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Shoot out vs Samsung KS8000.

Disclosure: my TCL panel suffers from the backlight corner bleeding, so it may affect the results. My Samsung is one of the better 8000 panels that I have seen compared to others.

HDR: Samsung (better color and slightly better detail)
Color Gamut: Samsung (noticeable when viewed side/side)
Contrast: TCL (at the expense of colors being somewhat crushed)
Blacks: Being that my panel exhibits clouding, I did not feel that the TCL was that much better.
Side Viewing: Tie (neither does it well), but above average for VA panels

Dolby Vision vs HDR
- slightly better, but Samsung is still preferred.

I had higher expectations for this TV and if I didn't have the KS8000 to compare, I may have been happy with the performance (after my replacement arrives), but in the end, I believe that the KS8000 has the edge in every category except Contrast (yet, better color reproduction helps mitigate) and Dolby Vision (just as good on Samsung HDR, will get better with HDR+).

I will add to this as I see more differences.
Still though, considering the TCL is $650 and nearly matches or slightly exceeds the KS8000 in every area, which costs several hundred more than that (if you could still find it anywhere), I think the TCL is still quite impressive.
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Amazon is now showing the unit to be $799
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Amazon is now showing the unit to be $799
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Weird. Earlier today it had gone up to $650 which was expected at some point, but that $799 has always been wrong and Amazon never fixed it.
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Weird. Earlier today it had gone up to $650 which was expected at some point, but that $799 has always been wrong and Amazon never fixed it.
I know "No Price Talk," but I can't help but admit I feel kind of cool not to have paid $800 for this TV. I also feel fine with this post being deleted.
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I use MoCA over the coax cabling in my house for smooth streaming. I have MoCA to Ethernet adapters throughout my house, which I also use for sharing videos from my TIVO base & TIVO minis. I have a good electrical infrastructure in our house, but found that for streaming, Ethernet over Powerline results can vary and I'd get the "spinning wheel" on occasion. Just my experience, but both are great alternatives to drilling holes throughout your house to fish Cat6 Ethernet cables.
Phfinman, this is revelatory to me.

Are you saying that existing coax cabling could (I guess with the proper terminators) stand in for HDMI? I ask because we remodeled our home in 1999 with the cutting edge of technology (at least to us): Cat 5e cable. There's a hub in the basement coming in from the phone company, then it goes out to multiple rooms throughout the home. If I could use that system to distribute HDMI, it would be really excellent. Can you point me to a primer? Thanks.

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Shoot out vs Samsung KS8000.

Disclosure: my TCL panel suffers from the backlight corner bleeding, so it may affect the results. My Samsung is one of the better 8000 panels that I have seen compared to others.

HDR: Samsung (better color and slightly better detail)
Color Gamut: Samsung (noticeable when viewed side/side)
Contrast: TCL (at the expense of colors being somewhat crushed)
Blacks: Being that my panel exhibits clouding, I did not feel that the TCL was that much better.
Side Viewing: Tie (neither does it well), but above average for VA panels

Dolby Vision vs HDR
- slightly better, but Samsung is still preferred.

I had higher expectations for this TV and if I didn't have the KS8000 to compare, I may have been happy with the performance (after my replacement arrives), but in the end, I believe that the KS8000 has the edge in every category except Contrast (yet, better color reproduction helps mitigate) and Dolby Vision (just as good on Samsung HDR, will get better with HDR+).

I will add to this as I see more differences.
so the tcl, a $599 tv, is neck in neck with the ks8000, an $1,800 tv (assuming 55"), but you're disappointed, you had higher expectations for the tcl?

wait, hold the presses, looks like the tcl 55p607 is now up to $799 on amazon, wow, still $649 at tcl tho... glad i grabbed mine when i did!
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Let me get one thing straight, this TV is unbelievable for the price range. I love the colors, especially in HDR. They really pop. Just want to decide once and for all if this is indeed a "panel lottery" (granted for an issue that only some notice) or if it's just part of owning this particular TV.

So I've been wondering if this whole screen uniformity thing is a "lemon" issue or just simply a design flaw. Do we know if there are any confirmed photos of panels that don't have spotlighting? There are a few shots earlier in this thread that *appear* to be spotlight free, but I'm not convinced that's a common thing.

For example, if you take a look at the screenshots from reviewed.com's review, it looks like you can see spotlighting, particularly on the top left corner from the Jason Bourne screenshot (credit to Reviewed.com). And that set was handpicked by TCL.

Has anyone who decided to return for a replacement actually received a replacement? If so, does it exhibit this issue?

Anyone want to confirm that they have zero or limited spotlighting? I know there are definitely cases that have it worse than others.
I'm not going to go digging through 600 posts to find specific pictures, but yes, there were several owners who posted pics that showed very good black uniformity. Also, I can't imagine that @imagic wouldn't have said something if his review set had any noticeable black uniformity problems, but as we've speculated before, the review units may have been cherry picked.
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so the tcl, a $599 tv, is neck in neck with the ks8000, an $1,800 tv (assuming 55"), but you're disappointed, you had higher expectations for the tcl?

wait, hold the presses, looks like the tcl 55p607 is now up to $799 on amazon, wow, still $649 at tcl tho... glad i grabbed mine when i did!
Too be fair, I think the KS8000 was available for 999 at Best Buy for a decent while, very recently. And I think even the "normal" price was 1299 not long ago?

Of course since it's discontinued I guess that's moot now going forward.
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Too be fair, I think the KS8000 was available for 999 at Best Buy for a decent while, very recently. And I think even the "normal" price was 1299 not long ago?

Of course since it's discontinued I guess that's moot now going forward.
Even if the "normal" price was $1299 that is still Double the price... for no where near double (if at all) better overall quality. Thats a pretty big value win in my book.

Even at $1000, this TV was STILL $400 Cheaper, and you get very close overall quality (in his opinion) with a better built in smart interface. Still seems like a pretty big win.
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Phfinman, this is revelatory to me.

Are you saying that existing coax cabling could (I guess with the proper terminators) stand in for HDMI? I ask because we remodeled our home in 1999 with the cutting edge of technology (at least to us): Cat 5e cable. There's a hub in the basement coming in from the phone company, then it goes out to multiple rooms throughout the home. If I could use that system to distribute HDMI, it would be really excellent. Can you point me to a primer? Thanks.
Here's some info on HDMI over MoCA, but sounds expensive. I use MoCA for interconnecting my TIVO units and MoCA adapters to get Ethernet to other rooms in my house.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/can...idges.1361421/



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Picture Settings

Ok, let's chat a bit about the actual picture settings and see if I can make heads or tails of what looks best.

Mainly I"m curious about the HDR settings and the color temperature. Two easily changed settings that make the picture look drastically different.

I'd always thought "brighter is better" (bright HDR and cool temp) but after watching and gaming in a pretty pitch black environment, I'm thinking I kind of really like the "Dark or Normal HDR" and either "Normal or Warm" color temps.

What do you guys all use for your settings and can anyone give a knowledgeable answer of why warmer would be better, possibly as it relates to this specific set's features? (FALD, HDR, etc) Also, would it be recommended to have different settings for different viewing habits? Movies, tv shows, gaming?
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so the tcl, a $599 tv, is neck in neck with the ks8000, an $1,800 tv (assuming 55"), but you're disappointed, you had higher expectations for the tcl?

wait, hold the presses, looks like the tcl 55p607 is now up to $799 on amazon, wow, still $649 at tcl tho... glad i grabbed mine when i did!
My KS8000 was refurbished (got lucky with a good panel on 2nd try) for $650, so from a price stand point, its nearly the same in my situation.

My point is that the TCL is a great TV, especially at the price point. No doubt the best value period. I am sure with FW updates, it will get better. I just wanted it to be as good as the KS8000.

The HDMI switching was slow on my TV as well compared to the Samsung. Oh well, maybe a did get a "bad unit." Lets see how the replacement fares.
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Has anyone tried the Best Buy version of this TV (55P607). I see they are available now and wanted to see if anyone could confirm they are the same except remote?
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Has anyone tried the Best Buy version of this TV (55P607). I see they are available now and wanted to see if anyone could confirm they are the same except remote?
Not sure about anyone trying one, but your question was already answered about the differences:

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Well I guess this answers my question about the differences between the P607 and Best Buy specific P605. From the TCL USA Twitter account:

"There slight cosmetic differences, as well as the remote but the TV functions and settings are the same."

https://twitter.com/TCL_USA/status/876834537585614849
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Ok, let's chat a bit about the actual picture settings and see if I can make heads or tails of what looks best.

Mainly I"m curious about the HDR settings and the color temperature. Two easily changed settings that make the picture look drastically different.

I'd always thought "brighter is better" (bright HDR and cool temp) but after watching and gaming in a pretty pitch black environment, I'm thinking I kind of really like the "Dark or Normal HDR" and either "Normal or Warm" color temps.

What do you guys all use for your settings and can anyone give a knowledgeable answer of why warmer would be better, possibly as it relates to this specific set's features? (FALD, HDR, etc) Also, would it be recommended to have different settings for different viewing habits? Movies, tv shows, gaming?
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So after opening the box back up again, definitely looks like the damage is responsible for the picture issue.
The actual case of the TV is dented in on the back (right where the LED issue is on the front). I can't believe that:
A) the case for the TV is so flimsy that it can be so easily damaged
and
B) the quality of the box and packing materials are so poor they do little to protect the TV.

I am now in a bit of a dilemma, I sold my Plasma this was meant to replace over the weekend and Amazon says I can't get a replacement for several months, yet I only have about 3 weeks to send this thing back.

Has anyone ordered one from Amazon recently and got any updated shipping info.
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Can someone please do this test and report back?

Make sure picture settings are same under Youtube app and streamer on HDM1.

Play this video in the TV's ROKU Youtube app: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISJMsVhY5Yk
Then play the same through 4K capable streamer through HDMI1.

When played through HDMI1 (NVIDIA Shield TV), the colors look vibrant, but when played through TV's youtube app, the colors look washed out.

What could be causing this discrepancy?
OK, so even though the video says "HDR", the "HDR" logo never pops up when played with Roku youtube app or Shield youtube app.

So it seems that roku and shield youtube apps do not support HDR content at the moment.
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So after opening the box back up again, definitely looks like the damage is responsible for the picture issue.
The actual case of the TV is dented in on the back (right where the LED issue is on the front). I can't believe that:
A) the case for the TV is so flimsy that it can be so easily damaged
and
B) the quality of the box and packing materials are so poor they do little to protect the TV.

I am now in a bit of a dilemma, I sold my Plasma this was meant to replace over the weekend and Amazon says I can't get a replacement for several months, yet I only have about 3 weeks to send this thing back.

Has anyone ordered one from Amazon recently and got any updated shipping info.
How about sending it back and getting a refund and Buying one at BB this weekend sounds like they will be in
stock.
You will avoid the damage from deliveries.
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Best Buy did not get the ones in Monday here they stated they would, now are telling me Thursday. That is okay as I am sticking with the one from Amazon right now and doing a little testing. I forsee some firmware upgrades coming our way that could make this set any better.

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OK, so even though the video says "HDR", the "HDR" logo never pops up when played with Roku youtube app or Shield youtube app.

So it seems that roku and shield youtube apps do not support HDR content at the moment.
The YouTube app on the TV does support HDR, but not every kind of HDR video encoding that YouTube has.
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Not sure about anyone trying one, but your question was already answered about the differences:
I see on the Best Buy site there is now one review for the set. It's not much, but is 5-star, is titled "An INCREDIBLE Value", and says "This television keeps up with my sets that I paid two or three times as much! The colors and contrast are simply amazing!"
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How about sending it back and getting a refund and Buying one at BB this weekend sounds like they will be in
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You will avoid the damage from deliveries.
That is in the back of mind, but problem I specifically got some Amazon Promo Gift Cards to use for this purchase, add that to the cash back I get from Amazon and my out of pocket expense difference is about 25%. Plus I lose the better remote.
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Best Buy did not get the ones in Monday here they stated they would, now are telling me Thursday. That is okay as I am sticking with the one from Amazon right now and doing a little testing. I forsee some firmware upgrades coming our way that could make this set any better.
Firmware update this week confirmed by TCL's twitter.

https://twitter.com/TCL_USA/status/876869123040346113

Automatic update coming this week.

The question is now, what all will it include?
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Firmware update this week confirmed by TCL's twitter.

https://twitter.com/TCL_USA/status/876869123040346113

Automatic update coming this week.

The question is now, what all will it include?
Crossing my fingers that they'll add ability to enable local dimming within game mode. If they do, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna keep it instead of returning it.
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Crossing my fingers that they'll add ability to enable local dimming within game mode. If they do, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna keep it instead of returning it.
If you get a response to your tweet, please let us know. I'm not sure if tv manufacturers typically have notes that accompany their firmware updates or not but I'm extremely interested in that as well.
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Crossing my fingers that they'll add ability to enable local dimming within game mode. If they do, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna keep it instead of returning it.
I am really hopeful for this as well. My TV is suppose to ship sometime this week and my primary usage is gaming so I really hope they fix this sooner than later.

However part of me wonders, if latency will some how take a beating with Local dimming? or if Local Dimming can't keep up?

Are there any sets that have local dimming + game mode with anywhere near this latency?
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Been following these threads, but didn't see any mention. Does anybody know if Costco will be reselling this set? I see they have the 55S, but nothing listed on their site for the 55P. Bummed the Amazon price went up. I'm really close to pulling the trigger, but am not going to pay list price.

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Hi all,

I apologize if this isn't the right place to ask this question seeing as this is an owner's thread, but I don't want to clutter the forums with a new topic.

Best Buy lists a 50-inch model (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-49-c...?skuId=5878701) for $380. If this provides comparable image quality to the 55 inch model, this might be an even better value. Thoughts? Is there any info on the 50-inch set?
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Firmware update this week confirmed by TCL's twitter.

https://twitter.com/TCL_USA/status/876869123040346113

Automatic update coming this week.

The question is now, what all will it include?
Crossing my fingers that they'll add ability to enable local dimming within game mode. If they do, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna keep it instead of returning it.
How would you know local dimming is on in game mode?
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How would you know local dimming is on in game mode?
If you have the ability to change the setting (Low, Medium High). If its greyed out its not on and Dynamic Contrast is adjustable instead.
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