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930 is known to have motion issues.
Not that I've ever seen or witnessed. I think you'd only be able to tell the difference with video measurement tools, but not with the human eye. Unless you have some sort of super-human eyes. The 80%/100% response time for the 900E is 4.7ms/10.7ms; while the 80%/100% response time for the 930E is 5.3ms/12.7ms. So I think it'd be pretty hard to detect those differences without measurement equipment. We sure don't notice any.

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"The TV has a very low response time which results in little motion blur following moving objects. Unfortunately it is slightly worse than the X900E, mostly due to the longer 0%-20% transition.

Update 04/03/2017: The 0%-20% and 20%-0% transition have been remeasured with less noise."
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Not that I've ever seen or witnessed. I think you'd only be able to tell the difference with video measurement tools, but not with the human eye. Unless you have some sort of super-human eyes. The 80%/100% response time for the 900E is 4.7ms/10.7ms; while the 80%/100% response time for the 930E is 5.3ms/12.7ms. So I think it'd be pretty hard to detect those differences without measurement equipment. We sure don't notice any.

The rtings .com guys stated further:
"The TV has a very low response time which results in little motion blur following moving objects. Unfortunately it is slightly worse than the X900E, mostly due to the longer 0%-20% transition.

Update 04/03/2017: The 0%-20% and 20%-0% transition have been remeasured with less noise."
Interesting. I dont own a 930 just repeating what ive read. That is really close.

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Interesting. I dont own a 930 just repeating what ive read. That is really close.

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I've heard mixed messages about the X930E. All the testing sites show the 55-inch X930E has good motion, only slightly behind the X900E. I haven't seen a single review, however, that has tested motion blur on the 65-inch X930E. Going one step up, the 75-inch X940E definitely uses a different panel and has "bad" motion blur. Maybe the 65-inch is somewhere in the middle?

I'm going to check out both the 65X900E and the 65X930E this weekend in a retail store, so I'll see if they let me run a motion test.
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Job Well Done!...That had to be some seriously dedicated hard work-->Thank-U.

Has anyone done a spreadsheet for the 75" Version?
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Job Well Done!...That had to be some seriously dedicated hard work-->Thank-U.

Has anyone done a spreadsheet for the 75" Version?
Should be the same
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Is there a Prime Movie that is letterboxed that we can all test? I haven't looked through the catalog on Amazon of 4K material, I've only tried watching Spiderman Homecoming, which I own, and The Grand Tour which is not letterboxed. Also, it only occurs on HDR material, so maybe that's why the bars are black on the content you're watching.
Yes it's only on HDR movies. CHI-RAQ is the one HDR movie with black bars, but I believe THE BIG SICK does too. It's definitely all 4K UHD HDR movies. I'm not running the latest build, but every firmware update since Android TV OS 7 has had it up to October 26 2017, NRD91N.S101 1.6.0.26.76.1.00

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Not that I've ever seen or witnessed. I think you'd only be able to tell the difference with video measurement tools, but not with the human eye. Unless you have some sort of super-human eyes. The 80%/100% response time for the 900E is 4.7ms/10.7ms; while the 80%/100% response time for the 930E is 5.3ms/12.7ms. So I think it'd be pretty hard to detect those differences without measurement equipment. We sure don't notice any.

The rtings .com guys stated further:
"The TV has a very low response time which results in little motion blur following moving objects. Unfortunately it is slightly worse than the X900E, mostly due to the longer 0%-20% transition.

Update 04/03/2017: The 0%-20% and 20%-0% transition have been remeasured with less noise."
All I know is that when I watched them side-by-side, I noticed judder in the 930 and motion blur in sports compared to the 900E. I doubt it was anything the Best Buy Magnolia store had done since it was the exact same feed, and they were actually pushing the 930E, emphasizing it would get the DV update.

That said, I wouldn't buy the 930E for no other reason than it had unacceptable edge light bleed.
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I likes me 900E 75". Picture is simply awesome in 4k. Wife is getting tired of me playing with the settings though. Even you tube looks really good.
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FYI if you turn off enhanced in the display options it makes 1080 Blu Rays a lot sharper. I couldn't figure out why they looked slightly blurry but that fixed it YMMV.
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So i just wanted to comment on how important it is to be looking dead on for this set. I had been having some issues with blooming to the point that i turned off Xtended Dynamic Range for non-hdr content and turned brightness down to 90, contrast to 90 and Xtended Dynamic Range down to Med or Low when watching 4k hdr blu rays. My 75 inch set is wall mounted and i had allowed a pretty large tilt forward. I tipped the screen back a little bit so it's angled down a bit less and man that made a huge difference. I turned brightness back to max, contrast to 94 and Xtended Dynamic Range back to high on 4k hdr blu rays and I have way less blooming to the point that with my bias lighting (or accent lighting as some like to refer to it, lol) I do not even notice it. There is a scene in the beginning of X-Men Apocalypse when Apocalypse is transfering his consciousness to the healing mutant and when the platform he is on lifts up and the blu haze comes off his body the whole bottom left corner would light up and the black bars would get greyish. I think the extreme tilt I had may also have put some weird stress on the screen messing with the back lighting. Now he black bars look pitch black. I turned Xtended Dynamic Range to medium for standard blu rays and man do they pop now. I am in love with this set all over again.
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Thanks for the feedback; you're happy with the sound quality? My primary reason for wanting to upgrade the sound is listening to streaming HD operas.
VERY happy with the Playbar and Sub. There's good reason why they cost as much as they do. Setup and calibration are a breeze too. All you need is a Wifi connection.
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Personally any of the current top streamers are better than most built in apps. And all the streamers have their pros and cons. I have Roku Ultra, nVidia Shield and Apple TV 4K. I tried Fire a while back and did not like it. For app support Roku followed by Apple TV are tops. I fine the Shield to be the fastest followed closely by the Apple. The Shiled has probably the least app support since I can’t get NBC Sports app for it, but can for my Roku and Apple. Apple is the only one that support HDR10 and Dolby Vision. I usually don’t like or do Apple products other than my iPad, but the Apple TV is pretty nice. Since the Sony does not do Dolby Vision any of them will be better than the built in apps.

Also as far as I know of all the streamers the Roku is the only one that supports YouTube HDR.
Thanks to all who replied - appreciate your experiences. I will look for a good deal on the Apple 4k !
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So i just wanted to comment on how important it is to be looking dead on for this set. I had been having some issues with blooming to the point that i turned off Xtended Dynamic Range for non-hdr content and turned brightness down to 90, contrast to 90 and Xtended Dynamic Range down to Med or Low when watching 4k hdr blu rays. My 75 inch set is wall mounted and i had allowed a pretty large tilt forward. I tipped the screen back a little bit so it's angled down a bit less and man that made a huge difference. I turned brightness back to max, contrast to 94 and Xtended Dynamic Range back to high on 4k hdr blu rays and I have way less blooming to the point that with my bias lighting (or accent lighting as some like to refer to it, lol) I do not even notice it. There is a scene in the beginning of X-Men Apocalypse when Apocalypse is transfering his consciousness to the healing mutant and when the platform he is on lifts up and the blu haze comes off his body the whole bottom left corner would light up and the black bars would get greyish. I think the extreme tilt I had may also have put some weird stress on the screen messing with the back lighting. Now he black bars look pitch black. I turned Xtended Dynamic Range to medium for standard blu rays and man do they pop now. I am in love with this set all over again.
I totally agree, even sitting slightly off center will show blooming which I have to deal with because of how my den is set up right now. I have to disagree on the Xtended Dynamic Range though. On some standard blurays you will hardly notice it but on others it blows out the whites to a point where they are grainy and "glowing" even on low. I also don't see how you can have the brightness all the way up on SD content without wearing sunglasses!

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Yes it's only on HDR movies. CHI-RAQ is the one HDR movie with black bars, but I believe THE BIG SICK does too. It's definitely all 4K UHD HDR movies. I'm not running the latest build, but every firmware update since Android TV OS 7 has had it up to October 26 2017, NRD91N.S101 1.6.0.26.76.1.00

Chi-raq and Big Sick don't play in 4k with just a prime subscription unfortunately
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Has nothing to do with the [33.1% larger] screen ?
Not at all saying that the 900e is better than the b6.
My point was simply that I got the 900e to avoid getting IR or BU on the b6.
The b6 is obviously a better display than the 900e. I am using the b6 mainly for 4k DVDs.
The size difference is a bonus.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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Not at all saying that the 900e is better than the b6.
My point was simply that I got the 900e to avoid getting IR or BU on the b6.
The b6 is obviously a better display than the 900e. I am using the b6 mainly for 4k DVDs.
The size difference is a bonus.
The 900e is better it doesn't require special attention.
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Chi-raq and Big Sick don't play in 4k with just a prime subscription unfortunately
They do on mine. Make sure you're accessing the 4K versions. Amazon has an HD version and a 4K version. You may have to go to the 4K listings to make sure you get the correct one, rather than search for it.
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They do on mine. Make sure you're accessing the 4K versions. Amazon has an HD version and a 4K version. You may have to go to the 4K listings to make sure you get the correct one, rather than search for it.
OK, yeah, I didn't see that section and had to scroll way down. Chi-raq definitely displays gray bars. Big Sick is hard to tell because the bars are so small and it's day time. So if anyone is claiming the built in Amazon app has no gray-bar issue, try the Ultra HD version of Chi-raq if you have a prime sub.
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Hi Guys,

Owner of 75” 900e. Something I’ve noticed is that Stereo over Hdmi 1 drops left channel and Stereo over Hdmi 2 drops right channel.

Have tested with Apple TV 4 and an Xbox 360. On Apple TV it’s easy to notice as the navigation sounds pan left and right as you scroll around left/right. Also testing with a simple YouTube app the missing channels are evident.

No such issue on Hdmi 2 or Hdmi 4.

Has anybody noticed this?
I am using 2 and 3 going out to a 2.1 similar to yours and don't have any channel loss. I have the 55 900E.
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The 900e is better it doesn't require special attention.
Well, it's rare that you can pay 1/2 the price and end up with better but the 900E does come really close and then there is talk that HDR is superior in certain lighting conditions due to its NITS rating in comparison.
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I totally agree, even sitting slightly off center will show blooming which I have to deal with because of how my den is set up right now. I have to disagree on the Xtended Dynamic Range though. On some standard blurays you will hardly notice it but on others it blows out the whites to a point where they are grainy and "glowing" even on low. I also don't see how you can have the brightness all the way up on SD content without wearing sunglasses!
SHould have clarified. Max brightness is only for hdr, i had it down to 90 to try and eliminate some blooming. I also have gamma at -1 and black level at 45 and color temp to warm to mitigate the whites being blown out. Still need to fine tune a bit though.

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FYI if you turn off enhanced in the display options it makes 1080 Blu Rays a lot sharper. I couldn't figure out why they looked slightly blurry but that fixed it YMMV.
I would like to get some clarity on this. I have my Sony x800 4k player hooked up to HDMI 2 and have been running it on enhanced. I was looking at standard blu rays after reading this last night and i do think it increased the clarity a little bit but not sure if it's placebo effect. On standard mode I was able to play 4k blu ray rip and HDR did turn on. So my question is this.

Obviously we do not much/any 4k 60fps content yet. But what is 4:2:2 at 10 bit and 4:4:4 talking about? I think it has something to do with using the tv as a PC monitor for 4k gaming or something. Should i only turn enhanced mode on when watching 4k blu rays or rips? Or should i just leave it on standard all the time if I don't have a PC hooked up to my tv?

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So i just wanted to comment on how important it is to be looking dead on for this set. I had been having some issues with blooming to the point that i turned off Xtended Dynamic Range for non-hdr content and turned brightness down to 90, contrast to 90 and Xtended Dynamic Range down to Med or Low when watching 4k hdr blu rays. My 75 inch set is wall mounted and i had allowed a pretty large tilt forward. I tipped the screen back a little bit so it's angled down a bit less and man that made a huge difference. I turned brightness back to max, contrast to 94 and Xtended Dynamic Range back to high on 4k hdr blu rays and I have way less blooming to the point that with my bias lighting (or accent lighting as some like to refer to it, lol) I do not even notice it. There is a scene in the beginning of X-Men Apocalypse when Apocalypse is transfering his consciousness to the healing mutant and when the platform he is on lifts up and the blu haze comes off his body the whole bottom left corner would light up and the black bars would get greyish. I think the extreme tilt I had may also have put some weird stress on the screen messing with the back lighting. Now he black bars look pitch black. I turned Xtended Dynamic Range to medium for standard blu rays and man do they pop now. I am in love with this set all over again.
My 75" Sony 900E when first wall mounted tipped too far forward no matter how much we tightened up everything.

The solution was low tech - - we cut out some of the white styrofoam in a small block (cubes) and placed it behind the TV (one lower left and one lower right) and that worked like a charm. It's not noticeable unless you press your head close to the wall which you never really do. There is a couch that is on the side but it's extended out far enough to where the styrofoam can't be seen.

Having the panel dead straight, vertically, or a very minimal tilt forward is optimal, IMHO.

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I would like to get some clarity on this. I have my Sony x800 4k player hooked up to HDMI 2 and have been running it on enhanced. I was looking at standard blu rays after reading this last night and i do think it increased the clarity a little bit but not sure if it's placebo effect. On standard mode I was able to play 4k blu ray rip and HDR did turn on. So my question is this.

Obviously we do not much/any 4k 60fps content yet. But what is 4:2:2 at 10 bit and 4:4:4 talking about? I think it has something to do with using the tv as a PC monitor for 4k gaming or something. Should i only turn enhanced mode on when watching 4k blu rays or rips? Or should i just leave it on standard all the time if I don't have a PC hooked up to my tv?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling

If you have a device connected to the port that will take advantage of enhanced chroma, then just turn it on an leave it. The only reason it's there, is because some older devices won't work with the enhanced setting. If your device works with it, then there's no reason not to have it turned on.
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930 is known to have motion issues.
All LED's and OLED's do to some degree.......Plasma was the best technology for motion, but those days are over.....
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Has anyone noticed a weird ripple-like banding on their X900E in a 65-inch or 75-inch? There is a lot talk on the X930E forum about the 65-inch having these ripple-like defects that sometimes go away and come back. It looks like the panel is warping as the temperatures change. It is more noticeable viewed slightly off angle. This is NOT regular banding, but actually a physical defect in the panel as the temperatures change.

The reason I ask is this is the exact defect that is causing my KS8000 to fail, and if the Sony's also have that issue I'm a little hesitant to get one as a replacement.

Check out post 5587 in the X930E thread for pictures.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling

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If you have a device connected to the port that will take advantage of enhanced chroma, then just turn it on an leave it. The only reason it's there, is because some older devices won't work with the enhanced setting. If your device works with it, then there's no reason not to have it turned on.
I see, so if I'm using the same 4k player to play 4k hdr movies and standard 1080 movies, then I should leave it on as the 4k player obviously has the capabilities to handle that enhanced chroma regardless of the source content? Is that correct?

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I see, so if I'm using the same 4k player to play 4k hdr movies and standard 1080 movies, then I should leave it on as the 4k player obviously has the capabilities to handle that enhanced chroma regardless of the source content? Is that correct?
It's not placebo it's a real noticeable improvement it takes them from being ho hum to what they should be. My understanding is it should be used for 4K disc. In fact i'm also seeing a big improvement in my Direc tv with it set to standard. Since i got this i was wondering why don't these Blu Rays look great on this thing they do on the LG. I thought it might have been just an adjustment.

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Hey everyone, just wanted to post a quick note for those who may be looking for soundbars and 4k blu-ray players!

I just hooked up a Sonos Playbar and Samsung M9500 (went with the Samsung because it will transcode DTS to DD 5.1, so there aren't any issues with the Playbar). Just want to say setup was a breeze and there's absolutely no audio sync issues that I can see with any of my inputs.

Just for background, here's my setup:
1. PS4 Pro, Cable box, Roku, and M9500 all connected via HDMI to my tv (PS4 Pro and M9500 are in the Enhanced HDMI ports).
2. Optical going into a splitter (running one optical to Sennheiser HDR 175s, and one optical to the Playbar).

My only real issue is that I don't get sound to my headphones when I have things playing in DD 5.1, but it's easy enough on the M9500 to flip between PCM and DD 5.1 in the event I want to watch something while wearing my headphones.

Anyway, I was torn between the Playbar and Bose SoundTouch 300, but I'm very satisfied with the Playbar (so far...I have only had it for about 6 hours, haha). Will likely be buying Play ONEs for surround, but unfortunately can't really get the sub because I live in an apartment.
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The 900e is better it doesn't require special attention.
The only special attention the LG needs is to not leave the same logo on the screen for 3+ straight weeks. rtings.com did burn in tests and is doing a new round of more real world usage to see if burn-in on the LG OLEDs is a real issue or not. That said if I were a heavy gamer I would probably go with a LED TV. Plasma was far worse with burn-in or IR than OLEDs.

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