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@Bob Coxner , the OS coming on the Vizios won't be any of those, it will be a Vizio in-house solution that really isn't all that great. It will basically still be doing "casting", but it'll be casting from itself to itself. And it won't have very many apps either, reportedly. Still not Amazon, and Netflix might not even be there for whatever reason, meaning you'll still have to cast from another device for Netflix. Kinda stupid imo, but it seems like a last-minute decision that they're trying to rush out.
I forgot about no Amazon. Chromecast (in this setting) seems to be a failure with consumers and this change is just putting some lipstick on a pig. People seemed ok with the previous Vizio Internet Apps (VIA) and it even included Amazon. I can't imagine why anyone at Vizio thought Chromecast was going to be huge improvement over VIA. They were very wrong.
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So this is an 8-bit panel using FRC?
There is no visual difference, what matters is the color gradient performance and this set is above average in that regard.
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I forgot about no Amazon. Chromecast (in this setting) seems to be a failure with consumers and this change is just putting some lipstick on a pig. People seemed ok with the previous Vizio Internet Apps (VIA) and it even included Amazon. I can't imagine why anyone at Vizio thought Chromecast was going to be huge improvement over VIA. They were very wrong.
Eh. There is a downside to having apps on your own custom OS. Updates are sporadic and inconsistent. They tend to come to the mobile platforms first though.
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Eh. There is a downside to having apps on your own custom OS. Updates are sporadic and inconsistent. They tend to come to the mobile platforms first though.
That is true, although I think Roku is probably nearly as good in that regard, since it is a separately existing streaming service with a lot of customers, so I think Roku is somewhat guaranteed to get regular updates to all the popular apps. The TV OSes I foresee problems with are Tizen and WebOS, mainly, since those are both OSes that are ONLY available on TVs made by those 2 particular brands (Samsung and LG). Android TV on Sony should be better, although the devs do have to make their apps support the TV OS, it isn't automatic.

I'm kinda talking out my ass though, as I don't have a lot of experience with any of these other TV OSes. Just my impressions from what I've heard and read so far, mostly.
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I stick with Roku due to the thousands of channels you can add to it, including private ones and a few pron channels. I'm looking at you Nowhereman. :-)
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A little piece of black electrical tape does wonders for handling pesky LED lights that have the audacity to blink at you.


After reading the RTINGS review, it basically confirmed my impression of the TCL p. It's fine for general use as a TV, but not so well for those of us who use the display as a computer monitor.

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A little piece of black electrical tape does wonders for handling pesky LED lights that have the audacity to blink at you.


After reading the RTINGS review, it basically confirmed my impression of the TCL p. It's fine for general use as a TV, but not so well for those of us who use the display as a computer monitor.
not true and heres why, it may not do 4:4:4 correctly, but does do 4:2:2. The reason its not really true is the TV can accept and resolve 10 bit color along with HDR. HDMI 2.0a does not allow for 4k 4:4:4 10bit, only 8bit. So even if they tv could do 8bit 4:4:4, you woudnt use it anyway if you wanted to send 10 bit color which has much less banding and now even windows desktop supports HDR ( creators update ).

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A little piece of black electrical tape does wonders for handling pesky LED lights that have the audacity to blink at you.


After reading the RTINGS review, it basically confirmed my impression of the TCL p. It's fine for general use as a TV, but not so well for those of us who use the display as a computer monitor.
Wait, what gave you the impression that it's bad as a monitor? They specifically say "4:4:4 color is always shown properly, in any picture mode", which is the main concern with using a TV as a monitor, isn't it? Just make sure you're using an HDMI 2.0 connection with an 18Gbps cable and you should be fine.
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Went ahead and drove over to Best Buy with the wife and purchased 3 of these to replace older/failing Samsung/LG TVs... will have to obsessively check out the panels to make sure we're good with them as I think there is only a 15 day return/exchange policy?


If we like these enough maybe this fall we will replace the 55" model with the 65" in the living room.


We're both heavy gamers so that's a big reason for us to go with these TVs.


What does game mode do to the IQ on these sets?


I don't think I've seen that specifically stated anywhere online yet.
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Wait, what gave you the impression that it's bad as a monitor? They specifically say "4:4:4 color is always shown properly, in any picture mode", which is the main concern with using a TV as a monitor, isn't it? Just make sure you're using an HDMI 2.0 connection with an 18Gbps cable and you should be fine.
They ding it for the uniformity issues, the poor viewing angles and some artifacting at 4k that is visible if you sit really close (even though I'm not actually sure what they're trying to illustrate with the picture they show as evidence of this artifacting). So their rating for using the display as a PC monitor is partially based on literally using the thing as a desktop monitor, which I don't expect is a common use case for a TV this size. Viewing angle makes up 20% of the PC monitor score (rtings gave the set a 4.2 score for this) and the ability to do 1080p @ 120Hz is 7% (which this set can't do, so it gets a 0 there)!
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What does game mode do to the IQ on these sets?


I don't think I've seen that specifically stated anywhere online yet.
Currently, local dimming gets disabled. So you lose the benefits of that.
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Currently, local dimming gets disabled. So you lose the benefits of that.


And that's it?

Input lag seems good enough to not even bother with game mode on the sets from what the reviews say.. maybe multiplayer where absolute best input lag matters and other modes for single player stuff?
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And that's it?

Input lag seems good enough to not even bother with game mode on the sets from what the reviews say.. maybe multiplayer were absolute best input lag matters and other modes for single player stuff?
It goes from 15ms to 50ms. That's pretty significant.
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And that's it?

Input lag seems good enough to not even bother with game mode on the sets from what the reviews say.. maybe multiplayer were absolute best input lag matters and other modes for single player stuff?


My wife and I are also gamers. She didn't want to wait for the TCL and we went and looked at TVs and she picked the LG 6300 (2017). I'm getting my P series Friday.


I'm with you on this I really can't imagine the latency making that much of a difference in anything except like FPS competition.
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Things noted the rear of the TV is metal?! Looks/feels like hard plastic...human error..possibly confused with another TV they were testing.
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It goes from 15ms to 50ms. That's pretty significant.
Yeah, I'm actually a bit confused by that number on Rtings, because when I have it out of game mode, it seriously does not feel like it's that high. I remember noticing input lag on my Vizio P Series which is rated at 43ms in game mode, but the TCL feels better than that even out of game mode. Also, @imagic rated it as being in the 30s outside of game mode, so I'm not sure where the discrepancy is.
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It's either this or the 2016 Vizio P for me. The TLC has the edge in contrast while the Vizio has the advantage with screen uniformity.

Vizio P 50" - $1299 CAD
TLC P 55" - $860 CAD on sale

Plus the TLC doesn't have a stupid silver bezel....not sure if they sell TCLs in Canada though. Which of the two do you guys think is better
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It goes from 15ms to 50ms. That's pretty significant.
it is...but tons of people probably don't even know that a "game mode" exists on their tv and have been playing through terrible input lag for years.

my brother had no idea that his LCD had a game mode until i played Street Fighter V on his TV one day and was like wtf is this input lag (compared to my TV)? i thought it was his arcade stick at first but then realized he had game mode off. he is an AVID player too. lol

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It's either this or the 2016 Vizio P for me. The TLC has the edge in contrast while the Vizio has the advantage with screen uniformity.

Vizio P 50" - $1299 CAD
TLC P 55" - $860 CAD on sale

Plus the TLC doesn't have a stupid silver bezel....not sure if they sell TCLs in Canada though. Which of the two do you guys think is better
the tcl has silver accents
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Oh and the Vizio P has better local dimming but I don't plan on using it anyways. The TCL 55" P is going for $649 US which converts to $860 CAD..
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Could have just been Street Fighter V. I've heard that there are serious lag problems with the game.

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Could have just been Street Fighter V. I've heard that there are serious lag problems with the game.

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i think there was actually some input lag built into the game that has since been lowered slightly. but not the issues i was experiencing. those were related to the vizio tv my brother owned and him not turning on game mode.
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And yes input lag MATTERS for all genres unless it's a turn based RPG where you're just selecting attacks ect for a menu. I mean it still matters but just not on the level of everything else.

15ms is great. I personally don't like going past 1 frame/16ms. My last Vizio did 13ms
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My wife and I are also gamers. She didn't want to wait for the TCL and we went and looked at TVs and she picked the LG 6300 (2017). I'm getting my P series Friday.


I'm with you on this I really can't imagine the latency making that much of a difference in anything except like FPS competition.
Agreed, I game on a viz p75c1 and I dont even bother with game mode. In std mode its still faster than my old sharp 80" was in game mode.
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Wait, what gave you the impression that it's bad as a monitor? They specifically say "4:4:4 color is always shown properly, in any picture mode", which is the main concern with using a TV as a monitor, isn't it? Just make sure you're using an HDMI 2.0 connection with an 18Gbps cable and you should be fine.
The discoloration and scanlines appearing across the screen. I saw this same behavior on the TCL 49S403 and had to return it. It's not a big deal, the P appears to be fine for use as a TV and/or streaming it just won't work for me as a computer display. These low cost TVs are lower cost because they eliminate some circuitry that would allow for the type of usage I need. I'm not bashing the P. Its fine for what it is.

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The TV's chroma 4:2:0 support is inconsistent. When 4:2:0 video is played from some sources like a PC, white becomes pink, blue becomes green and scanlines appear across the screen. Also 4k @ 60 Hz @ 4:2:0 @ 12 bit wasn't displayed at all from a PC. Our HDR Blu-ray player had no such issues. These inconsistencies could be a problem for 4k @ 60 Hz sources that only support HDMI 1.4, as 4:2:0 is often needed to remain within HDMI 1.4's bandwidth limitation.

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The discoloration and scanlines appearing across the screen. I saw this same behavior on the TCL 49S403 and had to return it. It's not a big deal, the P appears to be fine for use as a TV and/or streaming it just won't work for me as a computer display. These low cost TVs are lower cost because they eliminate some circuitry that would allow for the type of usage I need. I'm not bashing the P. Its fine for what it is.

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The TV's chroma 4:2:0 support is inconsistent. When 4:2:0 video is played from some sources like a PC, white becomes pink, blue becomes green and scanlines appear across the screen. Also 4k @ 60 Hz @ 4:2:0 @ 12 bit wasn't displayed at all from a PC. Our HDR Blu-ray player had no such issues. These inconsistencies could be a problem for 4k @ 60 Hz sources that only support HDMI 1.4, as 4:2:0 is often needed to remain within HDMI 1.4's bandwidth limitation.
Ah right, forgot about that bit. Honestly it sounds like a bug because there's no reason why it would be able to do 4:4:4 no problem but not 4:2:0. Hopefully it gets fixed.

But anyway, why wouldn't you just always use 4:2:2 or 4:4:4?
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Things noted the rear of the TV is metal?! Looks/feels like hard plastic...human error..possibly confused with another TV they were testing.
The center portion that the VESA mount would mount to is metal, but the 10" or so around the sides and the top is plastic.
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Oh and the Vizio P has better local dimming but I don't plan on using it anyways. The TCL 55" P is going for $649 US which converts to $860 CAD..
The Vizio P 55" is an IPS panel which gives much lower contrast and less light output for HDR. Better viewing angles.
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Unfortunately, my set has a defect. I get a band of yellow pixels visible in blues and whites. Hopefully amazon gets stock sooner than they expect for a replacement.



Also, I am unsure how Rtings got 4:4:4 Chroma. Sending 4:4:4 or RGB at 23,24,59,60 all resulted in 4:2:2 for me. http://madshi.net/madVR/ChromaRes.png
I also had issues getting HDR10 working on Mass Effect Andromeda, the HDR popup would display, but then the screen would go blank. Dolby vision mode worked, but only in rgb 8-bit.
The poor viewing angles are apparent at my seating distance of 5 feet, but I still think it is a great TV.
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