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They created the calibration using calibrated dark picture mode.
Yeah it was to dark for me, i have 7 Windows around my tv where it is mounted, their settings made it almost unwatchable.

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The 2017 M-series went DOWN in zones in exchange for better brightness and a 10-bit panel. And they removed the tablet. I would not be at all surprised if they did this for the 2018 P-series: sacrificed one thing to improve another.
Seems to me the general consensus is if either a 2016 or 2017 its win win. One year does something slightly better than the other and vice versa. Either way 2016 or 2017 its a great tv so owners of either year rejoice.

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Yeah it was to dark for me, i have 7 Windows around my tv where it is mounted, their settings made it almost unwatchable.

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It was for a dark setting. Try calibrated mode with their settings and adjust the back light and gamma.
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Ok so instead of using calibrated dark, i used just calibrated and plugged in all the rtings calibration numbers including color calibration and 11point just to see how it looked. The only thing i changed was the backlight setting to 65 for the brightness of the room. Im completely floored by how good this thing looks now. Here are some 4k video stills, not the best but they get the point across.

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Ok so instead of using calibrated dark, i used just calibrated and plugged in all the rtings calibration numbers including color calibration and 11point just to see how it looked. The only thing i changed was the backlight setting to 65 for the brightness of the room. Im completely floored by how good this thing looks now. Here are some 4k video stills, not the best but they get the point across.


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Have you used an external device like an Xbox One S or UHD Blu ray? I have my One S hooked up to hdmi 1 and feel like the HDR appears dark on Netflix and Amazon 4K HDR content.



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Those pictures where taken while on HDMI 1 streaming from my roku premiere +

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I'm running the same setup, It looks amazing to me so far.
I'm rewatching some breaking bad in 4k and I am very impressed.
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So i got another weird bug, this is the 2nd time its happened. I came home from work to find the tv has turned itself ON. The first time i thought ok maybe i forgot to turn it off after lunch. Today however i just walked in thr door and the tv was on, and i havent been home all day. CEC is off. Im going try switching the tv to eco mode instead of the instant on see if that doesnt work

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Some people mentioned that the Vudu app on the a tablet\phone can cause this.
The app randomly casts to the display, turning it on without actually showing any video on it.

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To any 2017 m series owners i have a question

The past years m series specs were always decent but the brightness when you seen them in stores was always lacking Big time and the picture seemed dull do to lack of brightness, has that been totally addressed with the 2017 set ? Are all the owners in this thread satisfied with the brightness of this set ??
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Im more than satisfied with the brightness of my m series.

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To any 2017 m series owners i have a question

The past years m series specs were always decent but the brightness when you seen them in stores was always lacking Big time and the picture seemed dull do to lack of brightness, has that been totally addressed with the 2017 set ? Are all the owners in this thread satisfied with the brightness of this set ??
I watch in a darkened room with a self-calibrated screen, and I'll say that I've never had a TV that needed to be turned up past 50% brightness (usually less), including my 2016 M55-D0. Demo mode in stores is the worst possible way to evaluate a TV.

Obviously, with HDR content, peak brightness matters. How much it matters depends on how much of your viewing is HDR content. With SDR content, in dimmed rooms, I think most TVs are sufficiently bright. And in stores, where all those TVs are probably not being fed HDR content anyway, choosing based on torch-mode performance seems like a poor choice, IMO.

I think it's clear from the rtings.com reviews (compare the 2016 and 2017 M Series side-by-side with the P-Series as a benchmark) that the 2017 M-series has improved HDR performance at the cost of somewhat reduced SDR performance. For me, since 95% of my viewing is still SDR, and since the 2016's HDR performance is IMO still at least acceptable, I think it's a better choice, overall. If you want a Vizio that improves both SDR and HDR performance over the 2016 M-Series, you'd need to go to the P-Series.
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I watch in a darkened room with a self-calibrated screen, and I'll say that I've never had a TV that needed to be turned up past 50% brightness (usually less), including my 2016 M55-D0. Demo mode in stores is the worst possible way to evaluate a TV.

Obviously, with HDR content, peak brightness matters. How much it matters depends on how much of your viewing is HDR content. With SDR content, in dimmed rooms, I think most TVs are sufficiently bright. And in stores, where all those TVs are probably not being fed HDR content anyway, choosing based on torch-mode performance seems like a poor choice, IMO.

I think it's clear from the rtings.com reviews (compare the 2016 and 2017 M Series side-by-side with the P-Series as a benchmark) that the 2017 M-series has improved HDR performance at the cost of somewhat reduced SDR performance. For me, since 95% of my viewing is still SDR, and since the 2016's HDR performance is IMO still at least acceptable, I think it's a better choice, overall. If you want a Vizio that improves both SDR and HDR performance over the 2016 M-Series, you'd need to go to the P-Series.
Actually looking at both side by side to me the SDR performance between the two is very small. If choosing between the 50 inches I see no reason to go with the 2016 M unless you get it at a really low price. 55 inch I own both SDR fine watching either one, HDR 2017. The bigger sets the 2017s lack of 120hz had the biggest impact on score. Rtings could not truly compare the TVs side by side because they got rid of the 2016 M in May. At the end of the day both are good TVs for the price.
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To any 2017 m series owners i have a question

The past years m series specs were always decent but the brightness when you seen them in stores was always lacking Big time and the picture seemed dull do to lack of brightness, has that been totally addressed with the 2017 set ? Are all the owners in this thread satisfied with the brightness of this set ??
Im good with the brightness. I have no problem watching with the curtains open never had the backlight higher than 60. With that being said the TVs were designed to be watched in a dark setting you will get the best PQ in that type of setting.
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and an incoming grad student in film school. Want a great tv to watch movies at a good price point and have decided on the M series. Trying to decide between the 2016 model and the 2017 model. Most movies I watch are either on blu ray or through various streaming services like Fandor, which have some titles in HD and some not. Having said that, I also want something that will give me a good viewing experience as more movies are released in higher quality over the next few years.

So, what should I be looking for? The strength of the TV's upconversion? Which one is better for watching movies during the day time/ at night? What does the decrease in local dimming zones mean?

Those of you have the 2017 model and watch a lot of movies, both old and new, which would you recommend, the 2016 or 2017?
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Forgot to specify I'm really only looking at the 55-inch.

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and an incoming grad student in film school. Want a great tv to watch movies at a good price point and have decided on the M series. Trying to decide between the 2016 model and the 2017 model. Most movies I watch are either on blu ray or through various streaming services like Fandor, which have some titles in HD and some not. Having said that, I also want something that will give me a good viewing experience as more movies are released in higher quality over the next few years.

So, what should I be looking for? The strength of the TV's upconversion? Which one is better for watching movies during the day time/ at night? What does the decrease in local dimming zones mean?

Those of you have the 2017 model and watch a lot of movies, both old and new, which would you recommend, the 2016 or 2017?
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and an incoming grad student in film school. Want a great tv to watch movies at a good price point and have decided on the M series. Trying to decide between the 2016 model and the 2017 model. Most movies I watch are either on blu ray or through various streaming services like Fandor, which have some titles in HD and some not. Having said that, I also want something that will give me a good viewing experience as more movies are released in higher quality over the next few years.

So, what should I be looking for? The strength of the TV's upconversion? Which one is better for watching movies during the day time/ at night? What does the decrease in local dimming zones mean?

Those of you have the 2017 model and watch a lot of movies, both old and new, which would you recommend, the 2016 or 2017?
I'd go for the 2017 M series if you're planning to keep the TV for a couple of years or more.
You can also look into the TCL P series, as it's another option.

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I used the rtings calibration settings but I feel like people's faces appear yellowish/greenish in HDR. Anyone else experiencing this?


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AFAIK Rtings only provides SDR settings. I wouldn't use the same parameters with HDR.
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Select Calibrated Dark picture mode in HDR, if you messed with any settings besides Sharpness, reset everything in this pic mode, including the color tuner.

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On the whole I've been pretty happy with my M series. I've had it for about two weeks. Haven't watched a lot of HDR/4K content yet. I will say that the upscaling from our Comcast box doesn't look fantastic, but I also think that's partially Comcast's fault. The sound is also a bit lacking, especially the balance of dialogue and other stuff; I'm going to buy a 2.0 soundbar/central speaker, in all likelihood.
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AFAIK Rtings only provides SDR settings. I wouldn't use the same parameters with HDR.

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Select Calibrated Dark picture mode in HDR, if you messed with any settings besides Sharpness, reset everything in this pic mode, including the color tuner.


I'll give this a try when I get home. Thanks.


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On the whole I've been pretty happy with my M series. I've had it for about two weeks. Haven't watched a lot of HDR/4K content yet. I will say that the upscaling from our Comcast box doesn't look fantastic, but I also think that's partially Comcast's fault. The sound is also a bit lacking, especially the balance of dialogue and other stuff; I'm going to buy a 2.0 soundbar/central speaker, in all likelihood.
Comcast's compression is horrible. I even tried the the Comcast TV app on the Roku and it look bad.

I would definitely recommend at least a sound bar. I got a 2017 Vizio smartcast 5.1 for the living room M and 2016 smartcast 2.1 for the bedroom M. Both sound great especially for the price got both for $300.
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I had a vizio soundbar system, but now have an orbitsound M10 system. It is awesome, alittle higher in price but worth it!

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I had a vizio soundbar system, but now have an orbitsound M10 system. It is awesome, alittle higher in price but worth it!

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I heard the orbit M10 was pretty good. I decided to just do all Vizio controlling both tvs, sound bars and my lights with the tablet or Google home is nice.
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I would have stuck with my vizio soundbar but it just so happened i had a recommended for you tile in my amazon app, at the time i got the m10 setup on an amazon warehouse deal like new bc the packaging was damaged for $150 lol. Main thing i like about it is the side firing "spatial" speakers, really engulfs you in the sound. Plus even though it has 6 speakers in the "bar" its only like 18 inches long and can sit ontop of my tv.

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Happy Friday all!

Anyone have an insight as to when the internal streaming app update will happen?

Also, there was a hint that Amazon support may reappear on the 2016-2017 sets. Anybody heard more on that subject?

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Matt mentioned "summer 2017", but no firm date was given.

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M50-E1 impressions

Spent the weekend using my new M50-E1 (2017) and below are my entirely subjective unprofessional impressions...

I was using a 2017 E55-E1 which has an IPS panel and I was kind of used to the IPS viewing angles and picture.

I watched the final few episodes of Netflix's Daredevil S2 on the M50-E1 (at 4K+DolbyVision) and was impressed.

The E55-E1 also looked good but was a little less able to reproduce dark HDR10 content so I usually just watched Netflix at 4K via my TiVo Bolt's app (no HDR10 yet).

One odd result so far is that I'm preferring the M50's "Standard" mode instead of Calibrated or Calibrated Dark.

With the E55 I always defaulted to Calibrated.

Other thoughts:

The M50-E1 is quite capable of producing a _bright_ scene. Certain scenes in Daredevil where there was a dark room with a very bright window were bright enough to make me squint.

It seems like dark rooftop scenes with skyscrapers in the background were good demonstrations of DolbyVision because the tiny red, blue or white lights in the distance were lit up like very bright stars.

Also, the Netflix initial splash screen (Netflix logo) is super bright.

The M50-E1 viewing angle is what you would expect from a VA panel and it's fine for normal viewing but with the E55-E1 IPS I really enjoyed being able to walk around the room and see the same PQ from all angles.

Conclusion:

I was extremely pleased with the E55-E1 given the price I paid... but it was a little too large for its shelf. I think the E-series is a super value now that it has HDR10. And if you're watching sports and roving around the room then the 55" IPS panel is a feature instead of a detractor.

You _can_ immediately see some color volume and brightness differences with the M50-E1. It's really nice to have both Dolby Vision and HDR10. It also has a very nice looking trim and feet.

Happy with both...
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