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I have the 900E, so can't speak to the DV implementation on Sonys, but I also have the LG 65E6 OLED, and even though its DV implementation is somewhat limited compared to later models, it's still quite spectacular when the content was shot, edited, and encoded properly, even at its paltry 650 nits.

As with most content, 'garbage in garbage out' applies to HDR material, regardless of its encoding format. If the footage is shot and/or edited and/or encoded by people who don't know or don't care what they're doing, the result will be sub-optimal.
***Understood. But I haven't seen ANYTHING in DV on my Sony 900F that looks better than plain old HDR. I doubt I'll ever own a OLED as there are major issues with banding, tinting and motion per many AVS Forums. Plus the significant price differential on larger 75" screens and above. I couldn't live with the constant "comp cycles" folks talk about and appearance & disappearance of banding with OLED sets. At least my old Samsung 65" LCD was consistent with its banding - - especially for golf and sky shots. Talk about ruining a party. Banding is the number one "picture killer" in my book.

My major observation is that DV is a total washout and Sony's implementation, at least from what I've seen on the 900F, is god awful dark and not worth the juice from the squeeze. Rejoice and enjoy Sony 900E owners (including me.) You're doing just fine without DV.
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Need settings for HDR, watched a Flick this evening, Pic was only OK not WOW OK!
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Is it just me or is Netflix hdr super dark compared to iTunes hdr
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Is it just me or is Netflix hdr super dark compared to iTunes hdr


Netflix HDR isn’t dark for me. Amazon Prime Video HDR is
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Netflix HDR sucks. Period. On "The Ranch", I have to completely disable HDR because I can't even see the picture.
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Netflix HDR sucks. Period. On "The Ranch", I have to completely disable HDR because I can't even see the picture.
***I can say that I've never noticed a problem with Netflix HDR on my Sony 900E or Sony 900F. Surprising to me. Dolby Vision on my Sony 900F? Very dark (native Netflix app) compared to the HDR version with my Roku Ultra.

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Netflix HDR sucks. Period. On "The Ranch", I have to completely disable HDR because I can't even see the picture.
***I can say that I've never noticed a problem with Netflix HDR on my Sony 900E or Sony 900F. Surprising to me. Dolby Vision on my Sony 900F? Very dark (native Netflix app) compared to the HDR version with my Roku Ultra.
900E and 940D are both terrible with built in app. Better with a Fire Stick, but still not very good.
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Need settings for HDR, watched a Flick this evening, Pic was only OK not WOW OK!

I'm looking for the best setting for HDR too. I watched The Martian in 4K HDR (disk on Xbox) and it was sharp and had high contrast (on the brightest areas), but the dark areas were too dark even though the brightness is set to max by default for HDR. I like 4K, but I'm thinking of turning off HDR just so I can see everything in the dark areas. Not impressed.


Also, is any 4K (HDR or not) audio in DTSHD-MA, or are they all Dolby TrueHD? I don't care about Atmos (for rich people, not me). I've always liked the sound of DTS better than DD when it's decoded by my 5.1 sound bar.
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I posted this awhile ago but here's my setting for 4k HDR Blue Rays Only. These settings help me with the dark scenes in HDR. Gives a little more pop but without over saturating everything.
Again 4k blue Ray's only. These settings dont work for streaming.


Picture mode: cinema pro
Brightness:Max HDR
Color: 50
Contrast: 90
Gamma:0
Black level: 50
Black adjust:medium
Adv contrast:medium
Auto local dimming: High
X tened Dyamic Range High
Color Temp Warm
Live color medium
Reality creation Auto
Video options all on auto.
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900E and 940D are both terrible with built in app. Better with a Fire Stick, but still not very good.
Netflix on mine looks pretty good relative to the performance I get from UHD BRs on my X800 player, and it's definitely better looking than streaming through the player. X800 is noticeably better with discs of course but I haven't felt like the 900E was out of expectation, so if a streaming device makes that big of a difference then perhaps I should look into picking one up.
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I'm looking for the best setting for HDR too. I watched The Martian in 4K HDR (disk on Xbox) and it was sharp and had high contrast (on the brightest areas), but the dark areas were too dark even though the brightness is set to max by default for HDR. I like 4K, but I'm thinking of turning off HDR just so I can see everything in the dark areas. Not impressed.


Also, is any 4K (HDR or not) audio in DTSHD-MA, or are they all Dolby TrueHD? I don't care about Atmos (for rich people, not me). I've always liked the sound of DTS better than DD when it's decoded by my 5.1 sound bar.
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I posted this awhile ago but here's my setting for 4k HDR Blue Rays Only. These settings help me with the dark scenes in HDR. Gives a little more pop but without over saturating everything.
Again 4k blue Ray's only. These settings dont work for streaming.


Picture mode: cinema pro
Brightness:Max HDR
Color: 50
Contrast: 90
Gamma:0
Black level: 50
Black adjust:medium
Adv contrast:medium
Auto local dimming: High
X tened Dyamic Range High
Color Temp Warm
Live color medium
Reality creation Auto
Video options all on auto.
Founds these setting to work well for everything...


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Also re HDR settings...read elsewhere to make sure if you have the option on your 4K player that "Deep Color" is set to on, so it can send out higher than 8 bit content. Which is needed to properly show the wider color gamut with HDR.
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All The Money In The World. It was one of the Free HDR movies for the Sony/Google Play TV, I'm guessing it must have been included when I purchased the set or it was part of the software update??
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How do you PERMANENTLY remove the "Sony Select" channels on the home screen? I go into "customize channels" and turn off "Sony Select" channels, only to have them suddenly re-appear at a random time in the near future. Thnanks
I have the same issue.

Does anyone have a resolution?

Biggest annoyance about this is that it shows Netflix as the first option under Sony Select, so the TV starts blaring a preview of whatever Netflix movie is on in the Sony Select bar, as soon as I start Android TV.

I've tried deleting, clearing Sony Select cache in apps, Force Stop, removing each item in Sony Select manually - NADDA.

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I have the same issue.

Does anyone have a resolution?

Biggest annoyance about this is that it shows Netflix as the first option under Sony Select, so the TV starts blaring a preview of whatever Netflix movie is on in the Sony Select bar, as soon as I start Android TV.

I've tried deleting, clearing Sony Select cache in apps, Force Stop, removing each item in Sony Select manually - NADDA.

VERY ANNOYING.
Mark, we cannot be alone on this. Hopefully someone will respond with a solution. Lord knows, I haven't found it yet. Only started after the last software update, so something in there is the cause.
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Never use your Sony for anything but as a monitor.Plug cable box into one input and Roku or Apple TV into another and never bring up Sony menus. Ive been using it this way for two years.No firmware updates to concern me. I love this tv.


Actually if you plug everything into a receiver and into one input on tv you free yourself up even more from the android mess. Everytime you turn on tv it goes to your chosen receiver input and you change your devices using your receiver.

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Matt, my Sony's on-board Netflix and Prime Video apps are fantastic, so I go to the "home" page quite often and will continue to do so, so I want to get rid of those Sony Select channels, pronto, forever. Anyone figured out how to do that yet?
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Decided to finally bite the bullet and do the upgrade. I see zero difference in the responsiveness of the TV when using the menus and such. I will experiment more as I'm looking to dump the FireSticks and revert back to the few apps that I use which are all available built-in.
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Still on pre OREO firmware on my X900E. Any picture quality improvements that make the latest firmware (6.6520) worthwhile?
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never use your sony for anything but as a monitor.plug cable box into one input and roku or apple tv into another and never bring up sony menus. Ive been using it this way for two years.no firmware updates to concern me. I love this tv.


Actually if you plug everything into a receiver and into one input on tv you free yourself up even more from the android mess. Everytime you turn on tv it goes to your chosen receiver input and you change your devices using your receiver.
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Still on pre OREO firmware on my X900E. Any picture quality improvements that make the latest firmware (6.6520) worthwhile?
I'm not going to lie. I turned off updates. Every update seems to spawn issues. If you are not trying to solve an issue I would leave it alone until you have to update for a reason.
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I'm not going to lie. I turned off updates. Every update seems to spawn issues. If you are not trying to solve an issue I would leave it alone until you have to update for a reason.
Avoid the latest update; has caused me many headaches: automatic restarts, breaking HDMI connection with AppleTV4K; losing sound settings; ugh...
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I have the same issue.

Does anyone have a resolution?

Biggest annoyance about this is that it shows Netflix as the first option under Sony Select, so the TV starts blaring a preview of whatever Netflix movie is on in the Sony Select bar, as soon as I start Android TV.

I've tried deleting, clearing Sony Select cache in apps, Force Stop, removing each item in Sony Select manually - NADDA.

VERY ANNOYING.
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Mark, we cannot be alone on this. Hopefully someone will respond with a solution. Lord knows, I haven't found it yet. Only started after the last software update, so something in there is the cause.
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Matt, my Sony's on-board Netflix and Prime Video apps are fantastic, so I go to the "home" page quite often and will continue to do so, so I want to get rid of those Sony Select channels, pronto, forever. Anyone figured out how to do that yet?
While I can't say for sure specifically how I achieved it I don't have this issue at all after going through and disabling pretty much everything except the few apps that are used on my computer (Netflix, Amazon, YT). I also revoked permissions for most everything though that would seem to not matter if apps are manually shut down AND I did not agree to Sony's privacy policy.

This page may be of assistance:

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/sony-tv...w-5605-11.html
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Never use your Sony for anything but as a monitor.Plug cable box into one input and Roku or Apple TV into another and never bring up Sony menus. Ive been using it this way for two years.No firmware updates to concern me. I love this tv.


Actually if you plug everything into a receiver and into one input on tv you free yourself up even more from the android mess. Everytime you turn on tv it goes to your chosen receiver input and you change your devices using your receiver.

What about the OTA guide? You know, the part of the TV (the RF tuner thingy) that makes it not a video monitor.
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Never use your Sony for anything but as a monitor.Plug cable box into one input and Roku or Apple TV into another and never bring up Sony menus. Ive been using it this way for two years.No firmware updates to concern me. I love this tv.


Actually if you plug everything into a receiver and into one input on tv you free yourself up even more from the android mess. Everytime you turn on tv it goes to your chosen receiver input and you change your devices using your receiver.
While the concept is great, there is one major flaw to this method...

Streaming devices pretty much universally do not afford you the opportunity to pass content through to the TV in native format. Everything upscales the content to the max quality that is supported between the device and the TV - in some cases, 1080 and in others 4K. Most of the streaming devices out there have inferior upscaling technology compared to what the TV can do natively and the overall picture quality is WORSE via a streaming device than it is when using built-in apps in the TV itself.

Cases in point:

Amazon Fire Stick 4K: Streaming of 480 content via the Plex app off of my local server is significantly poorer and borderline unwatchable compared to using the in-built app. Streaming of 720 content is noticeably poorer, but still generally watchable. The step from 1080 to 4K is "small" and you have to look close to see the deficiency. For 720 and 1080, this holds true for streaming content from online providers as well.

Amazon Fire Stick (non-4K): All of the same issues as the 4K stick, but surprisingly not as bad. I suspect that the upscaling to 4K is the real problem for this device and upscaling to 1080 is something it's generally better at overall. Since the TV still does an excellent job from 1080 to 4K, the end result isn't "as bad."

I've gotten similar quality issues when watching shows OTA using the HDHomeRun app native to the TV versus through the Fire Stick. If the show is 1080, hard to notice a difference. As the broadcast signal quality drops, the delta between the streaming device upscaling the content and the TV doing it natively gets wider (TV wins every time).

Any streaming device that supports passing content through in its native format doesn't have this issue (like BD player). As much as I would love to be able to use the TV as only a monitor, the loss in PQ from using a streaming device negates the option of doing it. Until I find a streaming device that allows me to pass all content through in native form, I'm using the built-in apps for Netflix, HDHomeRun, and Plex. I don't watch content from other sources but rarely (there is exactly ONE show on Amazon that I watch when it moves over for the current season to be streamed), so these do everything I need.

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What about the OTA guide? You know, the part of the TV (the RF tuner thingy) that makes it not a video monitor.
You're kind of splitting hairs here...The OTA guide is either present or not, based on the provider/tower. Decoding the content (like this set can do) to overlay it on the screen really has absolutely nothing to do with PQ which is what the real intent of the statement is about.
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Never use your Sony for anything but as a monitor.Plug cable box into one input and Roku or Apple TV into another and never bring up Sony menus. Ive been using it this way for two years.No firmware updates to concern me. I love this tv.


Actually if you plug everything into a receiver and into one input on tv you free yourself up even more from the android mess. Everytime you turn on tv it goes to your chosen receiver input and you change your devices using your receiver.
I’ve been using an Apple TV ever since I got the tv from day one I notice how slow the tv interface was

I still have to change inputs , can anybody recommend a hdmi switch with 5 ports (not including the out) that supports 4k hdr no compromises like port 2 & 3 on the tv

It also has to be automatic, be able to switch inputs on its own when it detects a signal

A receiver is way too much money and I only use a soundbar
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While the concept is great, there is one major flaw to this method...

Streaming devices pretty much universally do not afford you the opportunity to pass content through to the TV in native format. Everything upscales the content to the max quality that is supported between the device and the TV - in some cases, 1080 and in others 4K. Most of the streaming devices out there have inferior upscaling technology compared to what the TV can do natively and the overall picture quality is WORSE via a streaming device than it is when using built-in apps in the TV itself.

Cases in point:

Amazon Fire Stick 4K: Streaming of 480 content via the Plex app off of my local server is significantly poorer and borderline unwatchable compared to using the in-built app. Streaming of 720 content is noticeably poorer, but still generally watchable. The step from 1080 to 4K is "small" and you have to look close to see the deficiency. For 720 and 1080, this holds true for streaming content from online providers as well.

Amazon Fire Stick (non-4K): All of the same issues as the 4K stick, but surprisingly not as bad. I suspect that the upscaling to 4K is the real problem for this device and upscaling to 1080 is something it's generally better at overall. Since the TV still does an excellent job from 1080 to 4K, the end result isn't "as bad."

I've gotten similar quality issues when watching shows OTA using the HDHomeRun app native to the TV versus through the Fire Stick. If the show is 1080, hard to notice a difference. As the broadcast signal quality drops, the delta between the streaming device upscaling the content and the TV doing it natively gets wider (TV wins every time).

Any streaming device that supports passing content through in its native format doesn't have this issue (like BD player). As much as I would love to be able to use the TV as only a monitor, the loss in PQ from using a streaming device negates the option of doing it. Until I find a streaming device that allows me to pass all content through in native form, I'm using the built-in apps for Netflix, HDHomeRun, and Plex. I don't watch content from other sources but rarely (there is exactly ONE show on Amazon that I watch when it moves over for the current season to be streamed), so these do everything I need.



You're kind of splitting hairs here...The OTA guide is either present or not, based on the provider/tower. Decoding the content (like this set can do) to overlay it on the screen really has absolutely nothing to do with PQ which is what the real intent of the statement is about.
FWIW you can't use the OTA guide on the 900E unless you agree to Sony's privacy policy, which makes zero practical sense.
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While the concept is great, there is one major flaw to this method...

Streaming devices pretty much universally do not afford you the opportunity to pass content through to the TV in native format. Everything upscales the content to the max quality that is supported between the device and the TV - in some cases, 1080 and in others 4K. Most of the streaming devices out there have inferior upscaling technology compared to what the TV can do natively and the overall picture quality is WORSE via a streaming device than it is when using built-in apps in the TV itself.

Cases in point:

Amazon Fire Stick 4K: Streaming of 480 content via the Plex app off of my local server is significantly poorer and borderline unwatchable compared to using the in-built app. Streaming of 720 content is noticeably poorer, but still generally watchable. The step from 1080 to 4K is "small" and you have to look close to see the deficiency. For 720 and 1080, this holds true for streaming content from online providers as well.

Amazon Fire Stick (non-4K): All of the same issues as the 4K stick, but surprisingly not as bad. I suspect that the upscaling to 4K is the real problem for this device and upscaling to 1080 is something it's generally better at overall. Since the TV still does an excellent job from 1080 to 4K, the end result isn't "as bad."

I've gotten similar quality issues when watching shows OTA using the HDHomeRun app native to the TV versus through the Fire Stick. If the show is 1080, hard to notice a difference. As the broadcast signal quality drops, the delta between the streaming device upscaling the content and the TV doing it natively gets wider (TV wins every time).

Any streaming device that supports passing content through in its native format doesn't have this issue (like BD player). As much as I would love to be able to use the TV as only a monitor, the loss in PQ from using a streaming device negates the option of doing it. Until I find a streaming device that allows me to pass all content through in native form, I'm using the built-in apps for Netflix, HDHomeRun, and Plex. I don't watch content from other sources but rarely (there is exactly ONE show on Amazon that I watch when it moves over for the current season to be streamed), so these do everything I need.



You're kind of splitting hairs here...The OTA guide is either present or not, based on the provider/tower. Decoding the content (like this set can do) to overlay it on the screen really has absolutely nothing to do with PQ which is what the real intent of the statement is about.

You made the 'real intent' of the statement about PQ. I was responding to the statement of not using the Sony menus because of the annoyance of the 'Sony Select' channel and someone added a statement about switching inputs with an AVR only. I was saying that if you use the 900E as a 'monitor' to avoid the interface you would miss out on the part that makes it a TV in the first place. You have to switch inputs on the TV to access the Guide and RF channels. Talk about splitting hairs, I've never seen a difference when using the 'native' (I'm assuming you mean Android TV apps installed on the TV) apps compared to set top boxes in terms of PQ. Isn't all 480 content borderline unwatchable on a 4K TV regardless of the upscale algorithm?
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You made the 'real intent' of the statement about PQ. I was responding to the statement of not using the Sony menus because of the annoyance of the 'Sony Select' channel and someone added a statement about switching inputs with an AVR only. I was saying that if you use the 900E as a 'monitor' to avoid the interface you would miss out on the part that makes it a TV in the first place. You have to switch inputs on the TV to access the Guide and RF channels. Talk about splitting hairs, I've never seen a difference when using the 'native' (I'm assuming you mean Android TV apps installed on the TV) apps compared to set top boxes in terms of PQ. Isn't all 480 content borderline unwatchable on a 4K TV regardless of the upscale algorithm?
True, you didn't comment about PQ. Bit of an error on my part to have filled that in for you. You were focusing on one very specific function, though - one that I never use. I simply add the apps to my favorites and pull up what I need instantly with the "Discover" button on the remote.

As to the 480 content, I have a number of TV Series that were only ever broadcast in 480 and I have the complete collections ripped from DVD to my media server. Watching using the native Plex app they are quite fine. Watching using a 4K Fire Stick, they are heavily pixelated from the massively inferior upscaling that the Fire Stick does to 4K. Watching using a non-4K Fire Stick is at least "ok" since the stick upscales only to 1080 and does that "well enough."

Set top boxes are a different animal as many of them allow for native resolution to be passed through to the TV and the TV allowed to do all of the upscaling. These kinds of settings were actually discussed in a bit of detail at least on the thread for the 940D because it made SUCH a difference.
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