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I've never understood this line of thinking. I paid good money for my system, I'm going to use it. Even if it's just the news, voices are so much more intelligible than on TV speakers.
The TV speakers handle basic things well enough for me. No need to waste electricity firing up the surround equipment when it really isn't needed.
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The TV speakers handle basic things well enough for me. No need to waste electricity firing up the surround equipment when it really isn't needed.
I have them so I use them for everything. Most shows now are DD5.1 and even if they aren't the upconvert work very well IMO. To each their own. I haven't used builtin speakers on my main watching room since the late 90's lol.
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I'm actually surprised to hear a lot of conversation about the built-in apps and speakers. I guess I always assumed that for the "main" television area (living room, home theater, etc), you use dedicated equipment - surround sound setups, Fire TV/Apple TV/Roku, etc. I know I certainly do, so it doesn't matter to me at all what the TV itself has, I won't use it - except maybe if it was a bedroom TV or something.

Anyway, I've never been ready to buy at the beginning of a product cycle before, and I want to grab the M70-E3, probably in two weeks or so. Will everywhere end up sticking to the $1999 MSRP for awhile? Or is there somewhere I should keep an eye on that may sell it cheaper? (I do have a 5% off coupon from Vizio direct since I haven't purchased from them before). When do we expect reviews to start popping up? And an official owners thread and calibration tips, etc?
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You're welcome to use whatever you want, but you can't get DV from any of those external devices. (except a chromecast ultra)

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Part of the reason I skipped the M series last year and didn't replace my ST 60 was its lack of wide colour gamut. With the 2017 model having it I might be tempted to make the switch. Or I may just go with the P-Series. I bought a KS8000 last year for my computer room and while I love the colour the light bleed at night is atrocious.

Of course my avr is an RX A840 so HDR is kind of a moot point anyway so I may want to upgrade that first!

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Why is HDR moot?
You can cast Vudu, Netflix in DV, you can stream Amazon in HDR10 (requires external device) and YouTube HDR as well (needs a chromecast ultra).
None of these support the more advanced audio formats, and should work just fine over an optical (or ARC) connection to the display.
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Why is HDR moot?
You can cast Vudu, Netflix in DV, you can stream Amazon in HDR10 (requires external device) and YouTube HDR as well (needs a chromecast ultra).
None of these support the more advanced audio formats, and should work just fine over an optical (or ARC) connection to the display.
I guess I didn't think about that regarding advanced audio formats. I thought by doing optical I'd be giving up a decent chunk of audio quality on 4K UHD or blu ray. Then again it's a lot more cost effective solution and gets me the new format without buying a new AVR right away and I by no means have an audiophile's ear so I doubt I'd notice a difference.

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I guess I didn't think about that regarding advanced audio formats. I thought by doing optical I'd be giving up a decent chunk of audio quality on 4K UHD or blu ray. Then again it's a lot more cost effective solution and gets me the new format without buying a new AVR right away and I by no means have an audiophile's ear so I doubt I'd notice a difference.
There is one caveat. You can use ARC to output DD+, which is a compressed version of Atmos, this is supported by Netflix (maybe others too, I haven't checked). You can't get that through optical on most receivers.
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Would love to get some numbers on the P-Series Pro set. What's the Nits level these hit, Color space/volume percentages etc. I've never owned a Vizio before so not sure how much of an improvement this would be compared to my KS9800. Considering upgrading to a 75 DV set for cheap this year!
If you're concerned with brightness then you're best to stick with your Samsung. From what I've read the P65 nit levels are quite a bit lower than the peak on the Samsung that you have. Better blacks though! (supposedly)
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[quote=ray0414;52503953]Q7 ON THE RIGHT 😂

Is that black and white?




What displays are these? (which on left, which on right?)
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Any reviews yet? Curious to see how this screen compares with the 2017 LG OLED and Samsung QLED. I'm looking for the best 4K picture quality for movies and lowest input lag for HDR gaming.

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Any reviews yet? Curious to see how this screen compares with the 2017 LG OLED and Samsung QLED. I'm looking for the best 4K picture quality for movies and lowest input lag for HDR gaming.


Reviews of the P series? It's the same hardware as 2016 Models. Reviews while behind in some aspects of performance will be behind, I doubt there will be new ones.
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this looks like the tv to get in my price range. question...how do you tell the 2017 m-series models from the older ones in the store? do they have different model numbers?
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Yes, the suffix starts with an 'E' rather than 'D'
Like M65-D0 vs M65-E0

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Being that Visio is giving the remote for free to Beta users, and all of us P owners will get firmware updates to add the features coming with the 2017 models (including the onscreen apps, per the Visio website), it make sense that they will be available to all, at least when that firmware comes out this summer. And even if you have to pay for it, it will probably be very inexpensive.
I am one of the beta users. How are we getting free remotes?
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I am one of the beta users. How are we getting free remotes?

Just send an email to [email protected] requesting it, along with the s/n of your TV. You may not get a response unless they have a question, but they will send the remote. I got mine in less than a week. They will make sure you are a beta tester and have the beta firmware before they ship it to you.
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Just send an email to [email protected] requesting it, along with the s/n of your TV. You may not get a response unless they have a question, but they will send the remote. I got mine in less than a week. They will make sure you are a beta tester and have the beta firmware before they ship it to you.
How do you get into the beta program anyway?
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Just send an email to [email protected] requesting it, along with the s/n of your TV. You may not get a response unless they have a question, but they will send the remote. I got mine in less than a week. They will make sure you are a beta tester and have the beta firmware before they ship it to you.
Hopefully im still on the list from December. 3.2.8.4 is a beta right?
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3.2.8.3, and it hasn't been in beta for almost a month now. You can already download it from Vizio's website.

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Just send an email to [email protected] requesting it, along with the s/n of your TV. You may not get a response unless they have a question, but they will send the remote. I got mine in less than a week. They will make sure you are a beta tester and have the beta firmware before they ship it to you.
I got a 550- Administrative block undeliverable message on my email........
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I got a 550- Administrative block undeliverable message on my email........
Nevermind, may have had trouble with it being sent from a phone or I didn't have a proper subject line. I got through second time.
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Final Decisions

Our 10+ year old Sony 60" HDTV is finally ready for replacement. I've been doing a lot of research on UHD HDR brands/models and I like the P65. My wife and I plan to purchase a set within the next 3 weeks.

I'm the one interested in UHD & HDR and I feel certain the P65 gives everything I want. My wife on the other hand couldn't care less about UHD/HDR and just wants to get back to the quality HD from Comcast/Xfinity. She says she will leave the decision on what to buy up to me. But I've spent most of my time researching the 4k/HDR stuff.

So, I have two questions I should deal with before making a final decision. First, am I going to get any grief from my wife about a loss of quality with normal content from Comcast compared to our Sony HDTV? I think ABC and Fox are still doing content in 720p, so will my wife see as good a picture on the P65 after upscaling as on the Sony HDTV? She also likes a lot of the old TV and movies that are on the broadcast channels. The couple of things I found in the forum about upscaling didn't leave me certain about how my wife would feel about this unit. She would be happy with a basic HDTV so we don't need upscaling that makes HD content look like UHD. But if I spend $2000 on a monitor and her programs come out looking more blurry, grainy, or generally worse compared to our 2006 60" HDTV I may never hear the end of it.

The second question comes from never having owned a Vizio product. We bought our 60” Sony in early 2006 and it maintained quality for almost 10 years. I have a 40” Samsung HDTV that I’ve used constantly as my computer monitor and occasionally for streaming Comcast/Amazon/Netflix content since 2009. Both models I'd rate as very dependable. But I’m really liking all I’ve read and seen about the Vizio P series. The P65 is just superior at this price point in my opinion so it is my first choice of the current 'next generation' hardware. So any feedback on what to expect about Vizio dependability?

Any feedback will be appreciated.
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It seems like the conversation in this thread kind of dropped off. I know there's an Official 2016/2017 P Series Owners Thread, is there an Official 2017 M-Series Owners Thread yet? I am looking to purchase the M70-E3 either late this week or early next week. I'm hoping it's the right decision, I think it is.
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It seems like the conversation in this thread kind of dropped off. I know there's an Official 2016/2017 P Series Owners Thread, is there an Official 2017 M-Series Owners Thread yet? I am looking to purchase the M70-E3 either late this week or early next week. I'm hoping it's the right decision, I think it is.
No one owns the 2017 M yet so I don't think one has been started​ yet.

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No one owns the 2017 M yet so I don't think one has been started​ yet.
I was wondering that. I know they have been up to order on Vizio's site for a few weeks but I don't know how shipping and delivery work on there. (And of course now the M70-E3 is out of stock!)
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Well I'm going to pick up the 55" in a bit! Hopefully I'm happy with it
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Our 10+ year old Sony 60" HDTV is finally ready for replacement. I've been doing a lot of research on UHD HDR brands/models and I like the P65. My wife and I plan to purchase a set within the next 3 weeks.

I'm the one interested in UHD & HDR and I feel certain the P65 gives everything I want. My wife on the other hand couldn't care less about UHD/HDR and just wants to get back to the quality HD from Comcast/Xfinity. She says she will leave the decision on what to buy up to me. But I've spent most of my time researching the 4k/HDR stuff.

So, I have two questions I should deal with before making a final decision. First, am I going to get any grief from my wife about a loss of quality with normal content from Comcast compared to our Sony HDTV? I think ABC and Fox are still doing content in 720p, so will my wife see as good a picture on the P65 after upscaling as on the Sony HDTV? She also likes a lot of the old TV and movies that are on the broadcast channels. The couple of things I found in the forum about upscaling didn't leave me certain about how my wife would feel about this unit. She would be happy with a basic HDTV so we don't need upscaling that makes HD content look like UHD. But if I spend $2000 on a monitor and her programs come out looking more blurry, grainy, or generally worse compared to our 2006 60" HDTV I may never hear the end of it.

The second question comes from never having owned a Vizio product. We bought our 60” Sony in early 2006 and it maintained quality for almost 10 years. I have a 40” Samsung HDTV that I’ve used constantly as my computer monitor and occasionally for streaming Comcast/Amazon/Netflix content since 2009. Both models I'd rate as very dependable. But I’m really liking all I’ve read and seen about the Vizio P series. The P65 is just superior at this price point in my opinion so it is my first choice of the current 'next generation' hardware. So any feedback on what to expect about Vizio dependability?

Any feedback will be appreciated.
I have seen quite a few complaints on social media about reliability once you get past the 1.5-2 year mark, so your best bet is to buy an extended warranty when you purchase one. If you buy it from Costco, you'll get the Square Trade warranty+Costco's two year coverage. That gives you a total of 5 years of coverage.
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If you buy it from Costco, you'll get the Square Trade warranty+Costco's two year coverage. That gives you a total of 5 years of coverage.
Additionally, if you buy from Costco with the Costco Citi card, you automatically get double the standard 2-year from Costco, then if you add the ST extended warranty on top of that, you get 7 total years!! Costco really is the absolute best place to buy a TV, with those lengthy warranties and the 90 day return period.
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Additionally, if you buy from Costco with the Costco Citi card, you automatically get double the standard 2-year from Costco, then if you add the ST extended warranty on top of that, you get 7 total years!! Costco really is the absolute best place to buy a TV, with those lengthy warranties and the 90 day return period.
@audacious nick & @theboomr ;

Thanks, that's great info about Costco I wasn't aware of. I have the Costco Citi card so that definitely sounds like a good deal. I was looking at Best Buy's 5 year Fix or Replace warranty which at the P65 current price would be an additional $350. It looks like the Costco + Costco Citi Card + Costco-Square Trade 7 year plan would only be $90. I did like the fact that BB would haul off our old TV for $15 but a $260 savings on the warranty and an additional two years of warranty coverage is hard to beat.

Now I just need to find a P65 hooked to a standard HDTV feed to make sure my wife will be satisfied with non-UHD content. The only one we found on display was at BB and it was only showing UHD HDR displays.
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