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I'm buying the x900e tomorrow. Or do you guys think the extra $1500 is worth the 940e? Doesn't want to hit $4500...
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I'm buying the x900e tomorrow. Or do you guys think the extra $1500 is worth the 940e? Doesn't want to hit $4500...
For the Dolby Vision and more dimming zones, I would say yes. It's best to be as future proofed as possible in my humble opinion.

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I'm buying the x900e tomorrow. Or do you guys think the extra $1500 is worth the 940e? Doesn't want to hit $4500...
I bought a 75X900E, and I am loving it. The picture looks amazing, and the motion is great. HDR looks awesome! I guess it depends on how much you are willing to spend on a TV. Due to potential changes in TVs next year, like the new HDMI 2.1 standard, I didn't want to overspend this year. I consider it $1500 down on a future TV in the next 4 years. Having said that, if you are planning on keeping this TV for a long time without upgrading, or you just have the money to spend, it might be worth the extra for the 940E. I definitely would love to have the extra zones of the 940E.
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FYI the local dimming on this thing is outstanding. Yes, you can see the zones light up and some light trailing around the white dot but the performance was well above my JS9500 and thats saying something in my book.
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It is pretty impressive how thin it is compared to my js9500 and actually has a more robust fald system with noticeably better dimming algorithms.

I am messing with settings short of 2 point cal I can't seem to get the pop and vibrance my JS got me without going to vivid mode. I've always set my JS to warm1 and custom picture and everything as close to the 709 rec suggestions as I could get. I would love to get that vibrant 'smart led' affect Samsung has on this 940e. Any suggestions on how i could achieve that outside of the vivid mode?

Note: I am good with the colors being on the warm side if that's a question. I just want more depth and pop. I am already sacrificing by letting hdmi black at medium to give SOME pop but it just seems like it's lacking depth.

So far my testing is all 4K blu ray cia oppo 203. Planet earth 2 last night. Also tested Netflix and YouTube 4K but the built in apps don't seem to go higher than 1080p. YouTube says 480/720/1080 when I hit display on the remote. Netflix states 4K but not hdr. The 4K doesn't really seem to use any more than 1mbps in the on board app which tells me it's probably upscalling 1080.

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FYI the local dimming on this thing is outstanding. Yes, you can see the zones light up and some light trailing around the white dot but the performance was well above my JS9500 and thats saying something in my book.
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Did some more testing today.

For SDR, 49 Black Level is correct with Gamma -2 on all my test discs, so I am leaving it there. I also have moved down from 20 to 15 Brightness now in SDR, 20 was a little too much still.

For HDR, in Cinema Pro, I found the same as another user, that decreasing contrast a few clicks gets you more nits. At 90 contrast it clips 80-100%, its like one bar. If you drop to 85, 80% is great and 90 and 100% are one whole bar. This change also affects the nit test pattern, where instead of stalling out around 1400 or whatever, it tracks up to 2000 nits. Everything else is still pretty straight forward between the two:

HDMI Signal Format Enhanced

Wide Mode Full
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Auto Display Off
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Light Sensor Off
Brightness 15 (Max in HDR)
Contrast 85
Gamma -2
Black Level 49 SDR (50 HDR)
Black Adjust Off
Contrast Enhancer Off
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Xtend Dyn Range Off SDR (HDR Max)
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Reality Creation Off
Noise Reduction Off
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Motionflow Standard
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It is pretty impressive how thin it is compared to my js9500 and actually has a more robust fald system with noticeably better dimming algorithms.

I am messing with settings short of 2 point cal I can't seem to get the pop and vibrance my JS got me without going to vivid mode. I've always set my JS to warm1 and custom picture and everything as close to the 709 rec suggestions as I could get. I would love to get that vibrant 'smart led' affect Samsung has on this 940e. Any suggestions on how i could achieve that outside of the vivid mode?

Note: I am good with the colors being on the warm side if that's a question. I just want more depth and pop. I am already sacrificing by letting hdmi black at medium to give SOME pop but it just seems like it's lacking depth.

So far my testing is all 4K blu ray cia oppo 203. Planet earth 2 last night. Also tested Netflix and YouTube 4K but the built in apps don't seem to go higher than 1080p. YouTube says 480/720/1080 when I hit display on the remote. Netflix states 4K but not hdr. The 4K doesn't really seem to use any more than 1mbps in the on board app which tells me it's probably upscalling 1080.


Try playing around with Extended Dynamic Range. May give you the pop you're looking for.
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Did some more testing today.

For SDR, 49 Black Level is correct with Gamma -2 on all my test discs, so I am leaving it there. I also have moved down from 20 to 15 Brightness now in SDR, 20 was a little too much still.

For HDR, in Cinema Pro, I found the same as another user, that decreasing contrast a few clicks gets you more nits. At 90 contrast it clips 80-100%, its like one bar. If you drop to 85, 80% is great and 90 and 100% are one whole bar. This change also affects the nit test pattern, where instead of stalling out around 1400 or whatever, it tracks up to 2000 nits. Everything else is still pretty straight forward between the two:

HDMI Signal Format Enhanced

Wide Mode Full
Auto Wide Off
Auto Display Off
Display Area Full Pixel

Light Sensor Off
Brightness 15 (Max in HDR)
Contrast 85
Gamma -2
Black Level 49 SDR (50 HDR)
Black Adjust Off
Contrast Enhancer Off
Local Dimming Medium
Xtend Dyn Range Off SDR (HDR Max)
Color Temp Expert 1
Live Color Off
Reality Creation Off
Noise Reduction Off
Smooth Gradation Low
Motionflow Standard
CineMotion Low
man you are doing some great work over there. Couple of questions...

Motionflow standard is responsible for the slight SOA that you actually enjoy correct? So if I dont like that so much just set it to smooth? I am still uncertain as to what effect cinemotion has even though I keep changing it, not really seeing it change much.

also, would pushing local dimming to max really be bad thing? I keep seeing it recommended at medium (you and rtings).

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man you are doing some great work over there. Couple of questions...

Motionflow standard is responsible for the slight SOA that you actually enjoy correct? So if I dont like that so much just set it to smooth? I am still uncertain as to what effect cinemotion has even though I keep changing it, not really seeing it change much.

also, would pushing local dimming to max really be bad thing? I keep seeing it recommended at medium (you and rtings).
Smooth is actually worse than standard, if Standard is too much for you, then use Custom and play with the sliders.

IIRC, on my 930C, high had some negatives but I can't remember what. Medium has kinda been the go to setting.
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Hi, I have been following this discussion from the beginning and have read where some were wondering about getting the 940E or an Oled, I was like that too. About a month ago my Best Buy got both the Sony Oled and the 940E, and they were place right beside each other. To me, the difference in the black levels was not that much, the area was well lit and if it was dark, I don't know if that would of made the difference larger. For blooming there were scenes of the moon and the Sony name on a black screen. The Oled was better, but again, not that much, certainly if you had the 940E at home you would not be complaining. The big difference between the two was the size, so much more picture on the 75" 940E.
I plan on getting the 940E later in the year when there hopefully be another price reduction, especially here in Canada, were they are expensive. I hope that Dolby Vision will be added soon, I thought it would of happened by now. Do you think there is a chance they will not add it to the 2017 model ?
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Anyone experienced banding/DSE where it's bad enough to exchange the set?




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Im going to go against the grain for once and give a setting recommendation against what I know is true to what the creator intended...

I highly suggest keeping the motion setting at Smoothness: 3 and Clearness: Min
Reason? You get that 'pop' factor with clearness at min; any higher and it dulls the brightness of the screen too much imo
Smoothness of 3 is the lowest setting I could test that still allowed a scrolling text (espn,foxnews,HLN,etc.) from stuttering. It is very smooth, I am not saying its the best other than that fact alone.

I have also changed the rtings and z9d suggested settings as follows (for my personal preference, have not adjusted for UHD/HDR):
cinemotion:medium (removes additional judder, low was stated to detect 24p sources)
sharpness 60: looked better with my tivo bolt running cox sources (any lower resulted in fuzziness)
noise reduction both set to Auto (just trying this out, thought is for OTA viewing its necessary based on experience)
Color 55: I dont want to oversaturate but after changing the 2 point to the z9d recommendations I felt the colors were too flat NOTE: I have not done a calibration using a meter so obviously this is 100% YMMV
Color temp: warm, expert1 was just way to red/yellow imo, not arguing that its not correct, just more than I suspected in the red/yellow range
Brightness: 10
Black Adjust: Low (have not scene any lose in detail... yet)
Adv. Contrast: High (personal preference of course, but I like it, gives POP to the OTA material)
X-tend Dynamic Range: High (I honestly thing this goes hand in hand with adv. contrast but I am still not fully informed.. starting here for preference.

Loving this tv more and more. Thanks for the help fellas!

note: still cant get the white dot during the rtings white dot local dimming test to hold together... might need better source material. Even the on board apps are still not getting the resolution they advertise, and my oppo doesnt have apps so this is taking some trial and error. Time to upgrade to an nvidia shield?
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Im going to go against the grain for once and give a setting recommendation against what I know is true to what the creator intended...

I highly suggest keeping the motion setting at Smoothness: 3 and Clearness: Min
Reason? You get that 'pop' factor with clearness at min; any higher and it dulls the brightness of the screen too much imo
Smoothness of 3 is the lowest setting I could test that still allowed a scrolling text (espn,foxnews,HLN,etc.) from stuttering. It is very smooth, I am not saying its the best other than that fact alone.

I have also changed the rtings and z9d suggested settings as follows (for my personal preference, have not adjusted for UHD/HDR):
cinemotion:medium (removes additional judder, low was stated to detect 24p sources)
sharpness 60: looked better with my tivo bolt running cox sources (any lower resulted in fuzziness)
noise reduction both set to Auto (just trying this out, thought is for OTA viewing its necessary based on experience)
Color 55: I dont want to oversaturate but after changing the 2 point to the z9d recommendations I felt the colors were too flat NOTE: I have not done a calibration using a meter so obviously this is 100% YMMV
Color temp: warm, expert1 was just way to red/yellow imo, not arguing that its not correct, just more than I suspected in the red/yellow range
Brightness: 10
Black Adjust: Low (have not scene any lose in detail... yet)
Adv. Contrast: High (personal preference of course, but I like it, gives POP to the OTA material)
X-tend Dynamic Range: High (I honestly thing this goes hand in hand with adv. contrast but I am still not fully informed.. starting here for preference.

Loving this tv more and more. Thanks for the help fellas!

note: still cant get the white dot during the rtings white dot local dimming test to hold together... might need better source material. Even the on board apps are still not getting the resolution they advertise, and my oppo doesnt have apps so this is taking some trial and error. Time to upgrade to an nvidia shield?
Them's just the perks of owning it!

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Watched several episodes of last chance u in 4k tonight, man, the PQ is outstanding.
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The blacks and picture quality are just unreal at times on this thing! I've watched a few movies now most recently being "Girl on the Train" and "XXX (The return of Xzander cage)" both were Blurays and I'm just in disbelief. Last weekend it was "John Wick 2 "which show cased its HDR prowess and just color me flat out overly impressed. Can't wait till DV but looks like Gaurdians of the Galaxy 2 will be a treat along with Alien Covenant and the release of Prometheus in 4k as well this month
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I'm amazed how crisp the resolution is at 4K, while streaming a 4K source. I wonder if some of what I am seeing is allowing me to take better benefit of the enhanced resolution from my distance, but the video processing is still great. This handles lower quality sources and motion way better than the OLED, plus not artifacting that is blatantly obvious.

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*OFFICIAL* 2017 Sony XBR-X940E - Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)

https://www.theverge.com/platform/am...support-rumors

Hopefully this is true and Sony gets us that promised DV update. A new Apple TV with 4K HDR (including DV) would pair nicely with the 940E and make me ditch my one month old Nvidia Shield in a heartbeat.


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I wish someone would offer a 4K rental purchase service with ALL new flicks, around 15-20 mbps down. Id consider not buying discs, but Vudu and everyone else only has partial inventory thanks to studios. Apple might could get this done.

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I wish someone would offer a 4K rental purchase service with ALL new flicks, around 15-20 mbps down. Id consider not buying discs, but Vudu and everyone else only has partial inventory thanks to studios. Apple might could get this done.
While that would be great I'm still a hardcore disc man as a secondary option its fine but for reference and critical viewing its disc (or any other method ,hard drive usb ,hologram crystal etc..) for the foreseeable future
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It's way below that price already on the street......
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So I finally have this set mounted and I'll say that with the admittedly limited bit of viewing we've done, I'm quite impressed.

I don't watch test patterns, and have learned over the years not to run torture tests and what not trying to find "flaws". Every set has some issues, and once you see them in a test pattern they're hard to ignore and spoil the experience.

This is the family room TV and the room can vary from quite bright in the daytime, to fairly dark with maybe one light on in the adjoining kitchen for "movie night". We mainly watch through the apps on the TV, (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO, Showtime etc.) and the occasional UHD disc via the Sony X800.

Getting started I have put it in "Cinema Home" and lowered the brightness to 15, and set hdmi to enhanced. It looks great but I'm sure there are some settings I could change to better optimize it.

I know that this is a bit lazy, but there's 75 pages here.. I'm looking for settings that work well on a wide variety of content. Is there a general consensus on some settings that should be made in most circumstances? I hesitate to just blindly apply the settings from an online review calibration because they are often optimized for a dark room, and ideal source material, which just isn't the reality for our use and environment.

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Hopefully this is true and Sony gets us that promised DV update. A new Apple TV with 4K HDR (including DV) would pair nicely with the 940E and make me ditch my one month old Nvidia Shield in a heartbeat.


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Yep. That would definitely bring me back to Apple TV. The only reasons that it was banished to the guest bedroom was the lack of amazon app and 4K. I'd love to have it back.

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I'm buying the x900e tomorrow. Or do you guys think the extra $1500 is worth the 940e? Doesn't want to hit $4500...
It's way below that price already on the street......
I have to get it at best buy. Have a 2500 gift card. Btw where is it cheaper?
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im tempted to buy a shield.. maybe sell me yours when you get the apple tv? lol

I ditched my apple tv when the 2nd gen came out and I wasnt any more impressed with that than I was a $29 chromecast...
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anyone with the oppo 203 come to the appropriate 'target luminance'?

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im tempted to buy a shield.. maybe sell me yours when you get the apple tv? lol



I ditched my apple tv when the 2nd gen came out and I wasnt any more impressed with that than I was a $29 chromecast...


Shield is okay, but the lack of HDR on YouTube and lack of DV annoys me. Plus the lack of an IR receiver on the base $200 model is ridiculous. Tried Flirc to remedy that, but it wouldn't work. Never used an Apple TV, but hear they respond quickly, like the Shield.


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Shield is okay, but the lack of HDR on YouTube and lack of DV annoys me. Plus the lack of an IR receiver on the base $200 model is ridiculous. Tried Flirc to remedy that, but it wouldn't work. Never used an Apple TV, but hear they respond quickly, like the Shield.


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YouTube only provides HDR to a few select Samsung TV's and of course Chromecast. I would presume Apple would be in the same empty boat.
Flirc works on my Shield but I now use my Harmony. I'm still hoping Nvidia will support DV but if they don't I'll move to something else.

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im tempted to buy a shield.. maybe sell me yours when you get the apple tv? lol

I ditched my apple tv when the 2nd gen came out and I wasnt any more impressed with that than I was a $29 chromecast...
I own 5 of them. They're the ultimate "extender" that is what every HTPC enthusiast had/has waited for for years now... I love them.
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