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Seems like the Sony 940E is to LED/LCD what the Pioneer Kuro was to Plasma. Just a thought.......
Makes me feel lucky to have one. Never had the once much coveted Kuro.
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Are people here claiming that the 940e is superior to the 75Z9D? I happen to have both TVs (Z9D in my den and 940e in my bedroom), and while I find them to be very similar and great performers, I do prefer the image of the Z9D. Perhaps I'm hallucinating??

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Are people here claiming that the 940e is superior to the 75Z9D? I happen to have both TVs (Z9D in my den and 940e in my bedroom), and while I find them to be very similar and great performers, I do prefer the image of the Z9D. Perhaps I'm hallucinating??


I owned both at one time preferred the 940e it was the 65 z9d , in the end its subjective no ?


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Most reviewers at the time felt that the Z9D was better with it's 600 fald zones, but when compared to the 940E, those differences were small compared to the prices for each set. I've never seen a Z9D, but I would think that it is superior in shadow detail. The backlight alone was capable of displaying an image all by itself. That's pretty impressive.
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I'm not much one for the techno babble but I can say when I watch Comcast cable and happens all the time I see an image on a HD channel (not 4K) and I say OMG!

It's always been about video processing that's what to look for in a TV.

These are just my opinions.
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Are people here claiming that the 940e is superior to the 75Z9D? I happen to have both TVs (Z9D in my den and 940e in my bedroom), and while I find them to be very similar and great performers, I do prefer the image of the Z9D. Perhaps I'm hallucinating??
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Simple answer to your question : go to Rtings.com and click on "Television Reviews", then "Tools", then "Compare TVs" and select Sony Z9D in one column and Sony 940E in another column, side by side.

The FALD used on the 940E gets the same performance rating as the "Master Drive" used on the Z9D, its contrast with FALD engaged is considerably higher than the Z9D, it has better viewing angle and, according to test reports from other publications, a lower black floor.

Sure, the Z9D is capable of displaying brighter highlights in nits then the 940E and yet the 940E received a higher rating for movie watching and HDR movie watching and sold for considerably less.

I don't know what is the general consensus on panel uniformity concerning the Z9D but my 940E has a pristine panel without any DSE, banding, darkened screen edges, dead pixels, screen corner "flashlights", tinting, etc, but what still amazes me after almost 1 1/2 years of daily use is its performance on low level near-black scenes where, to my eyes, the 940E truly shines displaying all picture details with unmatched clarity.

Sure, OLED screens are capable of even lower black floor performance but when it comes to those "pesky" scenes i mentioned above it appears that banding is near endemic to OLED screens according to owners posting right here at AVS, and who wants to be distracted by bandings when watching low level near-black scenes, or watching an outdoor scene with lots of white areas on the image, or watching a hockey game ?

I am extremely satisfied with the overall performance of my 940E and would not exchange it for any other current 75" LCD UHDTV; I already decided that it would be replaced only by one of these promised displays that will be using micro LEDs + native 8K, which hopefully will be widely available by 2022 (?) at affordable pricing, or so i hope.
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Simple answer to your question : go to Rtings.com and click on "Television Reviews", then "Tools", then "Compare TVs" and select Sony Z9D in one column and Sony 940E in another column, side by side.
Well, mine aren't side by side, but before purchasing the 940e I did review the two of them side by side at my local dealer. In that viewing the Z9D looked marginally better to me but since this was for my bedroom I decided to go with the 940e anyway. Note that I had already owned the Z9D for over a year at that time.

So to my eyes, I do prefer the Z9D, but the difference didn't seem worth it to me for the additional $3000. Note that I don't put much in Rtings.com. We all have our opinions.
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I don't know of any other online video publication offering free test reports for UHDTVs that tests for panel temperature, color gradient, image retention, panel pixels picture, full local-dimming performance (with video),SDR/HDR peak brightness using so many "windows", black uniformity, screen reflection, viewing angle, ANSI native contrast and ANSI contrast with local dimming engaged and a full suite of motion performance with so many different parameters.
I think the only test missing is for minimum black floor achievable, which in my opinion is sorely missed.

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Guess I'm just a skeptic...most of the time I ignore published reviews of just about everything, unless the differences are really dramatic. Also, I would expect some sample variation with these TVs. Unless they tested a scientifically valid sample...who knows...

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Hey Guys. Back again. I'm starting to believe that HDR10 is the only way to go with the 940E instead of using Dolby Vision when possible on disc or streaming. Ive done a bunch more comparisons with my UB820 blu ray player with discs and and using VUDU for the streaming comparisons between DV and HDR10.

What I found with the 940E and custom mode is that the TV tracks the tone curve way different when in Custom mode and Live Color setting is on high. The TV easily jumps up by about 30% more light output across the whole screen.
This is only the case when watching HDR10 signals.

I've set everything the same and tried some Dolby Vision content via UHD disc and streaming and the same light output jump is just not there. This really hinders the pop coming from the maximum light output on the 940E I can see with HDR10 content. The brightness is really stunning.

I used to think that Dolby Vision was the ultimate of signals when I was using the tv in Cinema Pro mode only. Now I'm starting to think that turning Dolby Vision off in my UB820 and watching all content in HDR10 is the only way to go here.
I believe the UB820 takes over all control wen DV content is being played so maybe thats the issue there, but the same thing is the case with DV streaming from the native apps. Don't have an apple tv 4k to test dolby vision, but that would be interesting. HDR10 also looks super bright with my Nvidia shield and these custom mode settings.

Can someone else verify this big light output increase when using Custom mode and turning Live Color on high for HDR10 content vs. Dolby Vision?

Local Dimming x High
X-Dynamic Range x High
Contrast enhc. and black adjust x Off.

Heres a video of the light output jump. The video makes the light output jump look overly contrasty because of iphone camera, but to my eyes in person its looks wonderful with no dramatic clipping in any areas. Just a big light boost.

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Hey Guys. Back again. I'm starting to believe that HDR10 is the only way to go with the 940E instead of using Dolby Vision when possible on disc or streaming. Ive done a bunch more comparisons with my UB820 blu ray player with discs and and using VUDU for the streaming comparisons between DV and HDR10.

What I found with the 940E and custom mode is that the TV tracks the tone curve way different when in Custom mode and Live Color setting is on high. The TV easily jumps up by about 30% more light output across the whole screen.
This is only the case when watching HDR10 signals.

I've set everything the same and tried some Dolby Vision content via UHD disc and streaming and the same light output jump is just not there. This really hinders the pop coming from the maximum light output on the 940E I can see with HDR10 content. The brightness is really stunning.

I used to think that Dolby Vision was the ultimate of signals when I was using the tv in Cinema Pro mode only. Now I'm starting to think that turning Dolby Vision off in my UB820 and watching all content in HDR10 is the only way to go here.
I believe the UB820 takes over all control wen DV content is being played so maybe thats the issue there, but the same thing is the case with DV streaming from the native apps. Don't have an apple tv 4k to test dolby vision, but that would be interesting. HDR10 also looks super bright with my Nvidia shield and these custom mode settings.

Can someone else verify this big light output increase when using Custom mode and turning Live Color on high for HDR10 content vs. Dolby Vision?

Local Dimming x High
X-Dynamic Range x High
Contrast enhc. and black adjust x Off.

Heres a video of the light output jump. The video makes the light output jump look overly contrasty because of iphone camera, but to my eyes in person its looks wonderful with no dramatic clipping in any areas. Just a big light boost. https://youtu.be/2DgPL-KMyFw
In my opinion, it presents the same with Apple TV. DV seems to be toned down and not as popping as compared with HDR 10. So many settings with this Panel and Atv.

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In my opinion, it presents the same with Apple TV. DV seems to be toned down and not as popping as compared with HDR 10. So many settings with this Panel and Atv.

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Yea it just seems crazy to watch this panel with HDR in any other way than in Custom mode and HDR10. The brightness is just amazing this way compared to any other options I've tried. Can't go back to Dolby Vision until something there is fixed to be as bright as HDR10 appears to be.

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Anyone with a denon receiver notice a slight audio delay. I have played around with the receiver settings and turned off every video processing option I can and still notice it. I have played with the audio delay setting on the receiver and see between 30 and 35 ms has it almost perfect but I keep picking up on it. I never had this issue with my old receiver. Any tips? I'd rather get rid of it completely. It isn't happening with the TV speakers.
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Hey Guys. Back again. I'm starting to believe that HDR10 is the only way to go with the 940E instead of using Dolby Vision when possible on disc or streaming. Ive done a bunch more comparisons with my UB820 blu ray player with discs and and using VUDU for the streaming comparisons between DV and HDR10.

What I found with the 940E and custom mode is that the TV tracks the tone curve way different when in Custom mode and Live Color setting is on high. The TV easily jumps up by about 30% more light output across the whole screen.
This is only the case when watching HDR10 signals.

I've set everything the same and tried some Dolby Vision content via UHD disc and streaming and the same light output jump is just not there. This really hinders the pop coming from the maximum light output on the 940E I can see with HDR10 content. The brightness is really stunning.

I used to think that Dolby Vision was the ultimate of signals when I was using the tv in Cinema Pro mode only. Now I'm starting to think that turning Dolby Vision off in my UB820 and watching all content in HDR10 is the only way to go here.
I believe the UB820 takes over all control wen DV content is being played so maybe thats the issue there, but the same thing is the case with DV streaming from the native apps. Don't have an apple tv 4k to test dolby vision, but that would be interesting. HDR10 also looks super bright with my Nvidia shield and these custom mode settings.

Can someone else verify this big light output increase when using Custom mode and turning Live Color on high for HDR10 content vs. Dolby Vision?

Local Dimming x High
X-Dynamic Range x High
Contrast enhc. and black adjust x Off.

Heres a video of the light output jump. The video makes the light output jump look overly contrasty because of iphone camera, but to my eyes in person its looks wonderful with no dramatic clipping in any areas. Just a big light boost. https://youtu.be/2DgPL-KMyFw
All settings being equal (contrast,....brightness,..sharpness etc......) i found that custom picture mode is the brightest,i use it when i play movies or games in hdr as i find in hdr the picture is too dim sometimes and custom with live color set to high(i always have it set to high) gives it a punch of brightness,....unfortunately my only experience with dolby vision has been with netflix,...and well...i think nothing can fix that mess of a picture.when using sdr i usually go with vivid or standard,or graphics mode,....read in rting that graphics or game mode is the only picture setting that displays 4;4;4 color correctly,gonna do some more research.
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Hey Guys. Back again. I'm starting to believe that HDR10 is the only way to go with the 940E instead of using Dolby Vision when possible on disc or streaming. Ive done a bunch more comparisons with my UB820 blu ray player with discs and and using VUDU for the streaming comparisons between DV and HDR10.

What I found with the 940E and custom mode is that the TV tracks the tone curve way different when in Custom mode and Live Color setting is on high. The TV easily jumps up by about 30% more light output across the whole screen.
This is only the case when watching HDR10 signals.

I've set everything the same and tried some Dolby Vision content via UHD disc and streaming and the same light output jump is just not there. This really hinders the pop coming from the maximum light output on the 940E I can see with HDR10 content. The brightness is really stunning.

I used to think that Dolby Vision was the ultimate of signals when I was using the tv in Cinema Pro mode only. Now I'm starting to think that turning Dolby Vision off in my UB820 and watching all content in HDR10 is the only way to go here.
I believe the UB820 takes over all control wen DV content is being played so maybe thats the issue there, but the same thing is the case with DV streaming from the native apps. Don't have an apple tv 4k to test dolby vision, but that would be interesting. HDR10 also looks super bright with my Nvidia shield and these custom mode settings.

Can someone else verify this big light output increase when using Custom mode and turning Live Color on high for HDR10 content vs. Dolby Vision?

Local Dimming x High
X-Dynamic Range x High
Contrast enhc. and black adjust x Off.

Heres a video of the light output jump. The video makes the light output jump look overly contrasty because of iphone camera, but to my eyes in person its looks wonderful with no dramatic clipping in any areas. Just a big light boost. https://youtu.be/2DgPL-KMyFw
All settings being equal (contrast,....brightness,..sharpness etc......) i found that custom picture mode is the brightest,i use it when i play movies or games in hdr as i find in hdr the picture is too dim sometimes and custom with live color set to high(i always have it set to high) gives it a punch of brightness,....unfortunately my only experience with dolby vision has been with netflix,...and well...i think nothing can fix that mess of a picture.when using sdr i usually go with vivid or standard,or graphics mode,....read in rting that graphics or game mode is the only picture setting that displays 4;4;4 color correctly,gonna do some more research.

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Anyone with a denon receiver notice a slight audio delay. I have played around with the receiver settings and turned off every video processing option I can and still notice it. I have played with the audio delay setting on the receiver and see between 30 and 35 ms has it almost perfect but I keep picking up on it. I never had this issue with my old receiver. Any tips? I'd rather get rid of it completely. It isn't happening with the TV speakers.
I have an S730h and have never had to mess with syncing audio for any inputs.

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sup all,...been a while since i been on here,over a year ago i was struggling trying to decide which tv i was going to get to join in the 4k hdr age,and this forum's help was priceless and couldn't be happier with my 940e,and coming from a bravia 52 inch 75 is just epic.my question is in the setting of the tv under hdmi signal formats the way it is written makes it seem that 10 bit hdr is only supported by 4:2:0: just trying to figure out if i should leave the ycc 4:2:2 option in my xbox one x video settings on or off for movies and games,thanks in advance for the help.
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sup all,...been a while since i been on here,over a year ago i was struggling trying to decide which tv i was going to get to join in the 4k hdr age,and this forum's help was priceless and couldn't be happier with my 940e,and coming from a bravia 52 inch 75 is just epic.my question is in the setting of the tv under hdmi signal formats the way it is written makes it seem that 10 bit hdr is only supported by 4:2:0: just trying to figure out if i should leave the ycc 4:2:2 option in my xbox one x video settings on or off for movies and games,thanks in advance for the help.
4:2:0 is the original signal. 4:2:2 is scaling by whatever device you set to do scaling I believe. Some devices are better than others at doing this smoothly. I believe the TV will take over if you don't set any scaling on the third party device. Not sure how Sony's built in hardware compares to Xbox. I do know Panasonic UHD players are known to be some of the best in the business at chroma scaling. I have the UB820 blu ray player and love it. The HDR optimizers keeps everything mapped to 1000 nits in highlights which is perfect in combo with the 940E which hits a peak of around ~1250 nits so I know nothing is clipping. Highly recommend that player to the 940E crowd.
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I will take SDR over DV on my 940e for any content you give me. DV is soft, washed out and dull....at least from the internal apps. I don't have any other source for it.
i have tried dv internally on my tv via netflix and on my ps4 pro and xbox one x and i get the same results,too dark and dull,sometimes i have to turn hdr and dv off in my xbox settings.also not always but i find that "forcing" hdr on some games and movies yields results far better than "native" hdr,doesn't work all the time,color is way over saturated and skin tone is not natural but on the content that i can calibrate the picture settings to compensate it leaves me in awe.
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i have tried dv internally on my tv via netflix and on my ps4 pro and xbox one x and i get the same results,too dark and dull,sometimes i have to turn hdr and dv off in my xbox settings.also not always but i find that "forcing" hdr on some games and movies yields results far better than "native" hdr,doesn't work all the time,color is way over saturated and skin tone is not natural but on the content that i can calibrate the picture settings to compensate it leaves me in awe.
The only disc I've ever found myself having to force HDR10 with is surprisingly Planet Earth 2. I noticed something was way off when playing it through my UB820 to 940E. The blacks were very elevated in the opening scene of Cities. I forced HDR10 and everything looked as it should have after that. Odd. HLG on 940E wasn't anywhere close either.
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Ads? Has anyone else noticed there's a new "Promoted" row now, right under Watch Next? I thought Sony was one of the few brands that didn't put ads on their TVs. I know there was a setting to turn something similar off and I've done that after my last factory reset. This row is not always there - it comes and goes.
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Auqaman Dolby Vision and the 940e

Really the bold italics says it all but this was a picture to behold and makes a strong argument for both as this was just reference picture in just about every regard:cool
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^lol those IMAX scenes were pretty good!
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Count me in on the side of Dolby Vision. I recently watched Aquaman and Mortal Engines via Apple4K TV ... Absolutely stunning reference quality visuals with glorious details and searing specular highlights. Certainly not dark and dull like some seem to be experiencing. Couldn’t be more pleased. Wish I knew why this polarization among us owners is taking place. Can those of you who have lifeless DV try a factory hard reset? At least before giving up and going with HDR10. You will need to re-enter all your settings, but might be worth a try.
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Count me in on the side of Dolby Vision. I recently watched Aquaman and Mortal Engines via Apple4K TV ... Absolutely stunning reference quality visuals with glorious details and searing specular highlights. Certainly not dark and dull like some seem to be experiencing. Couldn’t be more pleased. Wish I knew why this polarization among us owners is taking place. Can those of you who have lifeless DV try a factory hard reset? At least before giving up and going with HDR10. You will need to re-enter all your settings, but might be worth a try.

I'm with you. Dolby Vision on my 940E is anything but dim. The internal Netflix app watching The Highwaymen was great and the Apple TV watching Aquaman and Mortal Engines is definitely some sights to behold. Not my favorite TV in the house, but there are times when it really shines.
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Auqaman Dolby Vision and the 940e

Really the bold italics says it all but this was a picture to behold and makes a strong argument for both as this was just reference picture in just about every regard:cool
Just to clarify, are you referring to disc playback versus digital?

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Just to clarify, are you referring to disc playback versus digital?
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This may of been asked here before, but I'd really like to hear your personal take on this.. Would you say that you saw any motion issues or blur while watching SDR/HDR movies/cable shows? Or black smearing? (I can care less about gaming).. Thanks!

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I think you can see motion issues if a camera is panning a picket fence or anything with lots of repeating vertical columns. Watch golf putting and you will clearly see the shadow ball following the main ball. There is a great youtube video of a black box moving on a white screen faster and faster. here you will see what black smearing looks like. But to me motion like this is a minor part of the experience. Still image detail and localized motion captures more of my attention, and in these areas the 940E never ceases to amaze my eyes. I can't invest in better motion if I have to sacrifice those other things, and that seems to be the current direction.
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