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Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the Vizio P75-C1 be far superior than any of these new TLCs?
Ya the vizio is surely a much much better TV, not sure why someone would be cross shopping these really.
Is the Roku system more attractive, more reliable, and easy to use as opposed to the Smartcast that has been apparently been frustrating some people?
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Where did you hear that? At least for the P series TCL is making the claim its going to be one of the brightest HDR tv's in 2017.
Not HDR. One of the brightest "Dolby vision" tv's in 2017.
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Is the Roku system more attractive, more reliable, and easy to use as opposed to the Smartcast that has been apparently been frustrating some people?
I personally prefer casting over an on screen interface, ive been using chromecasts since the first one came out and very rarely have i ever had a problem (first gen would lose connection to remote sometimes, havent seen that in years tho). Its just so much easier to do a search on a phone than on a tv imo, voice search does alleviate that somewhat tho if its done well. I watch a lot of youtube and its just so much easier using your phone to browse and toss it on your TV imo.
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Oh dont care about the C lol, neither should anyone else on this forum.
Not sure why you say that? He says for the first half of the year the C series is their flagship TV.

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Not HDR. One of the brightest "Dolby vision" tv's in 2017.
Right, important distinction. Although i do hope the P gets brighter than the 400 max that they are claiming for the C.
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Not sure why you say that? He says for the first half of the year the C series is their flagship TV.

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Because the C is edgelit with no local dimming, it will be an inferior TV in terms of picture quality. (that is assuming they got local dimming algorithm "right" on the P)
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Because the C is edgelit with no local dimming, it will be an inferior TV in terms of picture quality. (that is assuming they got local dimming algorithm "right" on the P)
That's not a guarantee. Some of the Sony edge lit TV have better PQ than poorly done fald. Either way, I have a Samsung KS8500 so I'm not in the market for my main viewing but a bedroom TV that doesn't break the bank is interesting.

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That's not a guarantee. Some of the Sony edge lit TV have better PQ than poorly done fald. Either way, I have a Samsung KS8500 so I'm not in the market for my main viewing but a bedroom TV that doesn't break the bank is interesting.

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I dunno man, how many edgelit LCD's have you come across that have truly black bars when watch movies? That alone to me makes fald the superior option. Note my disclaimer as well, that assumes they know what they are doing with FALD.
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Truly black? None!! But depending on if the edge lit is on top and bottom or on the sides makes a difference with the black bars.

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If the panels are only going to be 8 bit then how could they possibly cover "nearly the entire P3 color spectrum" (somewhat paraphrasing), as claimed?

I mean, can't you pretty much not have actual "wide color gamut" unless the TV has a 10-bit (or higher, in the future) panel?
The phosphors (or QDs) give you the WCG not the bit depth of the panel. 10 bit does reduces banding compared to 8 bit.
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Working on getting a 65" P-Series to profile/review. No guarantees, but talking to TCL about it.
That would be an awesome get. There is going to be a ton of interest in this display at the projected price points. If they live up to the hype they are going to put a serious hurt on Vizios lower end in the 50-65" sizes.
Still, if given the choice I would rather see a review of the Hisense 7510HD game changer. Anything that would water down the Kool-Aid they are drinking over in the Sony OLED would be welcome. We might just see the first FALD QLED LCD without bloom or light leakage.
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I dunno man, how many edgelit LCD's have you come across that have truly black bars when watch movies? That alone to me makes fald the superior option. Note my disclaimer as well, that assumes they know what they are doing with FALD.
Well they have launched a 1500 nit FALD in Europe so they have some experience.

http://www.tcl.eu/eu/products/tv-led-165cm-u65s9906

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"The TV has a total of 288 local dimming zones, which will help reproduce HDR (high dynamic range). The company says that it can reach up to 1500 nits brightness, which makes it one of the brightest LCD TVs out there. It can also reproduce 93% of the DCI-P3 color gamut by utilizing cadmium-free quantum dots."
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Im just going by pricing, there is just no way they could sell a real 10 bit panel at that price even without local dimming and dolby vision.
Prices on native 10 bit panels should be coming down as more are produced, but a well implemented 8 bit + FRC panel will be indistinguishable from a native 10 bit in almost all content.

Going beyond that, bit depth and percentage of color spectrum covered are two different things. Bit depth refers to how fine the gradations between colors the TV is capable of displaying, while color gamut refers to the extremes/purity of each of the primaries it's capable of displaying. You could have a TV that can reach more of the extremes in red green and blue while not being able to display the finer gradations in between as well as another TV that has a narrower gamut.


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The Dolby Vision models don't list having HDR10 or HDR10+. I'd prefer having both.
That's concerning. If it doesn't do HDR10 that's a major drawback, HDR10 is vital for UHD Blu-Ray and is still the default format for a lot of streaming content (though DV is catching up). Hopefully TCL just assumes that HDR10 is understood to be supported if DV is, but if it isn't, that's could be dealbreaker.
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Im sure it has HDR10 lol.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the Vizio P75-C1 be far superior than any of these new TLCs?
How can anyone know for certain until it is tested and compared? Sure it has fewer zones, but Vizio cut the number of zones in half for their 2017 M series. Would they intentionally make a lesser tv than the previous year? Plus, the 65" is $1000. I don't think that's worth kicking out the door without taking a look.
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That's concerning. If it doesn't do HDR10 that's a major drawback, HDR10 is vital for UHD Blu-Ray and is still the default format for a lot of streaming content (though DV is catching up). Hopefully TCL just assumes that HDR10 is understood to be supported if DV is, but if it isn't, that's could be dealbreaker.
Cnet says it does HDR10.
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The Dolby Vision models don't list having HDR10 or HDR10+. I'd prefer having both.
HDR10+ was announced less than a month ago by one of their rivals . I'm sure any thoughts of hdr10+ will be pipe dreams until more than Amazon show any interest in supporting the format , and implementing it into the software probably takes more than 3 weeks . The manufacturers have to put out products eventually , not hold them back for every format that decides to pop up . I'm certain they support HDR10 , I'd be more concerned about HDMI 2.1 than HDR10+ , not buying anything this close to the new standard until I know it has 2.1 , that should give me at least 8 months before they announce a new hdmi spec , and probably new hdcp that won't be backward compatible
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I said HDR10 or HDR10+, meaning Dolby Vision plus at least one of the two HDR10 variants.
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Just curious, why are you so concerned with hdmi 2.1? Far as i understand it the main benefit is 120hz at 4k, while that surely is a great experience you would need a crazy gaming PC to take advantage of that (talking a 2500 dollars+).
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I said HDR10 or HDR10+, meaning Dolby Vision plus at least one of the two HDR10 variants.
I took the " I'd rather have both" as HDR10 & 10+ , the rest of my comments were directed more generally at the overall topic . Are there any devices that support DV that don't support HDR 10?



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Just curious, why are you so concerned with hdmi 2.1? Far as i understand it the main benefit is 120hz at 4k, while that surely is a great experience you would need a crazy gaming PC to take advantage of that (talking a 2500 dollars+).
Higher Video Resolutions support a range of higher resolutions and faster refresh rates including 8K60Hz and 4K120Hz for immersive viewing and smooth fast-action detail.

Dynamic HDR ensures every moment of a video is displayed at its ideal values for depth, detail, brightness, contrast, and wider color gamuts—on a scene-by-scene or even a frame-by-frame basis.

48G cables enable up to 48Gbps bandwidth for uncompressed HDMI 2.1 feature support including 8K video with HDR. The cable is backwards compatible with earlier versions of the HDMI Specification and can be used with existing HDMI devices.

eARC supports the most advanced audio formats such as object-based audio, and enables advanced audio signal control capabilities including device auto-detect.

Game Mode VRR features variable refresh rate, which enables a 3D graphics processor to display the image at the moment it is rendered for more fluid and better detailed gameplay, and for reducing or eliminating lag, stutter, and frame tearing.

4K120hz is only one part , I think the improved ability to handle dynamic metadata and increased bandwidth are more important , even though I will probably have my kick ass gaming PC built in the next couple months so I will be able to run 4k120hz .
The main reason I'm concerned about 2.1 is because I've never owned a device that could update HDMI with firmware and this close to implementation I would rather get the latest to future proof at least for a few months , and I really do expect someone to implement new HDCP that will be not be backward compatible , like HDCP 2.2 was with HDMI 2.0 .

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On the features chart shown on the TCL link there are 3 models showing HDR capability. The S405 only lists HDR10, while both P607 and C807 only show Dolby Vision. If the latter had both it would make sense to list both. Obviously time will tell.
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On the features chart shown on the TCL link there are 3 models showing HDR capability. The S405 only lists HDR10, while both P607 and C807 only show Dolby Vision. If the latter had both it would make sense to list both. Obviously time will tell.
I'm only going from my limited knowledge when I say I haven't seen a device that supported DV that didn't have HDR10 , and I never try to make sense of the way a lot of these companies omit information that consumers like us will want to know .

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Garret all of the P and C TV's from 2017 have dolby and hdr 10.
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I'm only going from my limited knowledge when I say I haven't seen a device that supported DV that didn't have HDR10 , and I never try to make sense of the way a lot of these companies omit information that consumers like us will want to know .
I don't believe the Vizio R-Series ever got HDR10 support, but since pretty much no one actually bought those, it's certainly an outlier.

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TCL FFALCON TV "I55" supports Dolby Vision, HDR10 and HLG.
http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Press+R...s-Internet.htm
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Universal audio/video receiver (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, etc.) is achieved.
Universal HDR TV (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, Dynamic HDR) is required.

Push for universal HDR TV!
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Cant wait for some reviews!
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Cant wait for some reviews!
Same, i really hope TCL pulls off a vizio from last year and changes the game with this set.
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These cheap TV's might be great for the bedroom.....wouldn't want one as my main TV.....
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These cheap TV's might be great for the bedroom.....wouldn't want one as my main TV.....
Why not?
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Why not?
Because I have a feeling the black levels will not be on par with Sony, Samsung, LG, or even Vizio. Why compromise on black levels for your main TV? Yes, each of those brands is more expensive, but most of the time you get what you pay for....

Maybe the reviews will prove me wrong, but I highly doubt it.
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