new car paint job you'd never get off of the lot with your new car.



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is it too much to ask for a perfect panel considering the cost?
Yes it is regardless of the cost. There are manufacturing defects in any and all goods regardless of cost. Orange peel on a $120,000 brand new Z06, check.

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If not, what is tolerable?
What's not visible white watching normal content. Stop playing kabuki theater with your T.V.

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Yes, because I would have never seen it in the first place. You are your own worst enemy when doing stuff like this. General inspection is fine but pixel watching and up close inspections against backgrounds you'll never see under normal viewing conditions is just dumb in my opinion . I'm sorry but that's the truth. Stuck pixels grouped in a cluster visible under normal content is a different story.
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or am I being overly OCD?
That's an oxymoron and yes you're being overly OCD but if you haven't actually been clinically diagnosed with OCD and if 99% of owners wouldn't even notice what you're now seeing you're just being obsessive about something not worth the efforts involved. Say the serenity prayer, back away from the panel and sit in a nice comfy recliner preferably several feet away from the screen and just watch some of your favorite movies😉.

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Good luck to you folks, but these are some of the times I am thankful for my not so perfect eyesight...!

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Yep, me as well. Astigmatism is your friend. Who knew?
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If it takes you more than a few seconds to find the spot, and your only able to find it on a perfectly white screen and that is the only issue you have? Then yes you can answer your question of being overly OCD as a yes.
Good luck to you folks, but these are some of the times I am thankful for my not so perfect eyesight...!

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Lucky, every tv I ordered off the net had a screen issue. So tired of getting bad batches of tvs and assembling and disassembling them. Hopefully I can get a replacement and it'll be perfect so I can chill enjoy it.
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Thanks guys appreciate the feedback. I'll likely just keep it. I wish I was more ignorant, as they say - ignorance is bliss. Knowing/ researching things is a powerful thing but can also sap you from the enjoyment you should get with a new purchase. It's a tough line to walk. It's easier to accept knowing I've been through 3 and out of the 3 this is the least 'imperfect' one but any other person could have picked one of the prior two up and kept it had they not been specifically looking for defects like I have.
I have looked at probably 20 or more screens, every one of them had some problem, some were horrible and obvious in normal use etc. others had problems which you can only see when looking for them.

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I have the brightness turned down a fair amount on both sets, so I wouldn't be terribly concerned about that. The out of the box settings are a bit too bright for me on BOTH.

My 940D is on the wall. Went up without any issues - just needed a second set of hands to help me put it on the bracket.
Thanks again for the feedback. I suspected that both would be plenty bright for 99% of content. Hopefully both will be a good choice.
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Bad news for me, I returned it personally but they don't have none. So either I order one again or hold off and use my 32" toshiba for a little bit longer. So crying in my soul right now.
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Truthfully, AVS members are pickier than 95% of the general public. These issues are a fraction of the TV buying population. Most people take it home, leave it in torch mode and say how amazing it is. We are different. I fall into the same category as what's been discussed the past day on here. A few years ago, I went through 9 TVs over a summer. My wife pretty much had it with me. Plasma. LCD. Projector. It was always something that wasn't perfect. I settled on a Samsung 7 series and have been happy with it for several years. I wanted a 4K HDR set, and picked up another Samsung. KS8500. What a POS. Literally had the worst flash lighting and edge bleed of any TV I've ever seen. Swapped it for a 900E and it was night and day difference. Full disclosure, I did swap my 900E one time. I had some edge bleed on the bottom with HDR content when the backlight maxed out. Everything else was perfect. But for $2300, I wanted it to not be distracting. And again, it was noticeable with content. Every TV will have issues with local dimming disengaged or test patterns. There isn't a single model that's perfect. It just doesn't exist. I agree with the idea that under normal conditions, if it looks good and you cant see it, that's what matters. If it has a visible defect when playing content, then you should exchange it. I'm not a Sony fanboy, in fact, this is my first Sony in 10+ years. But I've been through A LOT of TVs the past few years with my OCD about uniformity and I honestly believe this is one of the best models on the market right now. There really is a lot of performance and features for the money and build quality is well above a lot that's out there. I feel bad for those that have had issues on here. Everyone deserves to get what they want for their hard earned dollar. Still, I wouldn't consider another model this year in this price bracket.
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Thanks guys appreciate the feedback. I'll likely just keep it. I wish I was more ignorant, as they say - ignorance is bliss. Knowing/ researching things is a powerful thing but can also sap you from the enjoyment you should get with a new purchase. It's a tough line to walk. It's easier to accept knowing I've been through 3 and out of the 3 this is the least 'imperfect' one but any other person could have picked one of the prior two up and kept it had they not been specifically looking for defects like I have.
Kinda dramatic over ONE slightly darker pixel on a 4k screen. You'd have a heart attack if you had my screen with FOUR slightly darker corners! lol
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New review of the 65X900E that came out on Forbes last night:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#6e8714fe13e6

This one also is also out at Reference Home Theater:
http://referencehometheater.com/revi...00e-tv-review/

I also messaged the guys at Rtings.com and asked when they hoped to have the review of the 75X940E ready, and they said next week if everything goes well...

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Kinda dramatic over ONE slightly darker pixel on a 4k screen. You'd have a heart attack if you had my screen with FOUR slightly darker corners! lol
I think all Sony LCD TV's from the last 2-3 years have darker corners.
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I think all Sony LCD TV's from the last 2-3 years have darker corners.
Mine has 2 slightly dark corners, upper left and right. It seems related to viewing angles and distance from seating to screen. If my eyes are level with the corners then the darkness is very subtle. But from normal viewing location where my eyes are about 1/3rd the height from bottom of the screen, it is more pronounced.

But everything disappears once i hace content playing... most content has darker corners anyway to place more emphasis on the subject which is usually at the middle of the screen so it works out.

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Truthfully, AVS members are pickier than 95% of the general public. These issues are a fraction of the TV buying population.
I think 95% is a little low.....I will note there is nothing wrong with wanting something better, makes us build better products.....
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Mine has 2 slightly dark corners, upper left and right. It seems related to viewing angles and distance from seating to screen. If my eyes are level with the corners then the darkness is very subtle. But from normal viewing location where my eyes are about 1/3rd the height from bottom of the screen, it is more pronounced.

But everything disappears once i hace content playing... most content has darker corners anyway to place more emphasis on the subject which is usually at the middle of the screen so it works out.

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I read somwhere that the way sony make LCD means they have darker corners, something how they arrange the LED's etc. but it is a minor problem and better than backlight clouding in the corners. This XE90 has 4 darker corners, but it is so minor and not even noticeable unless on a white screen, even on a white screen you have to be looking at the corners.
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I read somwhere that the way sony make LCD means they have darker corners, something how they arrange the LED's etc. but it is a minor problem and better than backlight clouding in the corners. This XE90 has 4 darker corners, but it is so minor and not even noticeable unless on a white screen, even on a white screen you have to be looking at the corners.
Yup exactly my experience as well. In real world, i see it when launching the Youtube app when the full mono color RED screen comes up for a sec or two. Once it is inside playing content, not at all.

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I was just about to post the same thing. After a week of using, I noticed the same thing while watching a show through my Roku. It would randomly shift from cool to warm colors for no reason. Both times I reset the color profile back to default and that seemed to fix it temporarily. But it would come back. If it keeps happening I am wondering if there is a processing issue with the TV. Interested for to hear others' thoughts.
Sid I'm wondering if you ever got a response/explanation of this. I notice when playing PS4 Pro that sometimes the colors are very saturated. The "fix" seems to be just to go into the picture settings screen. Just entering into the sub menu seems to fix the problem once the menu overlays the main image. Any others experience similar issues?
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65X930E vs 65X900E - Replacing XBR55HX950

Without considering cost, which TV is generally considered better?

The 65X900E has slightly darker corners. Is this also the case on the 65X930E or is only the 900E affected because of the layout of the LEDs in the backlight?

The 65X900E is backlit but with fewer zones (?) than the 65X930E. Is illumination of black bars when watching movies more evident on the 65X900E or 65X930E?

I'm upgrading from a defective XBR55HX950 (widespread horizontal line issue) and while there was some haloing in the black bars when subtitles were enabled, I didn't notice it with them off. To the best of my knowledge none of the aforementioned TVs have as many dimming zones as the HX950, so which would be the most suitable replacement? I wish Sony would repair the HX950, but no such luck. Have to pick one of these replacements.

I've seen both 2017 TVs in person and still can't decide which would be best. I was very happy with the uniformity, brightness, and black performance of the HX950. Which of these TVs would you guys recommend? If any of you have seen all three sets, your input would be especially appreciated.

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My TV updated the Android OS last night, anybody else get the update?

The home page looks the same but the menu layout changed and YouTube now has HDR.
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My TV updated the Android OS last night, anybody else get the update?

The home page looks the same but the menu layout changed and YouTube now has HDR.
I was alerted to the update last night and opted for the choice of installing when in Standby. Got up this morning and the update hadn't installed. So, I went ahead and let it install "live".

I haven't looked to see what's different, but the TV seemed -very slow- to respond to things after the update. I'm hoping it's just a case of things initializing.
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4K Resolution too wide

Hi, I got the 55x900e yesterday. I've hooked it up to my gtx1080 with a high speed cable. The issue is that if I set the resolution to full 4K in the nvidia control panel it cuts off the sides of the picture. HDR works and all is well except the two sides cut off. I can change the overscan sizing in the control panel but it changes the resolution and I lose HDR. Any ideas?
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Hi, I got the 55x900e yesterday. I've hooked it up to my gtx1080 with a high speed cable. The issue is that if I set the resolution to full 4K in the nvidia control panel it cuts off the sides of the picture. HDR works and all is well except the two sides cut off. I can change the overscan sizing in the control panel but it changes the resolution and I lose HDR. Any ideas?
Is the graphics card perhaps outputting a 4096 x 2160 resolution, instead of a 3840 x 2160 resolution?
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Would some one be so kind as to test something on the 55x900e? When using the Netflix app, when I press Display, the upper left section of the screen lightens significantly. I see a white rectangle and a faint white line at the height of the time display, just above where it shows the video Mbps/ resolution that goes halfway accross the screen. Is this normal and seen on other owners x900e? I tested both the internal Netflix app and using a PS4 with the same results not present on other tv's I own.

I also experience this when I pause or use the directional pad on the controller to bring up the options while playing a video. Again I see a faint white rectangle in the upper left quarter of the screen and the bottom half of my screen darkens slightly.

Any input from owners is appreciated!
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@vipergts2207 If that were the case wouldn't it have black bars on top and bottom, rather than left and right?
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Sid I'm wondering if you ever got a response/explanation of this. I notice when playing PS4 Pro that sometimes the colors are very saturated. The "fix" seems to be just to go into the picture settings screen. Just entering into the sub menu seems to fix the problem once the menu overlays the main image. Any others experience similar issues?


I posted on the Sony forum but the stock response did not help. At least one other person reports the same thing. I have found,like you, that merely entering the picture settings menu corrects it. But that's a hassle and not a permanent fix. I opted to exchange for a new panel and am hoping I just had a bad one. Will get my new one on Monday from Abt.


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There's your answer staring you right in the face. Stop pixel watching inches away from the panel. If you did that inspecting every new car paint job you'd never get off of the lot with your new car.
I use the exact analogy with the paint job on cars. Does not matter how much you pay for a car, you are not getting a showroom finish. Well at least from what I have seen...lol
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Without considering cost, which TV is generally considered better?

The 65X900E has slightly darker corners. Is this also the case on the 65X930E or is only the 900E affected because of the layout of the LEDs in the backlight?

The 65X900E is backlit but with fewer zones (?) than the 65X930E. Is illumination of black bars when watching movies more evident on the 65X900E or 65X930E?

I'm upgrading from a defective XBR55HX950 (widespread horizontal line issue) and while there was some haloing in the black bars when subtitles were enabled, I didn't notice it with them off. To the best of my knowledge none of the aforementioned TVs have as many dimming zones as the HX950, so which would be the most suitable replacement? I wish Sony would repair the HX950, but no such luck. Have to pick one of these replacements.

I've seen both 2017 TVs in person and still can't decide which would be best. I was very happy with the uniformity, brightness, and black performance of the HX950. Which of these TVs would you guys recommend? If any of you have seen all three sets, your input would be especially appreciated.
"Without considering cost"

Isnt 930e supposed to be in every way (at same screen size) superior to fhe 900e? Why would u accept a TV that is almost 30% more from the same manufacturer if it is not better in pretty much every way than the cheaper one?

Yeah sorry the cost really does matter here to directly answer ur question. 😀

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Is the graphics card perhaps outputting a 4096 x 2160 resolution, instead of a 3840 x 2160 resolution?
Wooow, that's embarrassing. Thank you
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Does anyone really watch the corners of the TV? I would bet that 99.999% of all relevant video content is not in a corner.
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Does anyone really watch the corners of the TV? I would bet that 99.999% of all relevant video content is not in a corner.
Corners are my favorite.

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