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What is the significance of it? For example, on the back of the TV, one of the HDMI ports says it's ARC.

ARC will send all audio coming into or from the TV to an amp/AVR.
For example, using ARC out, my TV sends satellite, OTA and apps audio to my AVR via HDMI.
This can simplify setups greatly.
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What’s the full procedure for installing firmware from USB ?


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What’s the full procedure for installing firmware from USB ?


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In my case, I downloaded the file to my laptop. Extracted the file via winrar, then moved the file to a flash drive. What I've learned is to not put the file into a folder. Just copy it to the root of the flash drive. The TV will then automatically detect a new update to install.

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In my case, I downloaded the file to my laptop. Extracted the file via winrar, then moved the file to a flash drive. What I've learned is to not put the file into a folder. Just copy it to the root of the flash drive. The TV will then automatically detect a new update to install.
Yes, and make sure there is nothing else on the USB thumb drive, and freshly formatted in FAT32 to ensure a trouble free installation.
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What is the significance of it? For example, on the back of the TV, one of the HDMI ports says it's ARC.
The port is significant because not only is HDMI3 capable of 4K HDR input, the ARC means it functions as an Audio Return Channel for a capable receiver or soundbar. With ARC the TV can pass almost all forms of digital audio such as DTS, Dolby Atmos, Dolby Digital and many more back to a sound system. Vastly superior to the optical digital output on the back of the TV.

I have a Yamaha receiver using ARC. I would not have it any other way -the sound quality is amazing on properly encoded videos using the TV's apps. For instance the movie Bright on Netflix has amazing surround sound. I have 2 subs and it shakes the house along with being immersive. Also the HDR is pretty good on the movie also.
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Yes, and make sure there is nothing else on the USB thumb drive, and freshly formatted in FAT32 to ensure a trouble free installation.


And how do I know my current version and by implication whether an update is necessary seeing as the TV is telling me there isn’t an update available yet but thought I would try USB. Method for the first time ?

In About section it says I’m on version 7.0 and at the bottom it says my build is BRAVIA-ATV_UC user 7.0 NRD91N.S124 1.6.0.28.58.1.00 which is clearly nothing like that on the website ( I was expecting an incremental number )

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The port is significant because not only is HDMI3 capable of 4K HDR input, the ARC means it functions as an Audio Return Channel for a capable receiver or soundbar. With ARC the TV can pass almost all forms of digital audio such as DTS, Dolby Atmos, Dolby Digital and many more back to a sound system. Vastly superior to the optical digital output on the back of the TV.
Anybody else have trouble with the TV sometimes getting confused and switching to TV speakers instead of external audio when using HDMI 3 with ARC? This happens intermittently for me and is easily fixed by going into the TV's Settings menu -> Audio and manually changing it to Audio System, but I'd rather it not get confused if possible. To clarify: I want it to always output to external audio.


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And how do I know my current version and by implication whether an update is necessary seeing as the TV is telling me there isn’t an update available yet but thought I would try USB. Method for the first time ?

In About section it says I’m on version 7.0 and at the bottom it says my build is BRAVIA-ATV_UC user 7.0 NRD91N.S124 1.6.0.28.58.1.00 which is clearly nothing like that on the website ( I was expecting an incremental number )

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The TV will state that it is up to date. When the drive is inserted into the USB port, the TV will search for an update, and if it's a new one, it will proceed to update the firmware.

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And how do I know my current version and by implication whether an update is necessary seeing as the TV is telling me there isn’t an update available yet but thought I would try USB. Method for the first time ?

In About section it says I’m on version 7.0 and at the bottom it says my build is BRAVIA-ATV_UC user 7.0 NRD91N.S124 1.6.0.28.58.1.00 which is clearly nothing like that on the website ( I was expecting an incremental number )

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Home>Help (in the bottom Settings section, not the app) — the software version number is in the upper right hand corner of the Help screen ...
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Other devices using ARC: Roku Premier +, Dish Network Hopper3



4 times in the last week when turning on the TV the sound on the TV and soundbar is at max. volume and will not turn down. To be exact using either the TV or Harmony remote the volume down goes down when pressing the volume down button but immediately returns to maximum when the button is released. A full reboot of AndroidTV using the power button on the Sony TV remote fixes the problem until the next evening when I turn on the TV after getting home from work. I checked to see if another remote might have a stuck button but this wouldn't explain why a reboot of the TV fixes it.



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The port is significant because not only is HDMI3 capable of 4K HDR input, the ARC means it functions as an Audio Return Channel for a capable receiver or soundbar. With ARC the TV can pass almost all forms of digital audio such as DTS, Dolby Atmos, Dolby Digital and many more back to a sound system. Vastly superior to the optical digital output on the back of the TV.

I have a Yamaha receiver using ARC. I would not have it any other way -the sound quality is amazing on properly encoded videos using the TV's apps. For instance the movie Bright on Netflix has amazing surround sound. I have 2 subs and it shakes the house along with being immersive. Also the HDR is pretty good on the movie also.

Why is it better than optical digital?


Can you or anyone else perhaps upload audio or video of something that goes through your Yahama receiver, and the same video through a lesser audio output? So I can hear the difference, in general.
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Does anyone have their TV wall mounted, and also have a streaming device mounted on the back of the TV?


If so, can someone post a picture of what their setup looks like? Especially the area behind the TV.


Here's what the back of my TV looks like now:


https://i.imgur.com/vbaDEc9.jpg


I bought these two wall mounts yesterday to mount a Tivo Mini behind the TV. I'm not sure if either of them will really work, with this TV and the wall mount I have in place.


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Optical cannot handle Dolby Digital Plus (EAC-3)
As a result, Atmos support from an app such as Vudu will not work. (Lossy Format)

Both Optical and ARC cannot handle Lossless Audio formats such as Dolby TrueHD/Atmos or DTSMA/DTS-X.
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Why is it better than optical digital?


If ARC works (sometimes a big if) you also get CEC which allows your TV to send control messages to your receiver/soundbar. Also depending on the TV ARC is capable of sending more advanced codecs than a digital optical connection.

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The port is significant because not only is HDMI3 capable of 4K HDR input, the ARC means it functions as an Audio Return Channel for a capable receiver or soundbar. With ARC the TV can pass almost all forms of digital audio such as DTS, Dolby Atmos, Dolby Digital and many more back to a sound system. Vastly superior to the optical digital output on the back of the TV.

I have a Yamaha receiver using ARC. I would not have it any other way -the sound quality is amazing on properly encoded videos using the TV's apps. For instance the movie Bright on Netflix has amazing surround sound. I have 2 subs and it shakes the house along with being immersive. Also the HDR is pretty good on the movie also.
The type of audio passed down the ARC channel depends on what your TV is capable of sending. Current models support 'bigger' formats (ATMOS, etc.) than older ones. My 2006 LG OLED, for example, is only capable of sending Dolby Digital 5.1 down the ARC line. Newer versions of the same set can do ATMOS and DD+. I understand some TVs can even pass Dolby TrueHD. An optical connection will usually top out at DD 5.1.

If it is important to the user, anything past DD 5.1 sent down the ARC line has to be compressed by the TV, because the current total HDMI bandwidth available can only accommodate uncompressed DD 5.1. As we move forward to the implementation of the HDMI 2.1 spec, that will change as HDMI 2.1 comes with a massive bandwidth increase. The cost of implementing HDMI 2.1 at home will have an impact, since both ends of the cable (source and destination) must support it, requiring all new hardware including having to buy new higher speed cables. Components supporting HDMI 2.1 should start dribbling out of manufacturers perhaps early next year. I suspect the January CES in Vegas will feature many 'not shipping yet' items supporting it.

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Anybody else have trouble with the TV sometimes getting confused and switching to TV speakers instead of external audio when using HDMI 3 with ARC? This happens intermittently for me and is easily fixed by going into the TV's Settings menu -> Audio and manually changing it to Audio System, but I'd rather it not get confused if possible. To clarify: I want it to always output to external audio.
I have the same problem, TV is connected to my Denon X1200W. It's also annoying for it to "automatically" switch to the amp for audio every time it's powered on. I haven't found a way to force it to only use the external audio.
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I have the same problem, TV is connected to my Denon X1200W. It's also annoying for it to "automatically" switch to the amp for audio every time it's powered on. I haven't found a way to force it to only use the external audio.
Are you powering on the AVR and TV at the same time? If yes, the AVR might not always be ready to accept the CEC/ARC signals when the TV initially sends them which can cause the TV to not "know" about the AVR. Try powering on the AVR then the TV and see if you still have this issue.

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Are you powering on the AVR and TV at the same time? If yes, the AVR might not always be ready to accept the CEC/ARC signals when the TV initially sends them which can cause the TV to not "know" about the AVR. Try powering on the AVR then the TV and see if you still have this issue.
I use a Harmony remote that has a macro that turns on the AVR first, then the TV. I think there's a way to increase the delay between turning on devices, so I'll try that if possible.


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Have you read the Google terms of service? That’s another reason why I don’t use the Google Play Store, or any apps downloaded from there, or any part of the Android TV OS I don’t have to, including Google Search. All of that info is going back to Google, including account information which can be hacked.

I’m sure my Apple TV is sending plenty of data back to Apple, but unlike Google, they say they don’t sell it, and it’s a far more secure ecosystem. Whether it is or not, at least I’m not knowingly pouring information through the internet to Google who has been exposed continuing to collect information after customers select to opt out.

It’s pretty funny for someone to embrace one smart aspect of the TV but not another based on EULA, when everything about this TV is literally sending as much information as it can gather back to big brother, whether that’s Sony or Google, not to mention any third parties supplying the apps themselves, especially when doing so adds a layer of inconvenience to the stated goal of having an otherwise simplified setup, relying on the TV providing 100% of their streaming interface and content for them.
Privacy? That went away years ago........We probably do not even want to know what really goes on out there behind closed doors.
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I use a Harmony remote that has a macro that turns on the AVR first, then the TV. I think there's a way to increase the delay between turning on devices, so I'll try that if possible.
Do you have CEC /ARC turned on between the AVR and TV? If so, then turning on the TV or AVR first may, and I stress may, send a CEC signal to turn on the other device interferring with the Harmony macro and delay. FYI, I also use a Harmony remote to control my set up, Harmony Smart Companion Hub and remote.


If you look at the Harmony Ultimate forum they almost always recommend disabling ARC/CEC if you use the Harmony remote. Problem is then you need to use an optical connection which limits what codecs can be passed to the AVR.

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Does anyone have their TV wall mounted, and also have a streaming device mounted on the back of the TV?


If so, can someone post a picture of what their setup looks like? Especially the area behind the TV.


Here's what the back of my TV looks like now:


https://i.imgur.com/vbaDEc9.jpg


I bought these two wall mounts yesterday to mount a Tivo Mini behind the TV. I'm not sure if either of them will really work, with this TV and the wall mount I have in place.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


If someone recommends a different device mount for my situation, then please link to it. Thanks.
Does it mount to the tv or to the wall behind the tv? If the tv, do you have to drill a hole for the screw? I have all of my devices on a floating shelf next to my tv. Looks nice and clean with only 1 visible bundle of wires running from the shelving unit visible.
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I want to mention that update might solved my flickering issue when watching Apple TV 4K.
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Optical cannot handle Dolby Digital Plus (EAC-3)
As a result, Atmos support from an app such as Vudu will not work. (Lossy Format)

Both Optical and ARC cannot handle Lossless Audio formats such as Dolby TrueHD/Atmos or DTSMA/DTS-X.

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Isn't the ARC a part of one of the HDMI outputs? So doesn't that mean the HDMI ARC can handle those formats, and that's why people use it (as described by these recent posts)?
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If ARC works (sometimes a big if) you also get CEC which allows your TV to send control messages to your receiver/soundbar. Also depending on the TV ARC is capable of sending more advanced codecs than a digital optical connection.
Does cable TV take advantage of these codecs?

Or is it for gaming systems and Blu Rays?
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Isn't the ARC a part of one of the HDMI outputs? So doesn't that mean the HDMI ARC can handle those formats, and that's why people use it (as described by these recent posts)?
ARC is part of the HDMI official spec, but its available bandwidth is limited to handling Dolby Digital 5.1 audio by that same spec - it can handle only so much data with HDMI 2.0 connections.

Manufacturers who want to dump more audio data down the ARC line than it currently supports must compress that data before sending it down the ARC line. I believe Vizio was first to do that, then others followed. Some people are OK with that, and some are not.
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Does it mount to the tv or to the wall behind the tv? If the tv, do you have to drill a hole for the screw? I have all of my devices on a floating shelf next to my tv. Looks nice and clean with only 1 visible bundle of wires running from the shelving unit visible.
I think both of them mount to the TV, behind the TV.

Here are pics, under "Customer Images":

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ustomerReviews

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ustomerReviews

Will either of them work with my current wall mount situation?

Or do you recommend a different solution? If so, can you link to what you recommend?

I can still remove these items from my order, as they won't be shipped for a few days.

I do not have any space to the left or right of my TV. So whatever I do, it has to be mounted behind, above, or below the TV.

Whether it's behind directly attached to the TV, or behind the wall area behind the TV, either could work.

Here's the pic of the setup again. It's a little outdated now, as I have an HDMI cable coming from the wall into HDMI 1, from a HDMI extender that starts from downstairs, into upstairs to the Sony.

So just imagine that, with one more HDMI cable and a USB extender, behind the TV.

https://i.imgur.com/vbaDEc9.jpg

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Does cable TV take advantage of these codecs?

Or is it for gaming systems and Blu Rays?

Per spec Digital Optical cannot handle 5.1 which some cable companies and both Dish and DirecTV support.

This is a good and recent primer on digital optical support: https://www.lifewire.com/digital-opt...ection-1846881

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ARC is part of the HDMI official spec, but its available bandwidth is limited to handling Dolby Digital 5.1 audio by that same spec - it can handle only so much data with HDMI 2.0 connections.

Manufacturers who want to dump more audio data down the ARC line than it currently supports must compress that data before sending it down the ARC line. I believe Vizio was first to do that, then others followed. Some people are OK with that, and some are not.
So then what do people who don't want the data to be compressed, do?

I was under the impression, from the posts since yesterday, that ARC was the preferred way since it allowed all audio to go to an external receiver. So I thought this was the "best" way, from these recent posts.
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Per spec Digital Optical cannot handle 5.1 which some cable companies and both Dish and DirecTV support.

This is a good and recent primer on digital optical support: https://www.lifewire.com/digital-opt...ection-1846881
Thanks. I read the article.

So, in summary, if I had the right audio equipment, I could be getting better audio even when watching cable TV, because some cable companies transmit better audio.

Right?
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