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Question Sharpness setting?

Is there not a Sharpness setting on this TV? I just got the TV this morning and I have searched high and low in the settings, but cannot find the Sharpness setting. I thought it might be useful in reducing artifacts to lower the sharpness for viewing cable TV.

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I assume your connected via WiFi? Did you try another streaming app like YouTube? It maybe your WiFi connection. How far is your router from the tv? Can you run an Ethernet cable connection to the tv from your router and try that?
Thanks. Yes, connected via Wi-Fi to my router, which is only 15 feet from the TV. My internet service tests out over 100 mbps via Wi-Fi on my laptop pc. Yes, I can run an Ethernet cable and see what effect that has.

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Just received my 65? 900e and it?s an awesome display, but I have one question. I have my Oppo 203 going into HDMI 4, with a 4K UHD Blu Ray playing. The Oppo reads 4K HDR, but the Display screen on the Sony shows 1080p/24p. I thought all 4 ports could do 4K/ HDR.
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First you have to navigate to the 4K UHD Amazon selections. There aren't that many. The problem is with doing a search is that you may get the 1080p version rather than the 4K version. Once you confirm that it's 4K from the title banner in the movie menu, you can confirm you are getting HDR by going to Picture Adjustments on the 900E and looking at the upper right corner for the HDR indicator.
Thanks. Yes, I navigated to an Amazon 4K program for sure. I think I'll reset my modem and router.

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Is there not a Sharpness setting on this TV? I just got the TV this morning and I have searched high and low in the settings, but cannot find the Sharpness setting. I thought it might be useful in reducing artifacts to lower the sharpness for viewing cable TV.
Action Menu button on the remote
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Sharpness is at the top in the clarity menu
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Action Menu button on the remote
Picture Adjustments
Advanced Settings
Clarity

Sharpness is at the top in the clarity menu
Thanks very much. I finally found it in the Clarity tab.

BTW, is there a setting for Screen Size? Most TVs I've seen recently have a selection for screen size, which basically gives you two options for how much overscan you will have. I want to make sure that I have the least overscan possible.

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Just received my 65? 900e and it?s an awesome display, but I have one question. I have my Oppo 203 going into HDMI 4, with a 4K UHD Blu Ray playing. The Oppo reads 4K HDR, but the Display screen on the Sony shows 1080p/24p. I thought all 4 ports could do 4K/ HDR.
Depends. If it's playing at 60hz then you will need ports 2 or 3 with the enhanced mode on to support it. Really anything that is pushing that level of 4k with HDR will work best that way.

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Just received my 65? 900e and it?s an awesome display, but I have one question. I have my Oppo 203 going into HDMI 4, with a 4K UHD Blu Ray playing. The Oppo reads 4K HDR, but the Display screen on the Sony shows 1080p/24p. I thought all 4 ports could do 4K/ HDR.
No. Ports 1 & 4 are not full bandwidth. Try hdmi 2. Make sure to select “enhanced mode” on the tv hdmi ports setup. It’s off but default.

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Just received my 65? 900e and it?s an awesome display, but I have one question. I have my Oppo 203 going into HDMI 4, with a 4K UHD Blu Ray playing. The Oppo reads 4K HDR, but the Display screen on the Sony shows 1080p/24p. I thought all 4 ports could do 4K/ HDR.
Yes. All four ports support 4K HDR up to 30Hz. If you want your external gear to work on ports 1 & 4, you will need to limit output to 30Hz max.

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Thanks very much. I finally found it in the Clarity tab.

BTW, is there a setting for Screen Size? Most TVs I've seen recently have a selection for screen size, which basically gives you two options for how much overscan you will have. I want to make sure that I have the least overscan possible.
Home/Settings/Picture and Display/Screen/Display area & Screen position
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No. Ports 1 & 4 are not full bandwidth. Try hdmi 2. Make sure to select “enhanced mode” on the tv hdmi ports setup. It’s off but default.
Unless the OP is running 60hz video then enhanced does not need to be turned on. For a 4k bluray player you can hook it to any of the 4 ports and get HDR. For a gaming station that is a different story, probably do need to be in either port 2 or 3 with enhanced on.

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I've had my 900e since late November (black Friday purchase) and though it is not perfect it is a darn good TV. My charter cable looks great on most channels, OTA is fantastic, regular dvd's are pretty good and regular blurays are just plain awesome! I am not overly impressed with the few 4k HDR movies I have but I still think they are better than the bluray counterparts. I am using a samsung 4k player and letting the samsung upscale to 4k instead of the TV. I have tried both ways and I can't tell a difference in the pic quality. I started out using some settings from folks on here as well as the major websites. Kept the color on expert 1 for a few months but recently changed that to "warm" and I like it better. The expert 1 does show great contrast depth but I just don't like the "yellow" whites. Here is my settings for anybody who may want to try them.
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Gamma - -1
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Xtended dynamic range - off
Hue - 0
Color Temp - Warm
Live Color - Low
Sharp - 50
Reality Creation - Auto
Random Noise - off
Digital Noise - off
Smooth Grad - On
Motion - Standard
Cinemotion - High

4k HDR is about the same except I have brightness at 90 and Xtended dynamic range on high

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No. Ports 1 & 4 are not full bandwidth. Try hdmi 2. Make sure to select ?enhanced mode? on the tv hdmi ports setup. It?s off but default.
Unless the OP is running 60hz video then enhanced does not need to be turned on. For a 4k bluray player you can hook it to any of the 4 ports and get HDR. For a gaming station that is a different story, probably do need to be in either port 2 or 3 with enhanced on.
This is where I was confused. Like you said, it was only a 4K Blu Ray that was lower than 60hz. My gaming consoles are connected to HDMI 2 and 3.
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I've had my 900e since late November (black Friday purchase) and though it is not perfect it is a darn good TV.
For the price they are at they are unsurpassed. Have not seen a perfect set to date
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For the price they are at they are unsurpassed. Have not seen a perfect set to date
Yep. I have learned that there is no perfect TV. There is always something. I don't expect perfection any longer. So my TV is a little lighter in the upper corners under very specific circumstances. Pfft so what. Android TV is slow and bloated. Oh well. I try to take a more big picture approach (no pun intended) and find this 900E to be an excellent value that does everything well enough. I have never been so pleased with picture quality, and general performance for my use case.

But there is one annoyance. I was getting dolby digital via arc to my Yamaha, but then it just stopped working and now only sends stereo using native apps. I have been too lazy to try resetting the set because I rarely use the built in apps anyway. All the sound settings look right. Just weird.
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If you can get Sony to come out and look at the issue - - that would be your best direction. AAFES is great for competitive pricing but probably little help when it comes to troubleshooting a problem like this. And, if needed, it would be optimal if Sony agreed to ship you a replacement set (I'm not sure if they can/will do that, but that would be best.)

I know it can be frustrating to go through issues like this but stay the course. It's a great TV if you can get this resolved.
Hey I just wanted to say thanks for giving me the idea to talk to Sony - they've been great. I called them up immediately, told them of my issue and that this was my second set. They asked for some pictures, the bill of sale, and their executive support team reached out the next day. They're sending a replacement with a tech to remove the old one, help me setup and verify the new one is perfect. I've actually never seen customer service like this before - don't know if this is normal or if karma is helping me out.
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Can you see these issues with normal content?
Unfortunately yes, any scene that had any form of white or bright color was immediately obvious. Sony is taking great care of me though, replacement is on it's way.
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This is where I was confused. Like you said, it was only a 4K Blu Ray that was lower than 60hz. My gaming consoles are connected to HDMI 2 and 3.
What are the output settings of the Oppo? (Not the media you are playing)

Assuming the output settings are at 4K HDR 30Hz or less, one other option is that the Oppo requires an HDMI 2.0 port, and will not function properly on a 1.4 port, for whatever reason. That should not be the case, if it's not sending a high bandwidth signal, but anything's possible.
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Unless the OP is running 60hz video then enhanced does not need to be turned on. For a 4k bluray player you can hook it to any of the 4 ports and get HDR. For a gaming station that is a different story, probably do need to be in either port 2 or 3 with enhanced on.
Oh. I thought HDR required the high bandwidth. So hi bandwidth is just for signals above 30hz? Don’t matter if the video signal is 4K?

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I have a 5-6 year old SONY 4K XBR-65x900A that has served me well until last month, when it started losing all sound after begin on about 15-20 minutes. I am using the original speakers which came in the TV. All the software updates are current. Resetting to factory settings has not helped. The only resolution is to unplug the TV for a few minutes, and restart it.
One online TV technician told me I probably needed to replace the main-board due to bad software or bad hardware for the sound amp. Does anyone have another suggested solution? Thanks~!
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Gentlemen:
I have a 5-6 year old SONY 4K XBR-65x900A that has served me well until last month, when it started losing all sound after begin on about 15-20 minutes. I am using the original speakers which came in the TV. All the software updates are current. Resetting to factory settings has not helped. The only resolution is to unplug the TV for a few minutes, and restart it.
One online TV technician told me I probably needed to replace the main-board due to bad software or bad hardware for the sound amp. Does anyone have another suggested solution? Thanks~!
A small sound bar that accepts optical input? That would likely resolve the issue
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A small sound bar that accepts optical input? That would likely resolve the issue
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd just like the TV to work as it always has, without my having to add new equipment.
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I bought my 65"X900E through Costco Canada as well and in the process of doing an exchange. If the next one I receive has the same light bleed on the left side and top, I'm returning and moving on. Sony can tell me until they're blue in the face, that it's within normal specifications, well there's no way that a 1" strip of light bleed is normal! I watched the exact same content on my 65" KS8000 and it had ZERO light bleed on the entire panel and it's an edge lit. I should also mention that I went to BB and purchased the same tv and guess what? Again a 1" strip of light bleed on the left side and top. Both tv's manufactured in Mexico Nov 2017. I guess Sony is just hoping, that the general public will have no idea and think it's normal to have that strip of light on their $2000 tv?
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It is quite odd. I've never experienced a phenomenon like this in any other TV. It's NOT actually light bleed, but a weird difference in brightness.

Because you can't see it on very very dark scenes. If the edge of the TV is black or extremely close to it, you don't see it at all.

Only on on *dim* scenes. And it is by far most prevalent on scenes that features grays or dark to mid-dark blues or greens.

It truly does depend on the type of scene being displayed.
Just want to know what did you guys end up doing? Did you exchange the TV for another one or kept the same TV? I got a second set from Costco Canada, but it's having the same issue. I am at crossroads now as to what I should do now. I really like the picture quality...it has best picture quality that I've seen, second only to OLED, but this issue with edge brightness / halo is bothering me and just wanted to check what people are doing about it. Any insight will be much appreciated.
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Oh. I thought HDR required the high bandwidth. So hi bandwidth is just for signals above 30hz? Don’t matter if the video signal is 4K?
I am no expert but yes (I think). When I got my TV a few months ago I couldn't figure it out either but after doing some more digging and experimenting on my own to make sure you can hook a 4k player to any of the 4 inputs and get HDR. Enhanced will not do anything for you unless it is at 60hz or one of the other criteria. I have my samsung 4k player in port 1 right now and the HDR symbol comes up on a 4k movie and I can tell no difference from when I had it on port 2 with enhanced on.
On a side note one cool thing I like about this tv is that it recognized my samsung player and it is listed both under the hdmi ports as well as separately. When I select it by name (which the TV did on its own) it will turn the player on and I can control it with my 900e remote. My old samsung would only do other samsung products and not very well at that.

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I am no expert but yes (I think). When I got my TV a few months ago I couldn't figure it out either but after doing some more digging and experimenting on my own to make sure you can hook a 4k player to any of the 4 inputs and get HDR. Enhanced will not do anything for you unless it is at 60hz or one of the other criteria. I have my samsung 4k player in port 1 right now and the HDR symbol comes up on a 4k movie and I can tell no difference from when I had it on port 2 with enhanced on.
On a side note one cool thing I like about this tv is that it recognized my samsung player and it is listed both under the hdmi ports as well as separately. When I select it by name (which the TV did on its own) it will turn the player on and I can control it with my 900e remote. My old samsung would only do other samsung products and not very well at that.
That's essentially correct. This post tries to delineate it a bit using Sony's own specs:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post55732512

Chroma sub-sampling is the other key component here, not just framerate. So it's possible to have a higher bit depth at a lower framerate which may not be supported on ports 1 & 4 due to bandwidth. It just all depends on your device.

Your 4K BD player may be capable of higher chroma bit depth, which may make a perceptible difference to you, in which case, you'd want to use port 2 & 3 for full bandwidth media like a BD player, even if only watching 24p movies. A streaming box wouldn't really make much difference.

I do love that the 900E automatically recognizes my Apple TV 4K, and automatically switches to it when using its remote, or streaming something to it, and that it lets me use my Sony remote to control it as well. However, every so often, my ATV 4K drops off and I have to power cycle it to synch up again. It's just the synchronized features, not the HDMI port -- it's still there and I can selected it, it just won't auto launch, or allow me to control it via the Sony remote. Does that ever happen with your Samsung?
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Thank you for your thoughtful post. I was on the verge of buying a 75" 900e and sitting 10-11 feet away. Over 50% of the use will be watching sports broadcast 1080i/720p on Fios.

It sounds like the best thing to do is to get a 65" to avoid seeing amplified imperfections of cable TV. Have other "average" TV watchers had similar experiences watching cable sports on 900e? Thanks
I haven't checked on this thread in awhile but came across your reply to my post this morning. I also saw the later post where you didn't get the 65" and instead purchased the 75" and were disappointed. Sorry about that. I would have steered you to the 65" if I were around as we are both Fios users who spend 50% of our TV time watching Live Sports.

Let me start by saying that the issue with 4K panels doing a mediocre job with 1080i/720p broadcast cable, particularly Live Sports, has nothing to do with Sony or this particular 900E TV. The disappointment (and fact of life) is that if you want to upgrade your 5-10 year old 1080p HDTV you have to get a 4K panel which unfortunately amplifies the imperfections inherent in cable signals. One would think that the manufacturers would have used the last decade to figure out a way to improve 1080i/720p broadcast cable picture performance on a 4K panel, but they haven't.

What I did was go from a 2009 55" Sony 1080p HDTV to the 2017 65" 900E 4K TV and from the same viewing distance of 14 feet and after a six month break-in period here is what I can report:

1080i broadcast Live Sports (NBC, CBS, MSG, YES) looks as good as it did on my old 1080p native panel from my couch 14 feet away. Anything under 10 feet, I can see imperfections, blocking, etc.

720p broadcast Live Sports (FOX, ESPN) looks far worse than it did on my old 1080p native panel even at 14 feet. Half the NFL games, the World Series, any time the camera pans around the picture is a mess.

So my advice to you, if you haven't done it already, is to return your 75" and get the 65". It will look much better. It won't be perfect, it never will, but it will make you happier. There are too many "get the bigger panel!" people in this thread who don't watch Live Sports on cable regularly or are willing to compromise the viewing experience because they value the 4K movies and YouTube videos more than average people do.
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RE: "So my advice to you, if you haven't done it already, is to return your 75" and get the 65". It will look much better. There are too many "get the bigger panel!" people in this thread who don't watch Live Sports on cable regularly or are willing to compromise the viewing experience because they value the 4K movies and YouTube videos more than average people do."

Not my experience. I get an exceptional picture for football, basketball, hockey, baseball and golf with my 75" Sony 900E. All live sports. The golf from Mexico City has been incredible - - you can really see the variations in the greens. Hockey is lights out - - no banding and a real treat to watch on a bigger panel. 65% of my TV viewing is live sports. 15% cable news and other network shows with 20% streaming (Netflix, primarily).

Results can vary for a number of reasons - - provider, settings and signal being transmitted being the main determinants. In my case, I have Comcast cable set at 720p. I tried 1080i & 1080p as upscaled by the Comcast Xfinity (non 4K) STB and 720p works the best for me. I had my cable line retrenched from the back of my house to the main cable box outside. They also used conduit and buried the cable under my lawn. Lastly, I have a Commscope AD48 amplifier in my man cave where the main Comcast STB is located. I'm sure that has to do with an older house and the way that the cable has been split. The other two TV's in our house use the smaller Comcast "client" box.

If you have a shi%$y signal or poor settings on your 75" set - - switching to a 65" set isn't going to make much difference, IMHO.
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Thank you for your thoughtful post. I was on the verge of buying a 75" 900e and sitting 10-11 feet away. Over 50% of the use will be watching sports broadcast 1080i/720p on Fios.

It sounds like the best thing to do is to get a 65" to avoid seeing amplified imperfections of cable TV. Have other "average" TV watchers had similar experiences watching cable sports on 900e? Thanks
Well, I've had my 75 900E since Friday and I understand the issues with viewing cable programming that is at 720p and/or 1080i/p resolution. I have Suddenlink cable and, yes, ESPN doesn't look so great. NBC and CBS, with their native 1080i broadcast, look decent. FWIW, what I did was to lower the Sharpness setting on that input, so as to lessen the artifacts a bit.

However, having now viewed a bit of 4K content on my 75", I would not counsel you to go with a 65" if you will be viewing much 4K content. The sense of immersion is great! I'll just live with the less than desired image quality on my TV viewing.

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RE: "So my advice to you, if you haven't done it already, is to return your 75" and get the 65". It will look much better. There are too many "get the bigger panel!" people in this thread who don't watch Live Sports on cable regularly or are willing to compromise the viewing experience because they value the 4K movies and YouTube videos more than average people do."

Not my experience. I get an exceptional picture for football, basketball, hockey, baseball and golf with my 75" Sony 900E. All live sports. The golf from Mexico City has been incredible - - you can really see the variations in the greens. Hockey is lights out - - no banding and a real treat to watch on a bigger panel. 65% of my TV viewing is live sports. 15% cable news and other network shows with 20% streaming (Netflix, primarily).

Results can vary for a number of reasons - - provider, settings and signal being transmitted being the main determinants. In my case, I have Comcast cable set at 720p. I tried 1080i & 1080p as upscaled by the Comcast Xfinity (non 4K) STB and 720p works the best for me. I had my cable line retrenched from the back of my house to the main cable box outside. They also used conduit and buried the cable under my lawn. Lastly, I have a Commscope AD48 amplifier in my man cave where the main Comcast STB is located. I'm sure that has to do with an older house and the way that the cable has been split. The other two TV's in our house use the smaller Comcast "client" box.

If you have a shi%$y signal or poor settings on your 75" set - - switching to a 65" set isn't going to make much difference, IMHO.
Interesting. I watched some of that yesterday, and I noticed that, as the camera would pan across the green to track a putt, tremendous smearing of the grass as long as the camera was panning. As soon as the camera shot became stationary on the green, yes, then it looked great and I could see the grass leaves. I have my Suddenlink Cable HD DVR set to output 1080i, as that looked the best to me with my prior TV, which was a Samsung HL67A750 DLP projection TV. Perhaps, I'll set the DVR to output 720p, which I hate to do, as it doesn't look as sharp as 1080i.

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Interesting. I watched some of that yesterday, and I noticed that, as the camera would pan across the green to track a putt, tremendous smearing of the grass as long as the camera was panning. As soon as the camera shot became stationary on the green, yes, then it looked great and I could see the grass leaves. I have my Suddenlink Cable HD DVR set to output 1080i, as that looked the best to me with my prior TV, which was a Samsung HL67A750 DLP projection TV. Perhaps, I'll set the DVR to output 720p, which I hate to do, as it doesn't look as sharp as 1080i.
At some level, a lot of this is going to be personal taste and what your eyes see. You very well may get a better picture with a 1080i setting with your Suddenlink Cable box. I'm not sure what algorithm they use to "upscale," but my main goal has always been to let the Sony 900E do the upscaling and to prevent the cable or satellite box and/or my AVR from altering the signal in any way.

Remote "panning" shots (hand held) cameras can yield some weird artifacts. And I'm still amazed and the variance in cable transmission from night to night, event to event. A perfect example is our home Altitude Sports station here in Denver. The local hockey games and even "city" shots are spectacular. MSG is always a great feed. Other hockey cities can have so so broadcasts in terms of PQ.

The NBA Nugget basketball game against the Cleveland Cavaliers didn't look as good as the previous nights broadcast from Memphis. So with cable or satellite - - it can be a real crap shoot, signal wise, and how well the Sony 900E can upscale the picture. Grizzle burger will not taste as good as a juicy rib eye steak. It would be nice if we could get some consistency from our cable & satellite signals but that's going to take time - especially for live events. If you feed a Ferrari (our Sony 900E) low octane gas, it's gonna sputter at times.

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I’ll be coming from a 60” Vizio E series from 2014. Anyone have any opinions on who substantial of an upgrade it will be for movies amd games?
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