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McBlundersnuggle 03-06-2017 07:10 AM

2017 Sony XBR 900E owners thread (No Price Talk)
 
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On Saturday I took delivery of an XBR65X900E. I like it so far, but my wife says it is too bright. We came from a 2007 46in Toshiba Regza LX177. I had to look up the date and model number on the back when we moved it on Saturday. My 6YO has mostly figured out the Android TV interface having come from Amazon Fire TV (it took like 10 minutes), but my wife has not tried yet and is a little apprehensive.

There has been some information I have found which was saying there is alot of display bloom, but I don't really see much display driven blooming. Some images do show a bloomed haze around a light at night, and others do not show a bloomed haze around lights at night, I think its haze in the air within the recorded image scene driving the blooming in a few cases.

HDR is pretty nice. We watched an episode of Blacklist last night and there was a scene where they showed a city view in Paris shot from above with a drone (or helicopter), and the range of color from bright street lights to whites on marble buildings to bright sky to dark shadowed streets was pretty impressive. Blacklist was a 1080 recording and it looked good with the upscaling. Watched episode 1 of Grand Tour in 4k, and it was also pretty impressive. Maybe this is how all 4k HDR TVs are though, and I'm just naive.

At one point when I was setting it up, my wife got bored and started watching Chicago PD on our old TV via PS Vue. Once I got the 900E set up, I played the same episode of Chicago PD and fast forwarded so the two image streams lined up within about one second of delay. From old 1080 to the new 1080 signal upscaled, there is quite a difference in detail. My wife did not like it at first, but she is thinking the old TV is how it should of looked because that is how it did look for the last 10 years.

I plan to run the zone test and some pictures. I see there is another user who has the 55 inch version, hopefully there will be more information rolling in soon on the other models. Sorry my initial pictures are pretty lousy, I'll be taking more tonight and this week.

Gillietalls 03-06-2017 07:14 AM

Congrats, sir! Enjoy your new set.

csrini1 03-06-2017 07:15 AM

Congrats snuggle

csrini1 03-06-2017 07:18 AM

Also can you post the screenshot of hardware screen from kodi app =>system=>system info=> hardware.

vipergts2207 03-06-2017 07:27 AM

I ordered the 55X900E model from Abt on Saturday and should have it by the end of the week or early next week. Pretty excited, as I'm also upgrading from a pretty old TV myself, a Sony KDL-37XBR6. Pretty impressed with the thing, as it's almost 9 years old and had been moved many times throughout my college years and it still works like new.

4Kbeyond 03-06-2017 07:36 AM


McBlundersnuggle 03-06-2017 07:38 AM

Please take note, I am a casual user, I am not a videophile. It is very likely that I am easily impressed, so please take that into account.

There is a review of the 65in 900E which I copied the link from in the other thread:
https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...v-review.13437

It says only 20 dimming zones, which seems disappointing, but honestly, from the two days we have used it (and arguably only about 4 hours of total TV watching), I cannot see any poorer image due to having only 20 zones.

The review is correct about the remote control though, it mostly does suck. If I can buy a good aftermarket Bluetooth remote, I probably will.

vipergts2207 03-06-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by McBlundersnuggle (Post 51278009)
Please take note, I am a casual user, I am not a videophile. It is very likely that I am easily impressed, so please take that into account.

There is a review of the 65in 900E which I copied the link from in the other thread:
https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...v-review.13437

It says only 20 dimming zones, which seems disappointing, but honestly, from the two days we have used it (and arguably only about 4 hours of total TV watching), I cannot see any poorer image due to having only 20 zones.

The review is correct about the remote control though, it mostly does suck. If I can buy a good aftermarket Bluetooth remote, I probably will.

That's weird, @gamer113 counted 42 in the 55".

McBlundersnuggle 03-06-2017 07:52 AM

When I do the backlight count, what am I supposed to look for to count the number of backlights? I believe I am supposed to look for the number of blooming transitions from one LED turning off to the next LED turning on, as shown in the 55in 900E video posted on Youtube by gamer113. However, is that correct? I can run the test and record it, but I want to make it as accurate as possible, and I am not 100% positive on what to look for.

Regarding the Kodi system info, can do that as well, I installed Kodi yesterday. Also need to figure out how to look up the Android builds and also how to un-install the Direct Ready apk, which is protected as a system app.

dominica 03-06-2017 09:07 AM

After watching and reading the AVforoums review. I am surprised and impressed how they used such a small count and manged to get a bright and good picture.

https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...v-review.13437

" XE90 could deliver a very good peak brightness of 936 nits on a 10% window but it could also deliver an HDR experience without the bright edges often seen with edge-lit LED TVs. When watching letterboxed films the black bars remained black, even when there was a high contrast image on the screen."



Congrats McBlundersnuggle on the new TV. Enjoy

gamer113 03-06-2017 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by McBlundersnuggle (Post 51278449)
When I do the backlight count, what am I supposed to look for to count the number of backlights? I believe I am supposed to look for the number of blooming transitions from one LED turning off to the next LED turning on, as shown in the 55in 900E video posted on Youtube by gamer113. However, is that correct? I can run the test and record it, but I want to make it as accurate as possible, and I am not 100% positive on what to look for.

Regarding the Kodi system info, can do that as well, I installed Kodi yesterday. Also need to figure out how to look up the Android builds and also how to un-install the Direct Ready apk, which is protected as a system app.


I counted more than 20 when I counted the transitions

8mile13 03-06-2017 11:20 AM

^^When the 65'' has 20 zones the 55'' will most likely have lesser zones..like 15 or so. You should do another count (since we do not know how much zones the 55'' has at this point).

mithras1 03-06-2017 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 8mile13 (Post 51285121)
^^When the 65'' has 20 zones the 55'' will most likely have lesser zones..like 15 or so. You should do another count (since we do not know how much zones the 55'' has at this point).

;) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lcd-flat-panel-displays/2770369-sony-930e-900e-questions.html#post51270137 ;)
Might be 5 horizontal (/across) and 4 vertical (/down)

McBlundersnuggle 03-06-2017 01:18 PM

I've watched that video a bunch of times now. I can count 6 horizontal at the bottom, but at the top horizontal it becomes hard to see at the top right corner. Granted, by the time the white dot is to the spot where I can't tell anymore, I'm already at 5. I also got vertical of 7. It would be nice the the AVForum reviewer posted a video, otherwise this debate will probably go on for a long time.

vipergts2207 03-06-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by McBlundersnuggle (Post 51288569)
I've watched that video a bunch of times now. I can count 6 horizontal at the bottom, but at the top horizontal it becomes hard to see at the top right corner. Granted, by the time the white dot is to the spot where I can't tell anymore, I'm already at 5. I also got vertical of 7. It would be nice the the AVForum reviewer posted a video, otherwise this debate will probably go on for a long time.

That's the same number gamer113 got. Kind of weird, as I would've expected more horizontal zones than vertical zones so that they're more square.

Mocro Issy 03-06-2017 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by McBlundersnuggle (Post 51288569)
I've watched that video a bunch of times now. I can count 6 horizontal at the bottom, but at the top horizontal it becomes hard to see at the top right corner. Granted, by the time the white dot is to the spot where I can't tell anymore, I'm already at 5. I also got vertical of 7. It would be nice the the AVForum reviewer posted a video, otherwise this debate will probably go on for a long time.

i ques between 32 and 42 zones. i counted at least 6 on the bodem (from left to right) and somewhat 7 ( atleast 6!) from top to bodem
so lets say 6x6=36 Zones but could be (1 row) more.. which is logical the becouse tv's are square and not rectangular

Mocro Issy 03-06-2017 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mocro Issy (Post 51289145)
i ques between 32 and 42 zones. i counted at least 6 on the bodem (from left to right) and somewhat 7 ( atleast 6!) from top to bodem
so lets say 6x6=36 Zones but could be (1 row) more.. which is logical the becouse tv's are square and not rectangular

i cant change my post but i meant tv's are rectangulair and not square offcourse:)

mithras1 03-06-2017 01:38 PM

It's only at 3 when it passes the Sony logo and indeed it doesn't make sense the have more vertical than horizontal zones.
I didn't even watch the first video and that one is even more clear: 5 horizontal and 4 vertical

McBlundersnuggle 03-06-2017 01:39 PM

Personally I would not be surprised if there are more rows than columns. I suspect that image intensity changes more as you look upwards along a column through the horizon, than it would change if you pan side to side across a given row. Granted, there will be exceptions, but I suspect this is the largest use case scenario, and why there could be more vertical zones than horizontal. Granted, I can also be wrong. :)

Mocro Issy 03-06-2017 01:54 PM

this wont be an issue (for me atleast) for watching movies or any digital channel on this set, this so called "blooming" only occures in very extremly rare situations in combination in a dark room. I have experienced this kind of blooming with my previous TV (55UH8500) and that tv has even less Zones (8 or 16 lol) and there is absolutly nothing to worry about, you can fully eliminate this by playing arround with the local dimming options

mithras1 03-06-2017 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by McBlundersnuggle (Post 51288569)
I've watched that video a bunch of times now. I can count 6 horizontal at the bottom, but at the top horizontal it becomes hard to see at the top right corner. Granted, by the time the white dot is to the spot where I can't tell anymore, I'm already at 5. I also got vertical of 7. It would be nice the the AVForum reviewer posted a video, otherwise this debate will probably go on for a long time.

So I asked the reviewer and he also counted 5 across and 4 down using a test video from Youtube (I'll presume the same AVS one)

McBlundersnuggle 03-07-2017 08:25 AM

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I ran the AVS test last night, and it does have a 5 wide zone array, but I disagree on the 4 down. I took some videos, and a couple with the camera set up to primarily measure the vertical zones. I think there are more than 4 vertical zones, but I suspect my opinion will be questioned, and frankly the results are confusing because the zones at the top appear to be taller than the zones at the bottom, and the zones at the bottom appear to be very short. I think I am counting 7 or 8 vertical. Explain to me what I am missing. I will make a Youtube account and put the videos on.

For the horizontal, what was happening when I was counting 6 was:
1) zone 1 turned on (left most, 1 zone cumulative)
2) zone 1 on, zone 2 on (2 zones cumulative)
3) zone 1 off, zone 2 on (2 zones cumulative)
4) zone 2 on, zone 3 on (3 zones cumulative)
5) zone 2 off, zone 3 on (3 zones cumulative)
6) zone 3 on, zone 4 on (4 zones cumulative)
7) zone 3 off, zone 4 on (4 zones cumulative)
8) zone 4 on, zone 5 on (5 zones cumulative)
9) zone 4 off, zone 5 on (5 zones cumulative, but I was counting zone 5 a second time)
So, 5 zones horizontal.

For the Kodi system info, images are attached.

McBlundersnuggle 03-07-2017 09:19 AM


MCaugusto 03-07-2017 02:10 PM

Why are you guys so unsure about the number of dimming zones in the XBR75X900E being only 20, as reported by www.avforums.com, when they also found 646 dimming zones in the XBR65XZ9D and 96 dimming zones in the XBR75X940D, numbers widely accepted and re-confirmed by others ?

As long as the FALD does its job properly and unobtrusively, that's what counts.
However, i agree with all of you : the more dimming zones + best FALD implementation > the happier i am and the better the picture should be !

mithras1 03-07-2017 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MCaugusto (Post 51319121)
Why are you guys so unsure about the number of dimming zones in the XBR75X900E being only 20, as reported by www.avforums.com, when they also found 646 dimming zones in the XBR65XZ9D and 96 dimming zones in the XBR75X940D, numbers widely accepted and re-confirmed by others ? But if you say 646 was the correct number then I guess that adds a little more weight to the AVF count :D.

As long as the FALD does its job properly and unobtrusively, that's what counts.
However, i agree with all of you : the more dimming zones + best FALD implementation > the happier i am and the better the picture should be !

I have seen zone count differences between 'respected' reviewers in the past so I guess errors happen from time to time. AVF have 34x19 = 646 whilst HDTV Test have 36x18 for 648 both for the 65" model, just to give one example.

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Originally Posted by McBlundersnuggle (Post 51308033)
I ran the AVS test last night, and it does have a 5 wide zone array, but I disagree on the 4 down. I took some videos, and a couple with the camera set up to primarily measure the vertical zones. I think there are more than 4 vertical zones, but I suspect my opinion will be questioned, and frankly the results are confusing because the zones at the top appear to be taller than the zones at the bottom, and the zones at the bottom appear to be very short. I think I am counting 7 or 8 vertical. Explain to me what I am missing. I will make a Youtube account and put the videos on.

I definitely agree it is tricky, I counted 6 myself the first time on the one from an angle and also something like 7 vertically (maybe 8 now :rolleyes:). But in this video from the front I only counted 4 vertically Can you make one from this angle? (on yours I also count 8 or even 9 and that would also explain the abillity to keep the black bars dark which I can't really picture with 4). I'll post your side vid and perhaps it will even be ammended in the review if he agrees there are more :cool:.
But looking at the head on video and seeing the whole bottom illuminated on the instruction screen (almost covering a quarter of the screen) when the text is quite far from the bottom 4 is looking more and more correct?

McBlundersnuggle 03-07-2017 02:20 PM

I'm not really as worried about it as I may appear, I just want to know how to correctly measure the zones. My data does not appear to match or make sense compared to the accepted data.

ray0414 03-07-2017 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MCaugusto (Post 51319121)
Why are you guys so unsure about the number of dimming zones in the XBR75X900E being only 20, as reported by www.avforums.com, when they also found 646 dimming zones in the XBR65XZ9D and 96 dimming zones in the XBR75X940D, numbers widely accepted and re-confirmed by others ?

As long as the FALD does its job properly and unobtrusively, that's what counts.
However, i agree with all of you : the more dimming zones + best FALD implementation > the happier i am and the better the picture should be !



Did you mean 65inch 900e? Not seeing a review of the 75nch version.

MCaugusto 03-07-2017 03:41 PM

Sorry for the mistake in the set's size, but i imagine being able to count exactly the number of dimming zones used in the XBR75X-Z9D as being exactly either 646 or 648 FALD zones would be very difficult and besides a difference of only 2 LEDs would be trivial insofar as its performance is concerned.

mithras1 03-07-2017 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MCaugusto (Post 51321513)
Sorry for the mistake in the set's size, but i imagine being able to count exactly the number of dimming zones used in the XBR75X-Z9D as being exactly either 646 or 648 FALD zones would be very difficult and besides a difference of only 2 LEDs would be trivial insofar as its performance is concerned.

I'm sure they didn't count individual LED's (obviously) so that it ended up 2 apart was merely a coincidence ;).But you're off by 2 entire zones (646 or 648 is not the point, it's the 34 vs 36 when you can take all the time in the world. If they both had 18 vertically we'd be talking about 36 'zones' instead of 2 and these figures go around the world). I'm sure I can find another example on a far less extreme zone count ... (I can already remember a Panasonic with only 24 zones or thereabouts that got different zone counts in different reviews).

8mile13 03-07-2017 04:31 PM

In general reviewers are right about the zones. Only in rare cases they are wrong. In the ZD9 each LED is a zone which makes it more difficult to get the count right. That TV is not a good example anyway since 99% of FALDs have traditional zones (with a number of LEDs in each zone).


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