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Does anyone have a pro calibration setting for the 900e 55''?

Also do you REALLY need to re-do these settings to each individual HDMI input? if so that is the dumbest thing i have ever seen.

On my old plasma 1 setup = all.

thanks guys!
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What’s the latest reliable software version, mine hasn’t updated since October 26th

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My spreadsheet has a few pro calibration settings by users (vs. sites):
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I highly recommend the middle link.Ive had the set since sept and tried many calibration settings but link 2 is best for me. I completely used all his settings.
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Does anyone know if this is the correct software version...

For the Sony 65X900E as of March 25 2018?

PKG6.2818.0075NAA

I tried to update the software over wi-fi and it said... Software up to date.

Can anyone confirm, that is the most current software version?

Version: PKG6.2818.0075NAA

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Does anyone know if this is the correct software version...

For the Sony 65X900E as of March 25 2018?

PKG6.2818.0075NAA

I tried to update the software over wi-fi and it said... Software up to date.

Can anyone confirm, that is the most current software version?

Version: PKG6.2818.0075NAA

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Sony has a release on 3/20/18 - PKG6.2858.00082NAA

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model...3#/downloadTab

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You can certainly try them.....Everyone's TV will be different, interesting read about this here <<< Click Here >>>
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Sony has a release on 3/20/18 - PKG6.2858.00082NAA

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model...3#/downloadTab
I tried updating the software over Wi-Fi but it said my version was up to date.

Which it is not.

I guess I will have to try the USB method.
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I tried updating the software over Wi-Fi but it said my version was up to date.

Which it is not.

I guess I will have to try the USB method.
My tv also wouldn't update through the set yet, so I did the USB method and didn't have any issues. But there are a few posts above where there were some issues going the USB route.

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My tv also wouldn't update through the set yet, so I did the USB method and didn't have any issues. But there are a few posts above where there were some issues going the USB route.
Mine wouldn't either! Updated with USB the other night and so far no issues.
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Does anyone have a pro calibration setting for the 900e 55''?

Also do you REALLY need to re-do these settings to each individual HDMI input? if so that is the dumbest thing i have ever seen.

On my old plasma 1 setup = all.


thanks guys!
Unfortunately, yes. You have to adjust each source separately.

I really miss the "copy settings to all" feature of my original LG, but the picture was horrible, and definitely worth the trade off for what I get from the 900e.

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I tried updating the software over Wi-Fi but it said my version was up to date.

Which it is not.

I guess I will have to try the USB method.
The auto software update feature is somewhat random. It seems to arbitrarily set an update cycle for all installed 900Es and I don't really see a patter as to why mine always seems to be on the end of that cycle.

That said, I'm quite happy it is, as Sony pulled the auto update from January before it got to my TV.

I'm not really sure why people rush to get the latest software, unless it's bringing some new feature like DV. The only time I ever used USB to install the latest software was with the upgrade to Android TV OS 7.0. But other than that I've just let them come when they come. And it's worked out pretty well so far, especially when there's a problem reported here, giving me the opportunity to disable to auto update until the problem is resolved.
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Does anyone have a pro calibration setting for the 900e 55''?

Also do you REALLY need to re-do these settings to each individual HDMI input? if so that is the dumbest thing i have ever seen.
Another Q?

If I get a professional calibration does it only apply to the Picture Mode the Calibrator uses? I'd like to have one for Sports, Prime-Time TV, Movies & 4K-HDR but would hate to have to pay for separate Picture Mode Calibrations????
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You can certainly try them.....Everyone's TV will be different, interesting read about this here <<< Click Here >>>
The moral of the story? No two TV's are exactly the same - - even if the same model, same size & same year. Outside of a "calibrated set" and personal preferences, this explains why there can be a lot of deviation in Sony 900E user's settings.

My advice? If you are not going to get your TV professionally calibrated, then find the settings that work for you. No harm in experimentation. No right answer here. Once you have what you like - - set it and forget it. And enjoy!

Looking forward to the Masters Golf Tournament and since I do not have Directv, I'm hoping there is a Sony 4K app that can be streamed. I haven't seen any mention of it on the web recently.

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Unfortunately, yes. You have to adjust each source separately.
Seems like this is a plus, as you may want different settings, to account for different characteristics of various sources.

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One would hope that at some point they fix the bug where you have to go to Bluetooth settings and re-connect your headphones almost every time you use them. Inexplicable and inexcusable that they haven't managed to get this right.
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Another Q?

If I get a professional calibration does it only apply to the Picture Mode the Calibrator uses? I'd like to have one for Sports, Prime-Time TV, Movies & 4K-HDR but would hate to have to pay for separate Picture Mode Calibrations????
Never paid a professional calibrator, so not sure if they charge by the preset. My understanding is the calibration is designed to give you a picture neutral starting point for your unique TV panel, in your unique lighting setting, which accounts for both day, night, ambient, and dark conditions. If you want different settings for different kinds of programming it may very well cost more. However, they should all start from the same point, which is the most time consuming part of it.

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Seems like this is a plus, as you may want different settings, to account for different characteristics of various sources.


One would hope that at some point they fix the bug where you have to go to Bluetooth settings and re-connect your headphones almost every time you use them. Inexplicable and inexcusable that they haven't managed to get this right.
It's not about being a plus to adjust multiple picture settings independently, it's about starting from the same point on each setting and adjusting from a known good picture. Say you get your set calibrated and want to start from those pure settings on each preset; you'll have to re-enter those settings first before you can start adjusting them. And that's a drawback to the Sony, over which the LG had the clear advantage.

I never have to reconnect my BT headphones, or any other BT device. Paired them once, and whenever I turn them on, they connect to the 900E. And that's everything from a cheap $20 BT dongle to high end Beats. I've read all 14K+ posts and don't recall ever seeing your problem reported here before. Try another BT device with it and see if it has the same problem. If so, might want to call Sony.

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If I get a professional calibration does it only apply to the Picture Mode the Calibrator uses? I'd like to have one for Sports, Prime-Time TV, Movies & 4K-HDR but would hate to have to pay for separate Picture Mode Calibrations????


Mine used the Cinema Pro and Cinema Home slots for dark and daylight viewing respectively. I would assume if further calibrations were made cost would go up, but these two settings by the pro calibration dude are more than sufficient for all my viewing


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I've noticed when watching a few UHDs like the Nolan Bateman trilogy or Justice League that in certain scenes the screen seems to dim and brighten for no discernible reason.

I've tested this on other settings and it doesn't seem to do this with cinema pro or cinema home. I kinda prefer standard for hdr. Again it's not constant throughout these movies just certain scenes typically when the scene has dim lighting. Kinda annoying
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I tried updating the software over Wi-Fi but it said my version was up to date.

Which it is not.

I guess I will have to try the USB method.
Thanks now for the info ! There is some good fixes in this release,. The weird ps4 issue which is linked to the different video settings ... and hopefully a fix for amazon video ..... FINALLY.

Edit, after installing update. Fixed PS4 issue. Don't think it did anything to fix the crappy Amazon prime video app. Still terrible performance with 4K HDR content.

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Does anyone have a pro calibration setting for the 900e 55''?

Also do you REALLY need to re-do these settings to each individual HDMI input? if so that is the dumbest thing i have ever seen.

On my old plasma 1 setup = all.


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The moral of the story? No two TV's are exactly the same - - even if the same model, same size & same year. Outside of a "calibrated set" and personal preferences, this explains why there can be a lot of deviation in Sony 900E user's settings.

My advice? If you are not going to get your TV professionally calibrated, then find the settings that work for you. No harm in experimentation. No right answer here. Once you have what you like - - set it and forget it. And enjoy!

Looking forward to the Masters Golf Tournament and since I do not have Directv, I'm hoping there is a Sony 4K app that can be streamed. I haven't seen any mention of it on the web recently.
I think RFB nailed it. If you want professional calibration settings for your TV, hire a professional to calibrate it. There are variances in every single panel and some of the other components, and NO TWO VIEWING ROOMS ARE THE SAME. Even if every set were identical, folks would have different settings because of the room. I have used Austin Jerry's settings for his 940D as a starting point for my own 940D as well as my 800E and 900E sets that I and my parents own. Subtle variations from one to the next make each one work really well for me.

As far having to set each input... No, you don't -HAVE- to set each input independently... Only the ones that you want to look really nice.

I see this as both a blessing and a curse. I hate having to set each, individual source (including built-in apps). But, I can tailor the settings because things are actually different from the different inputs.
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As far having to set each input... No, you don't -HAVE- to set each input independently... Only the ones that you want to look really nice.

I see this as both a blessing and a curse. I hate having to set each, individual source (including built-in apps). But, I can tailor the settings because things are actually different from the different inputs.
Right. But why not provide an option like LG has, which allows settings from one preset, to be copied to all presets? This would be especially helpful if one is professionally calibrating the set. That way, all presets starts from the same preferred settings, and then can be adjusted for specific needs. Each preset already has a reset option, so if someone really wanted to go back to a specific factory default they liked, after copying all he settings over, they could do that too.

Again, this is just software, for which I think most here agree, Sony is woefully outclassed by most of its competitors.
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Hey All,

I know I can plug an External HD in my sony and it will play 4K movies etc. Does the TV notice if the movie is HDR or does HDR only come through HDMI?

Hope that makes sense.

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Another Q?

If I get a professional calibration does it only apply to the Picture Mode the Calibrator uses? I'd like to have one for Sports, Prime-Time TV, Movies & 4K-HDR but would hate to have to pay for separate Picture Mode Calibrations????
Most qualified professional calibrators will at a minimum do a day and a night in both SDR and HDR.
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Right. But why not provide an option like LG has, which allows settings from one preset, to be copied to all presets? This would be especially helpful if one is professionally calibrating the set. That way, all presets starts from the same preferred settings, and then can be adjusted for specific needs. Each preset already has a reset option, so if someone really wanted to go back to a specific factory default they liked, after copying all he settings over, they could do that too.

Again, this is just software, for which I think most here agree, Sony is woefully outclassed by most of its competitors.
Yes, an option to copy from another input (or to another input) would be nice. However, it isn't the end of the world that they aren't there. Android should have a backup and restore procedure that works so that you can factory reset your TV and restore your settings. After a decade of this OS being available for phones, I can't believe that there is no built-in backup method for it. Google likes to tout automatic backup of stuff to the cloud, but that's a load of crap - it has never worked for me on ANY Android device.

"Sony is woefully outclassed by most of its competitors" - Really? There isn't a single TV OS out there that's any good. What you describe as being "woefully outclassed" is better described as another manufacturer being "the best of a sorry lot."
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Most qualified professional calibrators will at a minimum do a day and a night in both SDR and HDR.


Yep. Mine just did the two and replicated them on two inputs I was using, one for the receiver input which daisy chains the ATV, PS and fibre and the other which has the video input from the Oppo 203


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Someone convince me to sell my 65-inch LG B6 OLED for the 75-inch 900E It's the size I'm after. While I do have the 49-inch 900E, I know as panels get bigger, there can be differences.

I know it's considered a downgrade, but I know I'll be gaining some more brightness, no worries about IR/BI, etc.
Well, since no one convinced me, I just had to convince myself! I did it, I sold my 65 B6 OLED for the 75-inch 900E When I first got my 65-inch B6, I really enjoyed the picture quality but the size was bugging me. I wanted to fill out the wall more, and while I was at the right seating/viewing distance, I could never stop thinking about going bigger. (See pics, Darth Vader is on the 900E)

I knew there were going to be trade-offs, but overall I'm happy with my decision. It really feels like a mini movie theater in our basement!

Still dialing in the picture settings, but currently using CNET's settings (Cinema Pro). I like those settings better than rtings, but may drop the black-level setting to 49. I'm in a dim basement environment and usually watch with a little ambient light to reduce eye-strain.

This TV is bright! I've only watched SDR sources so far, but it all looks great. I do miss the blacks of the OLED, but this 900E has surprised me with it's black performance thus far.

I've only had the unit for a few days but I hope to chime in and contribute to the 900E discussion.
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Well, since no one convinced me, I just had to convince myself! I did it, I sold my 65 B6 OLED for the 75-inch 900E When I first got my 65-inch B6, I really enjoyed the picture quality but the size was bugging me. I wanted to fill out the wall more, and while I was at the right seating/viewing distance, I could never stop thinking about going bigger. (See pics, Darth Vader is on the 900E)

I knew there were going to be trade-offs, but overall I'm happy with my decision. It really feels like a mini movie theater in our basement!

Still dialing in the picture settings, but currently using CNET's settings (Cinema Pro). I like those settings better than rtings, but may drop the black-level setting to 49. I'm in a dim basement environment and usually watch with a little ambient light to reduce eye-strain.

This TV is bright! I've only watched SDR sources so far, but it all looks great. I do miss the blacks of the OLED, but this 900E has surprised me with it's black performance thus far.

I've only had the unit for a few days but I hope to chime in and contribute to the 900E discussion.
Thanks all for the replies. I was just used to my GT25 panasonic viera with THX / with calibration settings. That sony is beautiful but kinda looks like a pain to get all inputs to display the SAME settings.

My GT25 all i had to do is use one settings all inputs were affected by it. Which is dumb sony doesn't leave you that option imo.

Does anyone mind sharing their go to settings so i can try them and start from there? That would be awesome
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Well, since no one convinced me, I just had to convince myself! I did it, I sold my 65 B6 OLED for the 75-inch 900E When I first got my 65-inch B6, I really enjoyed the picture quality but the size was bugging me. I wanted to fill out the wall more, and while I was at the right seating/viewing distance, I could never stop thinking about going bigger. (See pics, Darth Vader is on the 900E)

I knew there were going to be trade-offs, but overall I'm happy with my decision. It really feels like a mini movie theater in our basement!

Still dialing in the picture settings, but currently using CNET's settings (Cinema Pro). I like those settings better than rtings, but may drop the black-level setting to 49. I'm in a dim basement environment and usually watch with a little ambient light to reduce eye-strain.

This TV is bright! I've only watched SDR sources so far, but it all looks great. I do miss the blacks of the OLED, but this 900E has surprised me with it's black performance thus far.

I've only had the unit for a few days but I hope to chime in and contribute to the 900E discussion.
The only person that SHOULD have tried convincing you, did.
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Hi Everyone- Long time lurker as I am considering upgrading my Samsung plasma to a 75" 4K TV.

I am not an expert on audio/visual, but I have tried to keep up with several threads. I have narrowed my search to the three options listed below.

- Sony 75" 900e
- Sony 75" 940e
- Sony 75" 900f

While the "f" series is new to the market, early indicators say the new panels are not a huge leap from the 900e, except for the advanced processing chip. However, the 85" size is intriguing..

The Sony 75" 900e and the Sony 75" 940e both garner fantastic reviews. However, as an avid gamer, I am concerned with the motion issues that have repeatedly been discussed on this site.

For those of you in the know, what set would you recommend? The 900e is very appealing because of the reduction in cost and the reputation for better motion. But I would not mind paying the premium for the 940e if the picture quality is significantly better, and the motion issues are not drastic.

Any insight or guidance would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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Hi Everyone- Long time lurker as I am considering upgrading my Samsung plasma to a 75" 4K TV.

I am not an expert on audio/visual, but I have tried to keep up with several threads. I have narrowed my search to the three options listed below.

- Sony 75" 900e
- Sony 75" 940e
- Sony 75" 900f

While the "f" series is new to the market, early indicators say the new panels are not a huge leap from the 900e, except for the advanced processing chip. However, the 85" size is intriguing..

The Sony 75" 900e and the Sony 75" 940e both garner fantastic reviews. However, as an avid gamer, I am concerned with the motion issues that have repeatedly been discussed on this site.

For those of you in the know, what set would you recommend? The 900e is very appealing because of the reduction in cost and the reputation for better motion. But I would not mind paying the premium for the 940e if the picture quality is significantly better, and the motion issues are not drastic.

Any insight or guidance would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
As an owner of the 940D, I have heard very little about the 940E being "better" than the D series was. And, while the size and overall quality was good, there were issues with that set that frustrated a lot of folks, including quite the panel lottery.

As an owner of the 65x900E as well, I can say that this is an excellent set overall but there are definitely some noticeable differences in the overall PQ between the 900E series TV's and the 940D (the D is slightly better, even though the panel is larger than any of the 900E TV's that I own).

I don't really do anything gaming-wise, but there is some of that going on in the house on the 940D and I've heard no complaints.

Based on the 900F being a replacement model for the 900E, I wouldn't expect that it's going to step up high enough in overall PQ to be a straight-on competitor to the 940D/940E. But, you have to make your own decisions on how important things like lag are for gaming. And I would encourage you to actually try and test the sets for gaming lag before making a decision. From what I've read on various threads, it seems that it really isn't "all about the numbers" for that piece.
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As an owner of the 940D, I have heard very little about the 940E being "better" than the D series was. And, while the size and overall quality was good, there were issues with that set that frustrated a lot of folks, including quite the panel lottery.

As an owner of the 65x900E as well, I can say that this is an excellent set overall but there are definitely some noticeable differences in the overall PQ between the 900E series TV's and the 940D (the D is slightly better, even though the panel is larger than any of the 900E TV's that I own).

I don't really do anything gaming-wise, but there is some of that going on in the house on the 940D and I've heard no complaints.

Based on the 900F being a replacement model for the 900E, I wouldn't expect that it's going to step up high enough in overall PQ to be a straight-on competitor to the 940D/940E. But, you have to make your own decisions on how important things like lag are for gaming. And I would encourage you to actually try and test the sets for gaming lag before making a decision. From what I've read on various threads, it seems that it really isn't "all about the numbers" for that piece.
Thank you for this very detailed response. The fact that you own both sets, albeit the 65" 900e, provides excellent context. I did not realize there were two different models of the 940, D and E. Are there anywhere I can go to read up on the differences between these sets?

Thanks!

EDIT- I just read that the 940E is the successor to the 940D. My apologies. Thank you!

Would the 940D be considered a high-end LED, while the 900E be considered mid-level? The definition of high-end/ mid-level may be flexible, but I would like to better understand the difference between the two.

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Thank you for this very detailed response. The fact that you own both sets, albeit the 65" 900e, provides excellent context. I did not realize there were two different models of the 940, D and E. Are there anywhere I can go to read up on the differences between these sets?

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The 940D was the larger panel version of the 930D sets. It only came as a 75" and is considered a 2016 model. The 940E is the 2017 model. The 940D was 3D compatible and is the last of the sets that Sony produced with that feature.
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