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So I'm looking for a tv for black friday and I'm between a 65 lg c8 oled or the 75 940e. I noticed bestbuy still has some in stock on their website and was wondering what you guys think about it. I don't know much about this tv, could you guys give me a list of the main issues this tv has to look out for? Is it a good idea to purchase it since they're not making any new ones or do they not really have too many issues to worry about returning/replacing it?

My only experience with a FALD is a 2015 Vizio M series and the biggest issue I notice is when LD is engaged the entire screen fluctuates in brightness on certain scenes, does the 940e do this? That'd be a dealbreaker for me, 'cause it very distracting. I also notice the vizio is splotchy (dse?) with a uniform dark background but i don't really notice it in content I think or in brighter scenes. How is the 940e in this regard? Thanks in advance
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https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x940e
This is worth reading.
940E retains the highest movie rating of all TV's made to date.
Samsung continues to have trouble implementing local dimming.
Uniformity issues seem to be an issue with LCD's and less so with current crop of OLED's.
You have to balance that against the limited full screen brightness of OLED.
Sony has the best implementation of Local Dimming - you will not see it working.
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So I'm looking for a tv for black friday and I'm between a 65 lg c8 oled or the 75 940e. I noticed bestbuy still has some in stock on their website and was wondering what you guys think about it. I don't know much about this tv, could you guys give me a list of the main issues this tv has to look out for? Is it a good idea to purchase it since they're not making any new ones or do they not really have too many issues to worry about returning/replacing it?

My only experience with a FALD is a 2015 Vizio M series and the biggest issue I notice is when LD is engaged the entire screen fluctuates in brightness on certain scenes, does the 940e do this? That'd be a dealbreaker for me, 'cause it very distracting. I also notice the vizio is splotchy (dse?) with a uniform dark background but i don't really notice it in content I think or in brighter scenes. How is the 940e in this regard? Thanks in advance
I currently own both the 65C8 and x940e. The 940 wins in size obviously, but everything else imo comes in at a close second. Sitting in front of my 940e is pretty good, but from an angle I have some pretty bad DSE. HDR is pretty good on the 940e...but I'm sensitive to blooming and light bleed and here the 940e struggles, this is my biggest critique...if theirs blooming or light bleed then that to me negates how bright these can get...contrast contrast contrast, the oled here wins 10 times out of 10. If your sensitive to abl, then the C8 ain't for you, if you want to melt your eyes out with unnecessary full screen brightness, or specular brightness, then oled ain't for you as well. Choosing between these two comes down to what your needs are...my C8 is in a dedicated room for movies, while my 940e is on the livingroom. Hope this helps.

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Horzontal shadow bars when camera pans upwards. Is it a consensus that with all the latest updates, this problem is corrected?
The last two releases, in my opinion, pretty much eliminated my horizontal banding issues on up and down camera pans.
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I currently own both the 65C8 and x940e. The 940 wins in size obviously, but everything else imo comes in at a close second. Sitting in front of my 940e is pretty good, but from an angle I have some pretty bad DSE. HDR is pretty good on the 940e...but I'm sensitive to blooming and light bleed and here the 940e struggles, this is my biggest critique...if theirs blooming or light bleed then that to me negates how bright these can get...contrast contrast contrast, the oled here wins 10 times out of 10. If your sensitive to abl, then the C8 ain't for you, if you want to melt your eyes out with unnecessary full screen brightness, or specular brightness, then oled ain't for you as well. Choosing between these two comes down to what your needs are...my C8 is in a dedicated room for movies, while my 940e is on the livingroom. Hope this helps.
Does the 940e have any benefit in say shadow detail/black crush over the oled in your opinion? And how would you compare the processing btw the two..mainly in streaming content that can sometimes exhibit macroblocking?
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^in regards to shadow detail, no. Their almost the same from my comparisons. The processing is the same depending on source...garbage in garbage out, I'd give a slight edge to my OLED only because its 65. The biggest difference tbh is overall brightness, the 940e is a light canon imo compared to my 2017 Vizio p series and my oleds.
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^in regards to shadow detail, no. Their almost the same from my comparisons. The processing is the same...garbage in garbage out, I'd give a slight edge to my OLED only because its 65.
do you use the smooth gradation/noise reduction and they're still about equal? Im just super anal about this cuz its my biggest gripe with my b6 the macroblocking, i know they've gotten better though.
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The last two releases, in my opinion, pretty much eliminated my horizontal banding issues on up and down camera pans.
Thanks. I bit the bullet and put the set online and updated the firmware. I have Xtended dynamic range back on Low and so far it does look really good.
I am also interested to see if there is any improvement with lip sync issues with movies.
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Thanks. I bit the bullet and put the set online and updated the firmware. I have Xtended dynamic range back on Low and so far it does look really good.
I am also interested to see if there is any improvement with lip sync issues with movies.
I ended up setting Xtended Dynamic Range on low as well.

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mbps visible on native apps for Google or VUDU?

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If you're using the native netflix app on the 940E, there is a button on the remote (can't remember exactly what it's labeled) that will bring up some information (small print) along hte top left corner of the screen. One of the many things it'll do is report to you bit rate.

It may take a while to ramp up (particularly on the built-in app), but if it hits 15.xy mbps, that means you're streaming the Netflix 4K HDR stream.

Info regarding whether or not the source material is available in 4K HDR appears in the Netflix main menu, above the "image" for the show or movie, next to where it tells you if it's in 5.1 audio, etc.

I wish Netflix had a faster speed that involved less compression, for those of us that have faster connections (probably most everyone looking to buy a 940E, for example), but they don't. FWIW, the 4K HDR feed on Netflix *does* look pretty good, despite the 15 mbps speed...

But I definitely recommend you don't rely on the native apps. Just last night, for reasons I won't go into in detail, I tried to watch an Amazon 4K HDR feed via the native amazon app on the 940E. I didn't make it 30 seconds. It was so terrible. I quickly reconnected my NVidia Shield directly to the TV, booted back up, and restarted the same stream using the Shield instead of the 940E. Played flawlessly.

Generically (and off-topic), stuff like that is (part of) why Android in general has gotten a bum wrap, IMO. Google provides the OS for free... and sometimes, someone like Sony implements it quite poorly, using pretty inferior/underpowered hardware. It's the same OS on the Shield... vastly differently user experience, though.



I'm not sure where/how you purchased it, but yea, there's a chance you bought a copy that supports 4K resolution, natively but no other "HDR" enhancements (10 bit color, wider color space (REC.2020), peak brightness beyond 100 nits, etc).

Netflix, for example, has content available that is in 4K resolution, but no other "HDR" / "UHD" enhancements (8 bit color, REC.709 color space, 100 nits peak brightness). So yes, that's a real thing.

FWIW, I think the 4K resolution on these 940E's does not matter much at all until you get closer to the TV than you'd probably want to for general viewing purposes. At a distance of 10 feet, the whole reason why these new TVs are great are the enhancements to brightness/light control and color (bit depth and color gamut).



I think the intro scene to House of Cards is pretty amazing. Just straight outta the box, set the TV to CinemaHome or CinemaPro, then bump the gamma (generically, not the advanced settings) back to -2... and take a big step back and enjoy. Looks pretty awesome, IMO.

Then feel free to fiddle.
Our current ISP, Uverse, doesn't always maintain the speed to stream 4K. We'd like to know how often any 4K purchases or rentals will be in 4K. (AT&T fiber isn't here yet, leaving Spectrum as the only alternative.)

It's easy to check it on Netflix. But on the 940-native apps and on a (non-4K) Roku stick, it's impossible to check speed on Google Play or VUDU.

As psuKinger noted, the native app for Netflix will indicate, e.g., "Video: 11.44 Mbps/2160" by pressing the Display button on the Sony remote. The 2016 Roku stick's Netflix app has the same on-screen indicator. The display stays on screen until it's toggled off.

But the 940E-native apps for Google Play & VUDU don't have mbps/resolution indicators.
Google Play displays nothing at all when the Sony remote's "Display" is pressed.
VUDU shows 4 signal-strength bars, fully or partially lit in blue, next to "UHD" in a box. But the "UHD" does not light up even as the bars do. It is always white.

On Roku, Google Play again gives no format or speed. And VUDU simply indicates, e.g., "HDX." No mbps info.

Do any 940-native apps display speed & format? Does a 4K-capable Roku do so for more than just Netflix?
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I ended up setting Xtended Dynamic Range on low as well.

For HDR/DV as well? or SDR which is were I use it on low.
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For HDR/DV as well? or SDR which is were I use it on low.
SDR. On good, well shot and authored Blu rays (most modern releases), I find it gives a nice "faux" HDR effect.

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My set was purchased in late April 2018. The manufacturing date was January 2018 and the firmware it came with was dated October 2017; So, this latest update contained everything since then.
I do feel that the image appears much more transparent, if that word can be used. Less artifacts in other words. The horizontal banding with upward panning seems to have gone away. Similar banding on the Amazon Prime home screen is gone. Only thing I have noticed is that the white beard of the MGM lion has some effervescence to it. This is with Amazon Prime, so it could be a combination of compression and xtended dymanic range at work. I have not experimented with any of the settings so far.
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^maybe its xtended dynamic range? I personally dont like that setting.
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^maybe its xtended dynamic range? I personally dont like that setting.
I initially had my contrast too high, prior to setting my white and black levels (for SDR) with the WOW disc, and experienced some negative effects with Xtended Dynamic Range. Once I got my white levels adjusted properly and the white/black balance right, I didn't see any issues with XDR on low ...... medium to high not so good. YMMV
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I have things set with the Munsil disc, so I feel pretty confident about those settings. I think the problem that happens is that there are certain details that can trigger the XDR circuitry falsely you might say. The MGM lions white chin for example. The movies themselves only have issues if they are grainy to begin with. The benefits of what XDR can do outweighs a few short term artifacts, from my perspective anyway. I also have not noticed any lip syncing issues with Amazon Prime video since updating the firmware. That could be a coincidence, time will tell.
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I turned my tv on and it shut itself off. When I turned it on again it started up with the android screen. I do not have it connected to the internet. This is the second time it's happened. Anyone else experience this? Should I be concerned?

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I turned my tv on and it shut itself off. When I turned it on again it started up with the android screen. I do not have it connected to the internet. This is the second time it's happened. Anyone else experience this? Should I be concerned?
Mine has done that. One time it got caught in the continuous loop of start up android screen, then shut down, then it would start up again, over and over. There is a fix for this, I had to employ it. I've also had your situation happen as well with my bedroom 850E. Power failures and surges seem to also cause this scenario. They are basically computers, and as such seem to need the occasional re-boot

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I turned my tv on and it shut itself off. When I turned it on again it started up with the android screen. I do not have it connected to the internet. This is the second time it's happened. Anyone else experience this? Should I be concerned?
I guess this is the norm with this set,as I've experienced this multiple times.
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I searched but no luck.

I can't seem to get the microphone function on my remote to work.

I went through the activation process of hitting the minus button on the volume and holding it down while hitting the mic button for 3 seconds. After several attempts I still get, "Something went wrong, please try again later" on a popup window.

Am I doing something wrong? Any help appreciated. Thank you.

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Mine has done that. One time it got caught in the continuous loop of start up android screen, then shut down, then it would start up again, over and over. There is a fix for this, I had to employ it. I've also had your situation happen as well with my bedroom 850E. Power failures and surges seem to also cause this scenario. They are basically computers, and as such seem to need the occasional re-boot
I feel it. My old bones need the occasional reboot too.

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I just ordered the XBR75X940E from Amazon. This TV will replace my Pioneer Kuro in my family room. After hours of reading and watching reviews, visiting stores, and reading this forum, I concluded that 75” was worth the extra money and the X940E was the best deal to be had at the moment. Anyway...just saying hi, and looking forward to next week when it’s delivered.


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I just ordered the XBR75X940E from Amazon. This TV will replace my Pioneer Kuro in my family room. After hours of reading and watching reviews, visiting stores, and reading this forum, I concluded that 75” was worth the extra money and the X940E was the best deal to be had at the moment. Anyway...just saying hi, and looking forward to next week when it’s delivered.


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Welcome to the family! I went from a 65" Panasonic plasma to the 75" and couldn't be happier. Still waffle on the motion settings (looking for "correct" not subjective and there's no firm answer) but the picture quality can't be beat.

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So if Panny doesn't add VUDU to the 820 player the only option for me to get my Dolby Vision titles that are redeemed to my VUDU from Movies Anywhere is to buy an Apple TV 4k for a minimum of $135. Kinda stinks.
Of course the VUDU app built into the TV works for my DV titles, but then I won't have sound outputting to my receiver. Would connecting to the ARC channel on my 940E allow for the built in apps to send audio to my receiver?
Right now I'm going into input 2 on the 940E which is not ARC channel.

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So if Panny doesn't add VUDU to the 820 player the only option for me to get my Dolby Vision titles that are redeemed to my VUDU from Movies Anywhere is to buy an Apple TV 4k for a minimum of $135. Kinda stinks.
Of course the VUDU app built into the TV works for my DV titles, but then I won't have sound outputting to my receiver. Would connecting to the ARC channel on my 940E allow for the built in apps to send audio to my receiver?
Right now I'm going into input 2 on the 940E which is not ARC channel.
Currently I have my Sony HT-Z9F SB hooked to my x940E Input 3 (arc) and get audio fine from my Sony X700 that is hooked to HDMI 2. I also get ATMOS from it. I know at one time I checked the internal VUDU app to see what I was getting from it but don't remember if I got ATMOS. I don't use the internal apps as I use my ATV4K. I will however check for you and see what I am getting from the VUDU app. Won't be able to get to it for a couple hours but will get back.
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Currently I have my Sony HT-Z9F SB hooked to my x940E Input 3 (arc) and get audio fine from my Sony X700 that is hooked to HDMI 2. I also get ATMOS from it. I know at one time I checked the internal VUDU app to see what I was getting from it but don't remember if I got ATMOS. I don't use the internal apps as I use my ATV4K. I will however check for you and see what I am getting from the VUDU app. Won't be able to get to it for a couple hours but will get back.
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Thank you Gerry. I actually switched to input 3 ARC and it works fine with my Denon receiver. The only problem I just realized is that VUDU dolby vision content looks terrible compared to HDR10 from disc.
I played Infinity War through VUDU which is offered in ATMOS and Dolby Vision and the color was insanely pale. I had to raise the color setting on my 940E to around 70 to get the color to look anywhere near the HDR10 blu ray with color set to 50. Also the ATMOS soundtrack seemed to come through better from disc as well. For some reason I'm not able to adjust my speaker channel levels while using the ARC and internal apps either. This is a deal breaker because the dialog gets drowned out in my center channel and there's no way to raise it while in this ARC/Native App mode.
So I guess I'll be sticking with good ol' HDR10 from hard copy when available.

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Thank you Gerry. I actually switched to input 3 ARC and it works fine with my Denon receiver. The only problem I just realized is that VUDU dolby vision content looks terrible compared to HDR10 from disc.
I played Infinity War through VUDU which is offered in ATMOS and Dolby Vision and the color was insanely pale. I had to raise the color setting on my 940E to around 70 to get the color to look anywhere near the HDR10 blu ray with color set to 50. Also the ATMOS soundtrack seemed to come through better from disc as well. For some reason I'm not able to adjust my speaker channel levels while using the ARC and internal apps either. This is a deal breaker because the dialog gets drowned out in my center channel and there's no way to raise it while in this ARC/Native App mode.
So I guess I'll be sticking with good ol' HDR10 from hard copy when available.
I'm seating here watching Tomb Raider (new one) with DV and ATMOS. Don't understand why yours is looking pale. Mine looks the same as from my ATV4K. You do remember that you need to calibrate each HDMI input on it's own? Also you need to calibrate the internal apps also. I use the same settings pretty much across all my devices...
Gerry

PS: ATMOS over ARC is DD+ with ATMOS riding on top it it (compressed). ATMOS from disc is uncompressed.. The ATMOS from my ATV4K is also DD+ with ATMOS but is in a PCM-MAT container..

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