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post #9331 of 9405 Old 10-17-2019, 06:29 PM
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I just watched the HDTVtest.com of the brand new and highly expected TCL 8-Series 75 inches 4K model that uses a little over 25.000 mini LEDs and has 900 dimming zones in a 30x30 arrangement. Due to such arrangement i was expecting an amazing amount of minimum black level, perhaps even challenging OLED screens.

According to Vincent Theo's review the minimum black level achieved was 0.0018 nits without engaging FALD and that amount dropped to 0.001 nits with FALD engaged on "high". Also, by using FALD the set suffered with dimmer and dimmer brightness highlights the higher the amount of FALD applied.

The same test on the 940E was 0.0025 nits without FALD and 0.001 nits with FALD on "low" and according to another publication the minimum black level of the 940E was actually slightly lower than that at 0.00085 nits without any visible dimming of highlights !

Vincent Theo also mentioned the poor performance of the model during near-black scenes with low level details and its very poor EOTF function curve.

Moral of this short story : as far as i am concerned when it comes to FALD implementation and scene detail at near-black the 940E still rules all others, after reading so many/many professional reviews of all LCD sets.

The more i read these reviews, the more convinced i become that the 940E was truly a "sui generis" model, a one-of-a-kind 4K LCD set.
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I just watched the HDTVtest.com of the brand new and highly expected TCL 8-Series 75 inches 4K model that uses a little over 25.000 mini LEDs and has 900 dimming zones in a 30x30 arrangement. Due to such arrangement i was expecting an amazing amount of minimum black level, perhaps even challenging OLED screens.

According to Vincent Theo's review the minimum black level achieved was 0.0018 nits without engaging FALD and that amount dropped to 0.001 nits with FALD engaged on "high". Also, by using FALD the set suffered with dimmer and dimmer brightness highlights the higher the amount of FALD applied.

The same test on the 940E was 0.0025 nits without FALD and 0.001 nits with FALD on "low" and according to another publication the minimum black level of the 940E was actually slightly lower than that at 0.00085 nits without any visible dimming of highlights !

Vincent Theo also mentioned the poor performance of the model during near-black scenes with low level details and its very poor EOTF function curve.

Moral of this short story : as far as i am concerned when it comes to FALD implementation and scene detail at near-black the 940E still rules all others, after reading so many/many professional reviews of all LCD sets.

The more i read these reviews, the more convinced i become that the 940E was truly a "sui generis" model, a one-of-a-kind 4K LCD set.
Agree, it is truly amazing and I too have been watching a number of sets like the Q90R and TCL 8 series that is about to pop on the scene next month to owners. Was a little disappointed in what Vincent came up with as I thought the set would have better implementation of FALD and the EOTF curve. There just isn't anything like the x940e to date!
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We are 1 month away from new models. With the advent of the Hi Sense 2 layer panel, I would be curious to see if Sony attempts to use a 2 layer panel as well. This gives the equivalent of pixel level local dimming. I think this coming technology could change everything in the LCD field. The only issue here is if this technology can still achieve good brightness levels over OLED. I read that with 2 layer screens, it takes more power in the backlight to achieve the same brightness levels of single layer screens.
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We are 1 month away from new models. With the advent of the Hi Sense 2 layer panel, I would be curious to see if Sony attempts to use a 2 layer panel as well. This gives the equivalent of pixel level local dimming. I think this coming technology could change everything in the LCD field. The only issue here is if this technology can still achieve good brightness levels over OLED. I read that with 2 layer screens, it takes more power in the backlight to achieve the same brightness levels of single layer screens.
1 month? I think today is 10/19.. What are you referring to? Dual layer panels take a lot of power to drive any kind of brightness out of them.
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Sony x940 panel heat

Hi, how is everyone's x940e when it comes to how hot the panel gets after about 3-5 hours of usage? After about 2-4 hours the top
part of mine gets pretty damn hot.. My 900e did not get this hot.. How's yours?

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Hi everyone! Is the X940E still a good choice considering it’s been a few years since its release? I’ve been looking for a new 75” tv and was also considering the X950G and Samsung’s Q80. Also, does anyone here have experience with Video and Audio Center? It looks like they have the X940E in stock on Amazon (and also outside of Amazon which could save a little in taxes).
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Hi everyone! Is the X940E still a good choice considering it’s been a few years since its release? I’ve been looking for a new 75” tv and was also considering the X950G and Samsung’s Q80. Also, does anyone here have experience with Video and Audio Center? It looks like they have the X940E in stock on Amazon (and also outside of Amazon which could save a little in taxes).
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I'm surprised that there is still any to be found!! A number of people bought them fairly recently from them. It is fulfilled through Amazon so they would be shipping it..
It's a beautiful TV with an amazing picture. I've been researching TVs of late and was looking at the Q90. Then after further research I decided that it is no better than what I got and worse in some areas.
The only replacement that I would consider is a Sony 77 A9G OLED..
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Also, does anyone here have experience with Video and Audio Center? It looks like they have the X940E in stock on Amazon (and also outside of Amazon which could save a little in taxes).
Thanks!
I bought mine from them in January. No bad surprises. Not sure I would buy not through Amazon though... And by the way, that tv is still awesome.
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Hi everyone! Is the X940E still a good choice considering it’s been a few years since its release? I’ve been looking for a new 75” tv and was also considering the X950G and Samsung’s Q80. Also, does anyone here have experience with Video and Audio Center? It looks like they have the X940E in stock on Amazon (and also outside of Amazon which could save a little in taxes).
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I have had the samsung q9f along with a bunch of other tvs. and i currently have the x940e,, I would say that the q90 is the better tv in almost all aspects..The x940e is a great tv in almost all areas, but it does have some serious motion issues.. Wether you will be sensitive to it or not, I don't know.. I noticed it right away, and you can not adjust it out in the settings much. . ... My x940e has just developed a defect, (vertical black bar pulsating down the right side of the screen) I am in the process of filing a claim with sony right now...

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I have no problems with motion on my x940e. It is minimal with the correct settings. Speaking of the Q90 just look at the last ten pages of the thread for motion and blooming problems...
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The only thing I notice, and I have mentioned this many times, is the doubling of the golf ball image on the putting green. I suppose there are other examples but it is harder to see with larger things in motion. That small ball rolling across the green shows up as a double image and as it slows down, becomes solid again. It is the panel response time and there are no settings that will correct for it. At least none that I have found. But for me, and I suspect many others, the set does so many other things so well, that you just accept this as a trade off.
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The only thing I notice, and I have mentioned this many times, is the doubling of the golf ball image on the putting green. I suppose there are other examples but it is harder to see with larger things in motion. That small ball rolling across the green shows up as a double image and as it slows down, becomes solid again. It is the panel response time and there are no settings that will correct for it. At least none that I have found. But for me, and I suspect many others, the set does so many other things so well, that you just accept this as a trade off.
I’ve been thrilled with this TV!
Good thing I don’t watch golf
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Agree, it is truly amazing and I too have been watching a number of sets like the Q90R and TCL 8 series that is about to pop on the scene next month to owners. Was a little disappointed in what Vincent came up with as I thought the set would have better implementation of FALD and the EOTF curve. There just isn't anything like the x940e to date!
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I am looking to replace our 940e too. Something bigger.....same boat. Just not sure what’s out there. Seems silly to go spend thousands to upgrade only to a 77”. Anyone finding a nice upgrade?
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Thanks to all of you who replied! I’m coming from a 50” Panasonic plasma and I’m sure any of these (X940e,X950g, q80) will feel like a major upgrade. Right now I’m leaning more toward the X940e.
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I once went from a 55” to a 60”. While the picture quality was much better, the wow factor with size was nonexistent. When I went from the 60” to a 75”, the wow factor was there for size.

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I have had the samsung q9f along with a bunch of other tvs. and i currently have the x940e,, I would say that the q90 is the better tv in almost all aspects..The x940e is a great tv in almost all areas, but it does have some serious motion issues.. Wether you will be sensitive to it or not, I don't know.. I noticed it right away, and you can not adjust it out in the settings much. . ... My x940e has just developed a defect, (vertical black bar pulsating down the right side of the screen) I am in the process of filing a claim with sony right now...
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According to Rtings.com test reports on both of these sets you mentioned :

Samsung 90R ~~~~ Sony XBR940E

Movie watching : 8.5 ~~~~ 9.0
TV shows : 8.6 ~~~~ 8.5
HDR movies : 8.5 ~~~~ 8.9
Contrast : 8.4 ~~~~ 8.9
Native contrast : 3.249:1 ~~~~ 4.941:1
Native contrast with dimming : 11.200:1 ~~~~ 11.634:1
Local dimming performance : 8.0 ~~~~ 8.5
SDR peak brightness : 9.1 ~~~~ 8.8
HDR peak brightness : 9.0 ~~~~ 9.0
Viewing angle : 6.9 ~~~~ 5.7
Black uniformity : 8.9 ~~~~ 9.3
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So, i don't understand how you can state that the "Samsung Q90 is the better TV in almost all aspects".
Besides the poor motion performance reported by Rtings.com that few others have noticed including owners and the improved viewing angle of the Q90 it appears that the 940E is a better performer.
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@R8ders2K ...silly question. Where about in the 940E menus is this DV notification under? I swear I don't recall ever seeing it. And I just checked, my TV says it has the latest firmware...
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Hi everyone! Is the X940E still a good choice considering it’s been a few years since its release? I’ve been looking for a new 75” tv and was also considering the X950G and Samsung’s Q80. Also, does anyone here have experience with Video and Audio Center? It looks like they have the X940E in stock on Amazon (and also outside of Amazon which could save a little in taxes).
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Well if it's useful. Several members of my family bought 2 x 940E sets in the last year, and both from Video and Audio Center. Both arrived unscathed!

Couldn't be happier with my own 940E. There isn't much out there that attracts me...perhaps with the advent of 8K TVs, I might be persuaded, but I'm good to go for a long while now.
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According to Rtings.com test reports on both of these sets you mentioned :

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Movie watching : 8.5 ~~~~ 9.0
TV shows : 8.6 ~~~~ 8.5
HDR movies : 8.5 ~~~~ 8.9
Contrast : 8.4 ~~~~ 8.9
Native contrast : 3.249:1 ~~~~ 4.941:1
Native contrast with dimming : 11.200:1 ~~~~ 11.634:1
Local dimming performance : 8.0 ~~~~ 8.5
SDR peak brightness : 9.1 ~~~~ 8.8
HDR peak brightness : 9.0 ~~~~ 9.0
Viewing angle : 6.9 ~~~~ 5.7
Black uniformity : 8.9 ~~~~ 9.3
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So, i don't understand how you can state that the "Samsung Q90 is the better TV in almost all aspects".
Besides the poor motion performance reported by Rtings.com that few others have noticed including owners and the improved viewing angle of the Q90 it appears that the 940E is a better performer.
Not to mention the 940e is a shadow detail monster, what this set does with maintaining killer blacks whilst not crushing shadow detail and delivering eye searing specral highlights is just incredible and makes it a very special set
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Watching 4k movies in hdr from my samsung player seem dim. Is there a setting I dont realize needs set? Brightness is maxed, local dimming high, all motion settings off, and all that, watching on cinema home, I have Eco turned off but maybe I’m missing something?
The brightest this 940E can get is with HDR10 - Custom Mode - Live Color High. You'll notice with HDR10 and custom mode only that when you turn live color to HIGH you'll get about 20% more brightness. It tracks the luminance curve way differently than other modes and settings. It gets so bright that it makes Dolby Vision content look like crap compared. Combine this with a Panny UB820 with the 1000 nit optimizer and you'll be stunned with HDR10 on this tv. Try out Pacific Rim.

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I have posted several times on this thread of how impressed i have been with my 940E after two years of ownership, however, i use my set only for HD sources (blue ray, 1080p Kodi material, etc), 1280x720 content and sometimes even SD sources such as DVD video.

After collecting hundreds of titles in each format starting around 1982 of VHS tape, VHS stereo, Super VHS, Laserdiscs, Extended Laserdiscs, DVDs and finally Blu-ray i promised myself i would never again spend extravagant amounts of money on any new format - i find blu-ray titles already offer an excellent picture for my needs - and so i have never used my 940E to watch HDR sources and i wonder how does it look on the set, specifically when it comes to elevated black levels, more visible blooming, DSE, darkened L/R corners, lightened widescreen bars, etc, due to having to increase the LED brightness to maximum or close to it.

Do any owners of the 940E have ever been disturbed by such unwanted anomalies when watching HDR content ?
When watching content on blu-ray vs. watching it on HDR, besides the expected and welcomed increase in specular brightness, are you bothered by any increase of onscreen uniformity issues ?

Just curious.....

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I have posted several times on this thread of how impressed i have been with my 940E after two years of ownership, however, i use my set only for HD sources (blue ray, 1080p Kodi material, etc), 1280x720 content and sometimes even SD sources such as DVD video.

After collecting hundreds of titles in each format starting around 1982 of VHS tape, VHS stereo, Super VHS, Laserdiscs, Extended Laserdiscs, DVDs and finally Blu-ray i promised myself i would never again spend extravagant amounts of money on any new format - i find blu-ray titles already offer an excellent picture for my needs - and so i have never used my 940E to watch HDR sources and i wonder how does it look on the set, specifically when it comes to elevated black levels, more visible blooming, DSE, darkened L/R corners, lightened widescreen bars, etc, due to having to increase the LED brightness to maximum or close to it.

Do any owners of the 940E have ever been disturbed by such unwanted anomalies when watching HDR content ?
When watching content on blu-ray vs. watching it on HDR, besides the expected and welcomed increase in specular brightness, are you bothered by any increase of onscreen uniformity issues ?

Just curious.....
When I watch this set at night with the room completely dark, if there are black bars, I can’t tell were the tv ends. When the screen goes black, it’s as if the tv is off.
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