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My sister is planning on picking one up tonight, and I won't be at her place to see it probably ever... or at least not in the next several months. I want her to be able to take advantage of the picture as much as possible, including decently user-calibrated and running in 4K and HDR when appropriate, etc.



What are some of the settings she should change immediately out of the box to enable some of these items, and what is the most appropriate picture preset for now? Or should I just link her to CNET or Rtings for calibration stuff?



Also, does she need to have specific apps enabled to be able to change some options? For example, I know that pretty much unless I'm watching a Blu-ray I can't look at my Hz options on my Samsung plasma.







Press the Info button on the remote, I'm guessing?


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point calibration but the settings account for that. Plus CNET has settings for both dark and bright rooms.


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I had a very bizarre issue with my 605 the other day when I installed Pluto TV. I watched a few channels to get a feel for the content the app offered, and exited out of it because I didn't find anything to my liking and opened up Netflix instead. After I selected a show on Netflix, I continued to hear audio from the last channel I watched on Pluto TV, and my show wouldn't load and get stuck either at 25% or ~94%, even after exiting the app and restarting the TV multiple times. I uninstalled Pluto TV yet the problem still persisted, but I'd then hear the audio even while on the home menu. The only solution I found was to reset my network settings, though I'm not sure why that seemed to help since my TV is connected via ethernet cable rather than wifi.

So for anyone who might encounter the same issue as me, resetting network settings should hopefully fix your issue.
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Hi everyone. I just picked up a p605 yesterday and while the 4k is nice, I was really looking forward to the HDR but the images are really dark using the CNET and rtings settings. Seems a little washed out in certain scenarios too but not sure if that's just me or not as this is my first 4k HDR screen. I replaced a Sony KDL-55HX800 that looks better as far as color and vibrancy goes.

With the recommended settings I am using "Brighter" as well as Normal HDR as Bright HDR is too blue but the darkness is bugging me. There doesn't seem to be anything "wrong" with the function of the set as the image does seem different when HDR is enabled but it isn't a big difference from non-HDR. The TV shows it's getting an HDR10 signal from Amazon Video/Netflix and the PS4 is outputting in yuv422 with HDR with Horizon Zero Dawn, Infamous and The Last of Us.

The tested HDR content just seems way too dark and the image doesn't stand out like I've read it should vs my 1080p Sony. Any ideas?
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I've never heard of a landlord doing that to anyone. The estimated cost is $22 /year according to the Energy Guide on the TV if that helps. What's your landlord going to charge you, $2 month?
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Hi everyone. I just picked up a p605 yesterday and while the 4k is nice, I was really looking forward to the HDR but the images are really dark using the CNET and rtings settings. Seems a little washed out in certain scenarios too but not sure if that's just me or not as this is my first 4k HDR screen. I replaced a Sony KDL-55HX800 that looks better as far as color and vibrancy goes.

With the recommended settings I am using "Brighter" as well as Normal HDR as Bright HDR is too blue but the darkness is bugging me. There doesn't seem to be anything "wrong" with the function of the set as the image does seem different when HDR is enabled but it isn't a big difference from non-HDR. The TV shows it's getting an HDR10 signal from Amazon Video/Netflix and the PS4 is outputting in yuv422 with HDR with Horizon Zero Dawn, Infamous and The Last of Us.

The tested HDR content just seems way too dark and the image doesn't stand out like I've read it should vs my 1080p Sony. Any ideas?
From my experience with Netflix, Amazon, and video game console HDR (XB1S in my case), I'm not terribly impressed by it either. Some content is really good (certain scenes from Chasing Coral on Netflix and The Tick on Amazon for example), but for most content I forget HDR is even enabled because of how bland it looks. As many have suggested here, the HDR channel on Youtube has some content that is surprisingly good, such as the following video:

Another potential fix is to adjust the gamma settings, which can be accessed through the Roku app that can be downloaded on a smart phone or tablet. Many people use 2.0 or even 1.8 instead of 2.2, which I believe is the default.

If all else fails, perhaps consider getting a replacement and see if it's any better? Many forum members have participated in the "panel lottery" here, some with great success and others without so YMMV.
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I had a very bizarre issue with my 605 the other day when I installed Pluto TV. I watched a few channels to get a feel for the content the app offered, and exited out of it because I didn't find anything to my liking and opened up Netflix instead. After I selected a show on Netflix, I continued to hear audio from the last channel I watched on Pluto TV, and my show wouldn't load and get stuck either at 25% or ~94%, even after exiting the app and restarting the TV multiple times. I uninstalled Pluto TV yet the problem still persisted, but I'd then hear the audio even while on the home menu. The only solution I found was to reset my network settings, though I'm not sure why that seemed to help since my TV is connected via ethernet cable rather than wifi.

So for anyone who might encounter the same issue as me, resetting network settings should hopefully fix your issue.
Pluto completely locked my 607 up. I HAD to unplug my set.
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Hi everyone. I just picked up a p605 yesterday and while the 4k is nice, I was really looking forward to the HDR but the images are really dark using the CNET and rtings settings. Seems a little washed out in certain scenarios too but not sure if that's just me or not as this is my first 4k HDR screen. I replaced a Sony KDL-55HX800 that looks better as far as color and vibrancy goes.



With the recommended settings I am using "Brighter" as well as Normal HDR as Bright HDR is too blue but the darkness is bugging me. There doesn't seem to be anything "wrong" with the function of the set as the image does seem different when HDR is enabled but it isn't a big difference from non-HDR. The TV shows it's getting an HDR10 signal from Amazon Video/Netflix and the PS4 is outputting in yuv422 with HDR with Horizon Zero Dawn, Infamous and The Last of Us.



The tested HDR content just seems way too dark and the image doesn't stand out like I've read it should vs my 1080p Sony. Any ideas?


CNETs calibrates for 2.4 gamma and some people find it too dark. Personally I really like an image w/ a lot of contrast. Dolby Vision is mastered at 2.4. Anyway I think your better off using RTINGs settings. Also it sounds like your using the RGB output on your PS4, correct? That’s the best way to go.


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Thanks Lifted22 and helvetica bold. I'm using the 2.2 gamma and will try a lower one. I haven't been able to get YouTube HDR to work yet using the built in app or the PS4 version and Amazon Video is hit and miss too. I've read that Man in the High Castle and Bosch are HDR but don't see the little HDR tag in the app. I did find a couple others like Red Oaks though. As for the PS4 I have it on auto and it will switch to yuv422 with HDR, staying in RGB without.
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...and now YouTube HDR is working. Time for some more testing.
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From my experience with Netflix, Amazon, and video game console HDR (XB1S in my case), I'm not terribly impressed by it either. Some content is really good (certain scenes from Chasing Coral on Netflix and The Tick on Amazon for example), but for most content I forget HDR is even enabled because of how bland it looks. As many have suggested here, the HDR channel on Youtube has some content that is surprisingly good, such as the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74SZXCQb44s

Another potential fix is to adjust the gamma settings, which can be accessed through the Roku app that can be downloaded on a smart phone or tablet. Many people use 2.0 or even 1.8 instead of 2.2, which I believe is the default.

If all else fails, perhaps consider getting a replacement and see if it's any better? Many forum members have participated in the "panel lottery" here, some with great success and others without so YMMV.
I have been watching quite a bit of Netflix and Amazon Prime 4K HDR and DV. I kind of agree, to me, the picture looks really good especially with the lights dimmed in a dark room. Great picture, but nothing jaw dropping like you get from some of the demos on Youtube or the LG downloaded files mentioned earlier in this thread.
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The first episode of Stranger Things 2 looked great with Dolby Vision. The scene where the kids are in the arcade–the signage is so bright and colorful. I watched another episode on my Sony W900a in 1080p SDR and it looked great but washed out compared to the rich 4K DV.
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Picking up this TV for my dad next weekend. He'll pretty much have two types of watching, Cable TV and Streaming (mostly in a well-lit room with large windows).

I see most people like CNET's settings for Dark Room/Bright Room, but it appears their Bright Room settings completely disable "Local Contrast". Isn't that a big feature of this TV? Is it beneficial to turn off local dimming in this situation?

Any insight would be great!
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The first episode of Stranger Things 2 looked great with Dolby Vision. The scene where the kids are in the arcade–the signage is so bright and colorful. I watched another episode on my Sony W900a in 1080p SDR and it looked great but washed out compared to the rich 4K DV.
I agree. I've watched the first 2 episodes of Stranger Things - Season 2 and there are scenes and segments of the episodes that do stand out from a contrast perspective. As they should.

I wonder if our expectations for HDR are a bit too amped up at the moment. A 2 or 3 minute 4K HDR demo is just that, an eye popping demo with every frame meant to 'wow' your eyes with vibrant colors and contrast. I'm not sure that every frame of a 50 minute HDR TV episode on Netflix or Amazon Prime has to wow me. Tell me a good story with good acting and where appropriate in the story and scene, let HDR do its thing and show me great contrast and shadow detail. A crisp and vibrant 4K picture throughout is expected. HDR, where appropriate, is nice icing on the 4K cake. But, I don't need it to be the main attraction or central character. Like the days of trying to force 3D effects into a subpar story and touting it as engaging cinema.
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Hi everyone. I just picked up a p605 yesterday and while the 4k is nice, I was really looking forward to the HDR but the images are really dark using the CNET and rtings settings. Seems a little washed out in certain scenarios too but not sure if that's just me or not as this is my first 4k HDR screen. I replaced a Sony KDL-55HX800 that looks better as far as color and vibrancy goes.

With the recommended settings I am using "Brighter" as well as Normal HDR as Bright HDR is too blue but the darkness is bugging me. There doesn't seem to be anything "wrong" with the function of the set as the image does seem different when HDR is enabled but it isn't a big difference from non-HDR. The TV shows it's getting an HDR10 signal from Amazon Video/Netflix and the PS4 is outputting in yuv422 with HDR with Horizon Zero Dawn, Infamous and The Last of Us.

The tested HDR content just seems way too dark and the image doesn't stand out like I've read it should vs my 1080p Sony. Any ideas?
I have found that for HDR10 content on Amazon Prime that the HDR DARK setting is best for my viewing environment. For Dolby Vision (DV) content on Netflix the DV DARK setting is just about unwatchable for most content. I find the BRIGHT DV setting with WARM color temp and moving the GAMMA setting from 2.2 to 2.0 with Roku app makes things much less dark and more watchable.
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I bought the 605 and so far it is working well. How do I know if I am actually seeing 4K? The only thing I have tried is a few Youtube 4K clips and nothing has shown on the screen telling me that is what I am seeing. I think I read here that if you are seeing 4K a banner or something appears on the screen to tell you. It looks great of course but I don't know for sure. I only have 15mbs speed so that is why I am thinking it probably is not coming in in true 4K, but how do I know?
There is an option to Enable Content Notification for High Dynamic Range (HDR) video in SETTINGS -- TV PICTURE SETTINGS menu (Enable Dolby Vision). Based on the content you will see either a HDR Logo or DV (Dolby Vision) Logo in the upper right corner of screen when the stream begins to play. Some apps on Roku allow you to see streaming info and some do not. For Netflix if you press the Asterisk * button while the app is open, but before you start a stream, you will see streaming info in the upper left corner. To toggle it OFF you must stop the video and then press the Asterisk * button again. YouTube has a STATS FOR NERDS option if you select MORE OPTIONS while video is streaming and then navigate to the far right choices on screen and you will see STATS FOR NERDS icon. I have found that for 4K streams in Netflix that it needs about 14 - 15mbps. If your max speed is 15mbps, I don't know if you will maintain a bandwidth speed to stream 4K consistently.
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Thanks blade005, that is just the info I needed. I'll try it out tonight.

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To be honest mine looks similar in terms of dark spots in some places around the edges. I rarely notice it in real world usage and it was sent enough to make me want to return it. I have considered trying loosening he bezels but I don’t want to screw anything up .

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I have found that for HDR10 content on Amazon Prime that the HDR DARK setting is best for my viewing environment. For Dolby Vision (DV) content on Netflix the DV DARK setting is just about unwatchable for most content. I find the BRIGHT DV setting with WARM color temp and moving the GAMMA setting from 2.2 to 2.0 with Roku app makes things much less dark and more watchable.
From some limited testing this morning before leaving for work, dropping the gamma to 2.0 or even 1.8 made the most difference. I'll do some more testing but that might have been the key. I haven't watched any Dolby Vision content yet but will try the bright setting when I do. Thanks.
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Thanks blade005, that is just the info I needed. I'll try it out tonight.
Sure thing. NOTE: Those notifications are just for 4K HDR content. You won't see that logo for 4K content only.

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From some limited testing this morning before leaving for work, dropping the gamma to 2.0 or even 1.8 made the most difference. I'll do some more testing but that might have been the key. I haven't watched any Dolby Vision content yet but will try the bright setting when I do. Thanks.
I found moving GAMMA to 1.8 created too much wash out and loss of detail. 2.0 was the compromise that worked best for my environment.
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As others have stated, I too was not liking the Movie setting....things seemed too "yellowish". I switched to normal w/warm...and did basic color/tint adjusments w/blue fliter and things look much better to me.

As for Roku app settings....I tried both default and the RTings settings for 11-pt and CMS and prefer the default. Noise Correction is turned off and gamma @2.2 .
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As others have stated, I too was not liking the Movie setting....things seemed too "yellowish". I switched to normal w/warm...and did basic color/tint adjusments w/blue fliter and things look much better to me.

As for Roku app settings....I tried both default and the RTings settings for 11-pt and CMS and prefer the default. Noise Correction is turned off and gamma @2.2 .
Similar settings. NORMAL w/WARM color temp. I made the RTings adjustments for 11-pt WB, but left CMS at default. Perhaps I will default back 11-pt WB.

Would you mind sharing what you did with color/tint w/blue filter adjustments?
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I agree. I've watched the first 2 episodes of Stranger Things - Season 2 and there are scenes and segments of the episodes that do stand out from a contrast perspective. As they should.

I wonder if our expectations for HDR are a bit too amped up at the moment. A 2 or 3 minute 4K HDR demo is just that, an eye popping demo with every frame meant to 'wow' your eyes with vibrant colors and contrast. I'm not sure that every frame of a 50 minute HDR TV episode on Netflix or Amazon Prime has to wow me. Tell me a good story with good acting and where appropriate in the story and scene, let HDR do its thing and show me great contrast and shadow detail. A crisp and vibrant 4K picture throughout is expected. HDR, where appropriate, is nice icing on the 4K cake. But, I don't need it to be the main attraction or central character. Like the days of trying to force 3D effects into a subpar story and touting it as engaging cinema.
Agreed! Not sure if this has been posted but this video on HDR and directors intent is really interesting. Watch it on the TCL youtube app.
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Agreed! Not sure if this has been posted but this video on HDR and directors intent is really interesting. Watch it on the TCL youtube app.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebf2Oi23Pw0
Thanks for sharing. That was one of the better explanations of what is going on with HDR and light levels as intended by the Director and Cinematographer. Great to see the visualization of what is going on with NIT levels in scenes. Definitely will make me pause and perhaps not whine as much when I see darker HDR content. Will still need to adjust for optimum personal viewing experience, but it does frame it more in context for me. Thanks!!
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White screen clouding around edges. Normal?

Hello,

I would like to know if my results are fairly normal for an LED LCD TV. I get some amount of dark clouding along the edges. Most noticeable when the screen is mostly white.
The attached image shows what it looks like on an all white screen.



Is this normal? Or is this outside the norms and I maybe should look into a replacement?
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Is there a way to turn off Dolby Vision and HDR? It makes everything look too dark no matter how I adjust the settings.
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