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Not sure if fald is off in game mode in other tv's but I would assume so since the tv would need extra processing time to know which leds to turn off for each frame.

The input lag on this set is amazing but if you really want fald then activate it. The reviewers put input lag outside of game mode at 35ms which is still considered good and a number that is seen on most tvs. Without fald your pq will only decrease a little on really dark scenes when your room is dark, otherwise it's the same.
Vizio P Series can still use FALD while in game low latency mode. However, that TV also doesn't go any lower than 43 ms, sooooo...

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Anyone here compare it to the Vizio P series set yet? That is the set I have and while I love it, my set has a few areas of clouding on the screen that is leading to me wanting to replace it.
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Anyone here compare it to the Vizio P series set yet? That is the set I have and while I love it, my set has a few areas of clouding on the screen that is leading to me wanting to replace it.
I had a P55-C1 before this TCL. I never got to see them side by side, but colors on the TCL are definitely better than the Vizio. FALD performance seems a bit worse overall, but close. The big difference though is that the Vizio had really really good black uniformity, while my TCL has noticeable clouding in the corners.
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My set arrived yesterday afternoon. Like others have mentioned, the box looked a bit banged up. I was home and saw the Fedex truck pull up in front of the house. When I noticed that the driver was a young lady, I went out to the curb and lifted the TV off the truck myself. She was having enough trouble trying to get her hand truck into position. There was no way I was going to let her lift the TV off the truck.

As far as the TV goes, I'm happy with it. I had a bit of an issue getting Netflix to fire up, but eventually it kicked in. Amazon started up right away with no problems at all. I played the 4k channel (104) on Directv with out issue as well. I also played a couple of minutes of Despicable Me with my Samsung 4k player. Again it looked good, and the HDR flag popped up right away. While the colors were good, they were not as good as they were when watching it on my 65 inch Vizio P series and my Oppo player in Dolby Vision. When I get a little time, I will bring the Oppo into the bedroom and see what improvements there are with DV vs HDR10. Over all it's way too early to offer a fair comparison of the Vizo P and the TCL P.

Oh, I'm not about to complain about something I can't see in content.
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Hey guys, did some testing tonight with my PC. The TV was able to accept a refresh rate all the way up to 100hz (while at 1080p), buuuuuuuuut.....I went to a frame skipping test website, and turns out it was skipping frames, so yeah, definitely only a 60hz panel. Attached some pictures of that. I know this was pretty much already accepted as truth but I felt like finding out for myself

I also tested some text in the browser, attached a picture of that too. I was running [email protected], since I currently can't go all the way up to [email protected] with my PC, but text looks super crisp and clear. I think you would have zero problems using this as a PC monitor!

EDIT: What's strange is that my PC is not recognizing the TV as being HDR capable. The option simply will not show up in my display settings.

EDIT 2: But if I pass HDMI through my AVR instead of direct to the TV, then my computer DOES recognize it as HDR capable and I can enable that option...wtf?

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Vizio P Series can still use FALD while in game low latency mode. However, that TV also doesn't go any lower than 43 ms, sooooo...

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http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

Much lower then that if you're not using HDR or 4:4:4.
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You need a video card that supports HDR for it work.
Like the AMD RX400 or RX500 series and the nVidia GTX1050 and up cards.
You also need Windows Creator's Update.

From the chroma pic, it looks like 4:2:2.
Here's another pic you can use to confirm. Make sure you open it without any zoom (should be at 100% ratio)
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The answer is really simple and I think it's straightforward. I'm not sure why you'd write page long posts about doing these tests.
FALD allows your display to dim certain parts of the image for better blacks, but when you have light bleed, in dark scenes you are going to see this light bleed because the LEDs behind the panel are not completely off. So FALD is going to mitigate the problem, but it's not going to magically make it disappear. Black screen tests with FALD on are inherently useless, as all the LEDs will be off (or really close to being off) and you won't notice any problems with your panel.
I have some slight light bleed on my M60-D1. Thankfully it's at the top just off center, where the black bars are and it stands out only in very specific content, but it's still there, and it's distracting.
Thanks for pointing out some facts here. I have been saying all along you are much better off with a set that has no bleed (Clouding or whatever you choose to call it) than one that has it badly like mine. Everyone seems to want to give it a pass since this is a 600.00 set but even at this price this issue could be better. I see the issue in this set while watching certain content and it is distracting. If my set would have been like imagic or the other reviewers seem to have been sent then I would be more than happy with it. As it stands I am going to ask for an exchange possibly and see if I get a better set.

I also have a TCL Roku set from last year that I can get on hand this weekend so maybe we can see how it compares with the issues some of us are seeing. I have several sets and just wish I had time to line them up and do some comparisons to see how it stacks up against others side by side.

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Glaring weakness: Screen reflections

Received yesterday. First impression.

What is the value of a great native contrast and a FALD backlight if I can see the room walls reflected off the screen in a dimly lit room?

Hello TCL. How much does a moth eye screen cost? I'd easily pay $100 more for it!

Edit1

I can't see any light bleed, booming, .... but I sure as heck can see my rooms walls reflected off the screen. Why isn't more attention paid to this GLARING weakness?

Most unexpected strength, WCG! THE COLOR IS GORGEOUS! HD, SD, HDR, SDR, all benefit.

Edit2

Roku OS is very fast and responsive compared to the Sony BD player I was using previously for Netflix et al. CPU power in the TV probably very high to handle video processing.

I'll probably keep the TV but I really want a 65 in. I'll probably wait until CES to see what's coming and make a decision on the TCL65P607. WCG and screen reflection characteristics are my new hot buttons.

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The TLC 55P605 is at Best Buy now for some areas

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-55-c...?skuId=5878705
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FALD on vs off test and Input lag opinions

I was finally able to test a dark room test of the backlight. Attached are the results with Off, Medium, High settings for local contrast in a completely dark room (I promise that the 2nd and 3rd image has a tv in the same position as the 1st).

The "off" setting for local contrast, while performing the backlight test, does have noticeable light coming through. Low was a much better improvement, but it's really gone even in medium.

This is my very first time doing this kind of test, as I never was much concerned with such things in my younger days. I don't have a tv in another completely dark room, otherwise I'd do this test on my older Vizio 1080p.

Personal opinion of this and of it in action is I either got a good set in the lottery or I'm happy with it as it is. Watching ANY content in 4K and/or HDR seems flawless to me. Blacks are DEEP and colors are really vivid, especially those YouTube HDR tests.

I'm going to be gaming on this quite a bit and have already put my PS4 Pro to the test with Destiny and Horizon. Visually, they're stunning even in game mode. Local contrast is off by default, but that doesn't cause the blacks to be light or discolored from what I could tell last night. Things just pop more, even in Destiny, which doesn't have 4K or HDR support. Horizon was just awe-inspiring and jaw dropping in 4K HDR.

Input lag wise, I seemed to play both raids and PvP on par with the computer monitor I used to use and it felt great. Literally no complaints about that, I'm beyond happy with how the input lag is while in game mode. I might try it without game mode for reference, but honestly, the picture quality is so good in game mode that I don't see a reason to turn it off other than comparison's sake.
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The TLC 55P605 is at Best Buy now for some areas

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-55-c...?skuId=5878705
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I had a P55-C1 before this TCL. I never got to see them side by side, but colors on the TCL are definitely better than the Vizio. FALD performance seems a bit worse overall, but close. The big difference though is that the Vizio had really really good black uniformity, while my TCL has noticeable clouding in the corners.
The 55 is an IPS. Almost any VA panel will have better picture than that. Not a valid comparison.
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EDIT: What's strange is that my PC is not recognizing the TV as being HDR capable. The option simply will not show up in my display settings.
What graphics card do you have?
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IMO.....and maybe you as well,there was a lot of over the top angst focused on a budget set, I hope and think that things will calm down soon. ....
I hope so.

Clearly there were problems with damaged sets and some defective ones from the photos, probably a higher defect rate than average, but we can't really tell as complainers tend to post more than happy owners. With the revelations about the "light bleed" actually being Flashlighting (which FALD corrects) and considering the photos sent to me I believe this a complete non-issue. I have a close friend who has a 2016 Sony 4k 55" who paid about double what I did for the 55P607. On the black uniformity test photos, his look worse than my 55P607 and I've been admiring his TV for many months now and it was in fact a big part of the inspiration for my purchase of the TCL... I have another friend who has a 2017 Samsung Q7 series 65" set who was kind enough to take test shots last night for me. His black uniformity looks about like mine with FALD turned off, perhaps just a tad better (I posted mine pics with FALD on/off to this thread earlier). His comparison shots got me angry all over again thinking this is much to do about nothing and bunch of elitist noise. Perhaps good-intended by the authors but ultimately detrimental information. His Samsung cost over five times what I paid for the 55P607. So yeah, I'm very confident this is an "over the top" non-issue.

For myself, FALD will never be turned off.. The color saturation issues related to FALD on/off reported in that one pro reviewer with specific Netflix content are a non-issue when I tried to reproduce (Hopefully others will do the same test and confirm). With color saturation issues apparently resolved, what scenarios does that leave for FALD to be turned off? Someone mentioned shadowing and scenes with a black sky full of stars. Ok, that's a very specific content scenario. Let's say you're watching a movie that has a few scenes in it like that where FLAD being off may give you a little benefit. Are you going to toggle it off just for those scenes? Are you going to sacrifice the benefits of FALD for the other 95% of the content? This is where we get into what is obsessive compulsive videophile behavior and what is... normal. I just can't relate at all to certain mindsets here.
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The 55 is an IPS. Almost any VA panel will have better picture than that. Not a valid comparison.
I'm quite aware of that, but it is a valid comparison for anyone who specifically wants/needs a 55".

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-55-c...?skuId=5878705
Not in my area I'm almost of the mind to go buy a second one from Best buy or Costco if it's available within the 30 day Amazon return window, and only return the Amazon one if I'm able to find one with a better panel.

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I hope so.

Clearly there were problems with damaged sets and some defective ones from the photos, probably a higher defect rate than average, but we can't really tell as complainers tend to post more than happy owners. With the revelations about the "light bleed" actually being Flashlighting (which FALD corrects) and considering the photos sent to me I believe this a complete non-issue. I have a close friend who has a 2016 Sony 4k 55" who paid about double what I did for the 55P607. On the black uniformity test photos, his look worse than my 55P607... I have another friend who has a 2017 Samsung Q7 series 65" set who was kind enough to take test shots last night for me. His black uniformity looks about like mine with FALD turned off, perhaps just a tad better (I posted mine pics with FALD on/off to this thread earlier). His comparison shots got my angry al over again thinking this is much to do about nothing and bunch of elitist noise. Perhaps good-intended by the authors but ultimately deferential information. His Samsung cost over five times what I paid for the 55P607. So yeah, I'm very confident this is an "over the top" non-issue.

For myself, FALD will never be turned off.. The color saturation issues related to FALD on/off reported in that one pro reviewer with specific Netflix content are a non-issue when I tried to reproduce (Hopefully others will do the same test and confirm). With color saturation issues apparently resolved, what scenarios does that leave for FALD to be turned off? Someone mentioned shadowing and scenes with a black sky full of stars. Ok, that's a very specific content scenario. Let's say you're watching a movie that has a few scenes in it like that where FLAD being off may give you a little benefit. Are you going to toggle it off just for those scenes? Are you going to sacrifice the benefits of FALD for the other 95% of the content? This is where we get into what is obsessive compulsive videophile behavior and what is... normal. I just can't relate at all to certain mindsets here.
Even with FALD on, it's not going to be that hard to see light bleed\clouding, all you would need is dark content in and around the corner (or wherever the 'cloudy' area of the screen is) and it's going to stick out like a sore thumb.
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I hope so.

Clearly there were problems with damaged sets and some defective ones from the photos, probably a higher defect rate than average, but we can't really tell as complainers tend to post more than happy owners. With the revelations about the "light bleed" actually being Flashlighting (which FALD corrects) and considering the photos sent to me I believe this a complete non-issue. I have a close friend who has a 2016 Sony 4k 55" who paid about double what I did for the 55P607. On the black uniformity test photos, his look worse than my 55P607... I have another friend who has a 2017 Samsung Q7 series 65" set who was kind enough to take test shots last night for me. His black uniformity looks about like mine with FALD turned off, perhaps just a tad better (I posted mine pics with FALD on/off to this thread earlier). His comparison shots got my angry al over again thinking this is much to do about nothing and bunch of elitist noise. Perhaps good-intended by the authors but ultimately deferential information. His Samsung cost over five times what I paid for the 55P607. So yeah, I'm very confident this is an "over the top" non-issue.

For myself, FALD will never be turned off.. The color saturation issues related to FALD on/off reported in that one pro reviewer with specific Netflix content are a non-issue when I tried to reproduce (Hopefully others will do the same test and confirm). With color saturation issues apparently resolved, what scenarios does that leave for FALD to be turned off? Someone mentioned shadowing and scenes with a black sky full of stars. Ok, that's a very specific content scenario. Let's say you're watching a movie that has a few scenes in it like that where FLAD being off may give you a little benefit. Are you going to toggle it off just for those scenes? Are you going to sacrifice the benefits of FALD for the other 95% of the content? This is where we get into what is obsessive compulsive videophile behavior and what is... normal. I just can't relate at all to certain mindsets here.
Live FALD or Game Hard.

But seriously, agreed with your post on everything except for gaming. FALD off for gaming will likely allow your input lag to be top of the world for tvs instead of middle of the pack. I said earlier today though that the visuals when gaming do not appear to be sacrificed by having game mode enabled, so it's also a non-issue to me.
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Much lower then that if you're not using HDR or 4:4:4.
You have to be on port 5 for that low input lag, I know about it. But most of us here are interested in actually using the full 4K HDR benefits of our TVs.

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GTX 1070.
Have you read my reply? Make sure you have the Windows Creator's Update installed, otherwise you're not going to get HDR.

Also if you only have [email protected] as an option, then it's most likely you're not connecting the PC directly to the TV, but running it through an AVR or something else that does not support HDMI 2.0a.
If it IS connected directly to the TV, I'd try a different HDMI port or a different cable.

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It's available for delivery or pickup in my area on the 23rd. For 51" or larger sets Best Buy's free delivery includes installation. I think I may go that route for a replacement to the one I returned to Amazon.
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Live FALD or Game Hard.

But seriously, agreed with your post on everything except for gaming. FALD off for gaming will likely allow your input lag to be top of the world for tvs instead of middle of the pack. I said earlier today though that the visuals when gaming do not appear to be sacrificed by having game mode enabled, so it's also a non-issue to me.
Yeah, I think we're starting to establish this may not be the best choice set for a gamer... I know many of you are, I'm not so can't really relate to those specific problems.
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I finally got mine mounted on the wall. Coming from a 43" plasma I was expecting the 55 to be way too big, and honestly its just right. When I first opened the tv and ran my little light bleed clouding, pond ripple test, everything looked good with just a bit of clouding in the upper right corner. Once I got it mounted I looked again and sure enough there was some decent clouding in the upper right and lower left. But like many others have stated thats only when FALD is turned off. This is a bedroom tv so all my quick tests were in complete darkness so my experience with how it looks to me may be a bit different than those that need to crank everything up.

I used settings in movie mode, darker, backlight around 15-20, brightness lowered to 48, contrast played with 75-100 and decided on 100. I tested a few youtube 4k hdr videos and it really does look spectacular. I did notice some heavy flickering on a Hawaii video that showed lots of ariel movement which was quite distracting, but didn't see it on another video, so I'll have to test more with that. I then tested it out on my directv. I was worried about this as most of it is 720p and 1080i and figured it would be softer or blurrier but I am happy to report I think it really looked great. I think i bumped the sharpness to 25 but I was very very impressed, everything looked pretty crisp. I tested a few dvr movies such as Gravity, Oblivion, Force Awakens, The Martian, The Peanuts Movie, Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy. FALD held up really well on Gravity. Tested the FALD at low, medium and high and didn't notice a huge difference so I kept it on high. I did notice it "working" on a few scenes and adjusting the brightness to 48 made a nice difference and you couldn't see the zones being activated but still keeping it lit correctly, in at least a few of the scenes that I noticed. All the other movies looked great, colors were vibrant, motion was decent as well.

I did notice that on the Winter Soldier when Cap goes onto the base below and you see all the ships the background looked very CG which I hadn't noticed before but thats not a detriment to the tv at all, picture just looks so good it brings out the flaws in movies lol. And like I said, this is upscaling 720p and 1080i content so take it for what its worth. More than happy though.

Back to motion I have to say that I'm very disappointed there are zero controls for any motion adjustment in the menu nor the apps "expert picture settings". Luckily it handles motion well enough but I think with a few settings if available could fine tune it better to each persons liking. I didn't get a chance to play any PS4 games or bluray, and also don't have an Xbox One S so no true 4k bluray test.

Overall, I am very pleased all things considered, even more so with the price spent. As for the clouding/light bleed, it is unfortunate but I've seen very few real world units, including the Vizio 471xvt I had owned back in the day not to have it to some extent. Luckily the FALD works well and theres no reason to not leave it on, unless you are gaming of course and want the added input lag gains. I would think TCL will patch in FALD to be able to be used in game mode. Coming from an ST60 in the living room with input lag in the 70s-80s I probably won't even run the ps4 in game mode and keep FALD on. Hopefully TCL continues to support this tv with updates and added tweaks to improve the experience.

So there are my brief impressions from last night. Will probably watch some blurays and game a little this weekend. Maybe by then a few settings will be out and I can put them in and see if things improve the picture but even with minor tweaks the set is great. I really hope as more people get these sets in they get a little better quality control wise. Returning a tv is a pain.
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Got my set last night. A few observations:

- Atmos pass-through seems to work, once I got all the CEC/ARC stuff configured properly. Watched some Magnificent Seven streamed via Vudu, and my AVR switched to Atmos
- I am definitely getting some kind of clouding/bleeding from all 4 corners (worst at the bottom)
- Watching content still looks good, but there are times when the right side of the set looks less vibrant, which I'm attributing to the backlight "issue".
- When there is text that goes the width of the screen (on a dark/black background), the right-most edge of the sentence/text is noticeably dimmer. Disabling FALD eliminates this, but then the clouding/blooming/bleeding from the corners is noticeable
- Colors are GREAT (and much improved coming from a Hisense 55H8C)
- SDR content looks really good
- HDR/DV content looks great (no longer have the issue I had with the Hisense where the whole screen would darken when I did anything HDR via the XB1S)

Still considering my options, as I didn't "need" this set. The inconsistent backlighting is really the main thing that is bugging me at this point...
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has some tried audio out through the 3.5mm jack ? i hooked up pc speakers but u have to really crank up the volume through remote and speakers itself to get decent output.
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It's available for delivery or pickup in my area on the 23rd. For 51" or larger sets Best Buy's free delivery includes installation. I think I may go that route for a replacement to the one I returned to Amazon.
Is it normal for best buy to release products only in certain markets, even for delivery? I was hoping to jump on that but it's not available in my area.
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Even with FALD on, it's not going to be that hard to see light bleed\clouding, all you would need is dark content in and around the corner (or wherever the 'cloudy' area of the screen is) and it's going to stick out like a sore thumb.
Again he has made his decision so whatever things we point out will be a non issue as all the others for him. The ones of us that have been down this road for sure can and will see the issue. All that I have asked for is a screen that is more uniform, I think even at 600.00 that is not to much to request. As we know Fald is great and needed with LCD sets but not specifically to mask poor screen uniformity but what rather for was intended for.

The other terrible thing about this TV is it is very very reflective, which I knew when purchasing it so I will not complain about that one. I would however caution ones who will be suing in a room with allot of light due to reflections etc.
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I did notice some heavy flickering on a Hawaii video that showed lots of ariel movement which was quite distracting, but didn't see it on another video, so I'll have to test more with that.
Finally someone else who acknowledges seeing some backlight flickering! Not a big deal but I was starting to think I was crazy or my set was defective.

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