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post #2161 of 9424 Old 08-06-2017, 07:17 PM
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Hopefully this is true and Sony gets us that promised DV update. A new Apple TV with 4K HDR (including DV) would pair nicely with the 940E and make me ditch my one month old Nvidia Shield in a heartbeat.


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Would be a big step backwards for me and my setup, but to each their own with provolone...

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Plus the lack of an IR receiver on the base $200 model is ridiculous. Tried Flirc to remedy that, but it wouldn't work. Never used an Apple TV, but hear they respond quickly, like the Shield.


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I use FLIRC on 2 of my 5 Shields, with no problems on either application... Dunno what say beyond that.
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Well, IMO, the 940 passes the dark room letterbox test and I was impressed. Watched the new Kong movie, the local dimming algorithm and design on this thing is a winner, definitely goes in line with what others have said.
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man you are doing some great work over there. Couple of questions...

Motionflow standard is responsible for the slight SOA that you actually enjoy correct? So if I dont like that so much just set it to smooth? I am still uncertain as to what effect cinemotion has even though I keep changing it, not really seeing it change much.

also, would pushing local dimming to max really be bad thing? I keep seeing it recommended at medium (you and rtings).
The SOA is mosly caused by Film mode on Medium or high.
On Low its not to bad on standard or even smooth. But smooth makes it slightly worse.
If you go to medium then Smooth is much smoother then Standard but then you can clearly see the SOA effect.

I use Custom with smoothness 3 clearness 0 and Film mode Low. Its similar to standard film mode low.
If you dont need max brightness (and turn it down to 20 anyway) you can use clearness 1-2 to improve motion further.
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The SOA is mosly caused by Film mode on Medium or high.
On Low its not to bad on standard or even smooth. But smooth makes it slightly worse.
If you go to medium then Smooth is much smoother then Standard but then you can clearly see the SOA effect.

I use Custom with smoothness 3 clearness 0 and Film mode Low. Its similar to standard film mode low.
If you dont need max brightness (and turn it down to 20 anyway) you can use clearness 1-2 to improve motion further.
outstanding explanation, thank you! I will play with this tonight.

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outstanding explanation, thank you! I will play with this tonight.
You can also try film mode medium with smoothness 1-2.
have not tried 1-2 yet but medium with smoothness 3 gave me some artifacts in certain situations and because of that it was a no go for me.
But did like the smoothness in most cases. Smoothness 4 made it to smooth to much SOA.

Cant wait for good 48p movies because 24p is just not fast enough for some peoples eyes for me its not smooth even when the playback is correct. For me 24p is alway's jittery.

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Smoothness 3 is real close to Standard, I think it may have a slight edge in being a little more smooth. I need to try it after using Standard for a week. Ive just kept cinemotion on low.

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Hi, I have been following this discussion from the beginning and have read where some were wondering about getting the 940E or an Oled, I was like that too. About a month ago my Best Buy got both the Sony Oled and the 940E, and they were place right beside each other. To me, the difference in the black levels was not that much, the area was well lit and if it was dark, I don't know if that would of made the difference larger. For blooming there were scenes of the moon and the Sony name on a black screen. The Oled was better, but again, not that much, certainly if you had the 940E at home you would not be complaining. The big difference between the two was the size, so much more picture on the 75" 940E.
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I own an E6, the 940E, and owned the EF9500. The 940E is pricey but for a 75", it does it all right enough that I do not miss OLED at all.

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Just a follow up on pic settings. One thing I do not like is that when using say Cinema Pro for SDR and HDR, certain things have to be changed each time because they carry over (why Sony, why???). So, I reread 10k's post in the ZD9 thread with his pattern observations, and used the 1080p disc I have and Masciola's HDR patterns to check stuff out, and here is how I will run everything until Chad B can make it out. Using Pro for SDR and Home for HDR to make life simple:

Wide Mode Full and Display Area Full Pixel (not applicable with a 2160p input)
Enhanced mode on for HDMI inputs

Setting---Pro(SDR)---Home(HDR)

Brightness---15---Max
Contrast---90---95
Gamma---(-2)---0
Black Level---49---50
Black Adj---Off on both
Contrast Enh---Off on both
Local Dim---Medium on both
X Dyn Range---Off---High

Color---50 on both
Hue---0 on both
Color Temp---Expert 1 on both
Live Color---Off on both

Sharpness---50 on both
Reality---Off on both
Noise Red---Off on both
Smooth Grad---Low on both

Motionflow---Custom Smooth 3 Clear 0 on both

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Light Sensor---Off (only applies to SDR)
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Just a follow up on pic settings. One thing I do not like is that when using say Cinema Pro for SDR and HDR, certain things have to be changed each time because they carry over (why Sony, why???). So, I reread 10k's post in the ZD9 thread with his pattern observations, and used the 1080p disc I have and Masciola's HDR patterns to check stuff out, and here is how I will run everything until Chad B can make it out. Using Pro for SDR and Home for HDR to make life simple:

Wide Mode Full and Display Area Full Pixel (not applicable with a 2160p input)
Enhanced mode on for HDMI inputs

Setting---Pro(SDR)---Home(HDR)

Brightness---15---Max
Contrast---90---95
Gamma---(-2)---0
Black Level---49---50
Black Adj---Off on both
Contrast Enh---Off on both
Local Dim---Medium on both
X Dyn Range---Off---High

Color---50 on both
Hue---0 on both
Color Temp---Expert 1 on both
Live Color---Off on both

Sharpness---50 on both
Reality---Off on both
Noise Red---Off on both
Smooth Grad---Low on both

Motionflow---Custom Smooth 3 Clear 0 on both

Video Options---All 3 on Auto on both

Light Sensor---Off (only applies to SDR)
Thanks for the settings, i for one appreciate you guys that have a good understanding on how some of these settings change and affect the picture and performance. I have never really watched a calibrated TV before and as i change from the plain factory settings using standard mode and flipping between pro and home they all look wrong to me and end up going back to standard.
I have a few different versions of yours guys settings that i would like to try now and give myself some time to watch in both UHD and SDR so i can kind of train my eyes to what it should look like versus the factory standard.
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Thanks for the settings, i for one appreciate you guys that have a good understanding on how some of these settings change and affect the picture and performance. I have never really watched a calibrated TV before and as i change from the plain factory settings using standard mode and flipping between pro and home they all look wrong to me and end up going back to standard.
I have a few different versions of yours guys settings that i would like to try now and give myself some time to watch in both UHD and SDR so i can kind of train my eyes to what it should look like versus the factory standard.
I'm pretty happy with it, it is obvious it needs a calibration (white balance) when I see brighter shots and bright sky, looks a little bluish. But from what I understand, these are close enough to be happy out of the box and for the most part the white balance looks pretty good.

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Hey guys, I just want to ask if anyone experiance this kind of issue. I know it is 930E my TV just wondering. I have only connected to TV HDMI3 from AVR to TV. If I switch inputs on TV HDMI 1,2,4 and nothing is connected to it I receive those lines on 1/2 top screen. I just don't know if this is screen issue or something what I don't need to be worry about.
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Hey guys, I just want to ask if anyone experiance this kind of issue. I know it is 930E my TV just wondering. I have only connected to TV HDMI3 from AVR to TV. If I switch inputs on TV HDMI 1,2,4 and nothing is connected to it I receive those lines on 1/2 top screen. I just don't know if this is screen issue or something what I don't need to be worry about.
Mine looks pretty uniform, but I get up close I can see some wavy like lines. Nothing I see in content.

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Mine looks pretty uniform, but I get up close I can see some wavy like lines. Nothing I see in content.
Thanks my friend for fast response, do you think this is displey issue?

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I dont think so, especially if it does not show in content.

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Hi all, Has anyone had any similar issues with a black horizontal line across the screen as well as a vertical red line on the right side?

There doesn't seem to be many posts with quality issues, but after three months the lines appeared on the screen from all sources & menus and having gotten the extended warranty I was able to just swap out for another set. But a month later the 2nd set developed the same lines in nearly the same areas.

The first three months I was extremely happy with the 940e and I am wondering if I just got 2 lemons or if I should start inquiring about a different model altogether?
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Hi all, Has anyone had any similar issues with a black horizontal line across the screen as well as a vertical red line on the right side?

There doesn't seem to be many posts with quality issues, but after three months the lines appeared on the screen from all sources & menus and having gotten the extended warranty I was able to just swap out for another set. But a month later the 2nd set developed the same lines in nearly the same areas.

The first three months I was extremely happy with the 940e and I am wondering if I just got 2 lemons or if I should start inquiring about a different model altogether?
That looks bad
I have not seen anything like that before. I only have had my screen for like 2 months now so far so good.
Maybe its some kind of manufacturing error in the first series? but i guess we should have seen more reports then. Did you contact sony about this? im curious what they say about two screens having similar issues.

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ran into a harmony remote issue last night, and the tv was turning itself on....

so quick remedy for tv turning itself on... turn of 'remote start' in the network settings section

it appears the harmony (at least elite) is sending a specific IR frequency to the TIVO BOLT that the sony is also seeing as a command. Either that or there are some very annoying 'smart' features harmony has built into the exit/home buttons specifically for sony (might be possible based on this: https://support.myharmony.com/en-us/...-sony-smart-tv) Scroll to 'Using Sony Smart TV'

any one have experience with the remote issue, I cant figure out how to turn it off, but its literally starting to freeze up my sony while I use my remote for the TIVO

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ran into a harmony remote issue last night, and the tv was turning itself on....

so quick remedy for tv turning itself on... turn of 'remote start' in the network settings section

it appears the harmony (at least elite) is sending a specific IR frequency to the TIVO BOLT that the sony is also seeing as a command. Either that or there are some very annoying 'smart' features harmony has built into the exit/home buttons specifically for sony (might be possible based on this: https://support.myharmony.com/en-us/...-sony-smart-tv) Scroll to 'Using Sony Smart TV'

any one have experience with the remote issue, I cant figure out how to turn it off, but its literally starting to freeze up my sony while I use my remote for the TIVO
I do believe I have read similar before. I can't recall if it is with regard to the 940E or the Z9D... But either which way, a Sony with the x1 extreme processor...

Is HDMI-CEC off on the TV? When you have already have a robust Harmony remote to group activities together and control multiple devices simultaneously under one activity, I don't think CEC does much/anything for you anymore... Maybe make sure that's turned off?
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Hey guys, I just want to ask if anyone experiance this kind of issue. I know it is 930E my TV just wondering. I have only connected to TV HDMI3 from AVR to TV. If I switch inputs on TV HDMI 1,2,4 and nothing is connected to it I receive those lines on 1/2 top screen. I just don't know if this is screen issue or something what I don't need to be worry about.
I've had that but I think it is just with that menu only. So there is a point where one might ask if those lines are the design of the background of the menu but they make us go crazy thinking we are seeing banding. Earlier in this thread, like much earlier a lot more people were saying they saw banding on this menu. But I really think that it is just how the menu is designed. And when the brightness is turned up a certain way we see it more than others. Because the fact is, I never see banding in other scenes. Only there. And when people complain about banding on this tv, it is normally about this menu. Anyway, just my observation.
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Just a follow up on pic settings. One thing I do not like is that when using say Cinema Pro for SDR and HDR, certain things have to be changed each time because they carry over (why Sony, why???). So, I reread 10k's post in the ZD9 thread with his pattern observations, and used the 1080p disc I have and Masciola's HDR patterns to check stuff out, and here is how I will run everything until Chad B can make it out. Using Pro for SDR and Home for HDR to make life simple:

Wide Mode Full and Display Area Full Pixel (not applicable with a 2160p input)
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Setting---Pro(SDR)---Home(HDR)

Brightness---15---Max
Contrast---90---95
Gamma---(-2)---0
Black Level---49---50
Black Adj---Off on both
Contrast Enh---Off on both
Local Dim---Medium on both
X Dyn Range---Off---High

Color---50 on both
Hue---0 on both
Color Temp---Expert 1 on both
Live Color---Off on both

Sharpness---50 on both
Reality---Off on both
Noise Red---Off on both
Smooth Grad---Low on both

Motionflow---Custom Smooth 3 Clear 0 on both

Video Options---All 3 on Auto on both

Light Sensor---Off (only applies to SDR)
So you don't think advanced contrast, black adjust and extended dynamic range should be on? I just feel like those options make the picture better. I've turned them off and the picture just looks so dull. I know to each his own, but I was just curious your reason for them being off. Is there a advantage in your opinion?
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Hi all, Has anyone had any similar issues with a black horizontal line across the screen as well as a vertical red line on the right side?

There doesn't seem to be many posts with quality issues, but after three months the lines appeared on the screen from all sources & menus and having gotten the extended warranty I was able to just swap out for another set. But a month later the 2nd set developed the same lines in nearly the same areas.

The first three months I was extremely happy with the 940e and I am wondering if I just got 2 lemons or if I should start inquiring about a different model altogether?
Looks like a bad panel to me.

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So you don't think advanced contrast, black adjust and extended dynamic range should be on? I just feel like those options make the picture better. I've turned them off and the picture just looks so dull. I know to each his own, but I was just curious your reason for them being off. Is there a advantage in your opinion?
Those are features I generally leave off. I understand what they do, but it is a YMMV. I also know the calibrator is going to cut them off anyways. Basically, with any design, you have the base performance, and then these menu bells and whistles, like noise reduction, I tend to leave them off.
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So you don't think advanced contrast, black adjust and extended dynamic range should be on? I just feel like those options make the picture better. I've turned them off and the picture just looks so dull. I know to each his own, but I was just curious your reason for them being off. Is there a advantage in your opinion?
I really like the Xtended Dynamic range feature. contrast is better. Highlights are brighter. Did the test with the star scene and Xtended Dynamic range was not the cause for the dimming. It improved the overall look.

So i leave it turned on.

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I really like the Xtended Dynamic range feature. contrast is better. Highlights are brighter. Did the test with the star scene and Xtended Dynamic range was not the cause for the dimming. It improved the overall look.

So i leave it turned on.


Oh I know, I don't think xtended dynamic is causing it either LOL. I leave it on now too. I don't know what was causing it because it doesn't happen on anything else. I love that feature, though not on high. Did you test it on
Arrival? On the scene where they were in the tent writing on the white board? That was by far the worst scene. I don't know if the darkening was a mixture of xtended or advanced contrast and the "clearness" being turned on under the motion menu. Something like that as I no longer have "clearness" turned on. But I no longer have that movie either to test that feature combination so who knows.


Anyway, the bottom line is I use xtended dynamic on low or medium and I think it adds so much to the picture. Now, on high I believe it causes blooming to scenes where a bright object is close to a dark object.


I don't feel that saying these features are on the same lines of adding noise to the picture as the noise reduction features under the Clarity menus (not that you said that but the other poster did). When I came to this TV from a OLED, I tried to get it as close to the blacks I had on an OLED. So what I did was lower the black level to around 45. Then upped the advanced contrast and xtended dynamic and all of the sudden the blacks were as close OLED as it gets. Without those features on, the blacks just seem more gray and flat. I am just so surprised when people want them off altogether. Anyway, like I said before, to each his own. It is just great to have a TV that allows to have it both ways.
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Hi all, Has anyone had any similar issues with a black horizontal line across the screen as well as a vertical red line on the right side?

There doesn't seem to be many posts with quality issues, but after three months the lines appeared on the screen from all sources & menus and having gotten the extended warranty I was able to just swap out for another set. But a month later the 2nd set developed the same lines in nearly the same areas.

The first three months I was extremely happy with the 940e and I am wondering if I just got 2 lemons or if I should start inquiring about a different model altogether?
Look's like a bad screen to me if that is in all content. It happens on any display out there.
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I really like the Xtended Dynamic range feature. contrast is better. Highlights are brighter. Did the test with the star scene and Xtended Dynamic range was not the cause for the dimming. It improved the overall look.

So i leave it turned on.
Yeah, i also use XDR on low with SDR material, for example watching GOT last episode with the fireplace scene, with it off fire looks a bit dull, but on low it looks like a real flame.

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I own Sony XBR-X75940E and I am very pleased for the most part. I have come across one problem that I find to be very aggravating. I find that it is not really compatible with Apple TV 4. I have looked everywhere for a solution to my problem but find the only way to get to work is to unplug it and plug it back in which is not a good solution. I have the Apple TV hooked up to HDMI 4 directly to the TV with a high quality cable. I have searched the net and find many solutions that really don’t work and in fact I found some that say Apple TV in not comparable with this TV. If anyone knows a solution please let me know as I have purchased several Itune movies the past few years.
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considering this tv, and a big user of the Apple TV 4, was wondering if you were able to resolve your issue?
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I found it in the ZD9 thread (Fake HDR) under 10K's settings. I have heard good things about their fake HDR, so maybe I will try low on SDR.

Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off (can enhance picture in many cases, sometimes causes loss of shadow detail. Start with low and experiment with what you like)
Xtended Dynamic Range Off (anything but off engages a "fake HDR" mode. Try Low and see if you like it)


Sounds like low is a good option to try on both.

The contrast enhancer from what I read analyzes each frame's dark and light points and makes the adjustment according to what is on the screen. I assume this is kinda what dynamic HDR does. Xtended Dynamic range just seems to note darker areas and dim the led more and then adds pop by brightening the led's in lit areas, giving you more perceived POP.

I figure both together attempt to make SDR like dynamic HDR. Not sure the point of xtended dyn range settings in HDR mode, I mean it should be in that mode anyways, but everyone seems to use High. Curious as to how Contrast Enhancer behaves in HDR too.

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