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80+ inch display choices :/

I've seen a lot of posts about 70-80" options but not many posts about 80-85" screens.

I'm looking for something in the 85" range, very few stores have anything to demo in this size!

The room can get bright, but usually its just watched at night.

We view it pretty straight on.

I'm not going to spend over 10k on a tv and would prefer to keep it closer to 6-7k

thanks for your thoughts.
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I've seen a lot of posts about 70-80" options but not many posts about 80-85" screens.

I'm looking for something in the 85" range, very few stores have anything to demo in this size!

The room can get bright, but usually its just watched at night.

We view it pretty straight on.

I'm not going to spend over 10k on a tv and would prefer to keep it closer to 6-7k

thanks for your thoughts.
We were looking at the Samsung UN82MU800D from costco, but it seems pretty cheap compared to 75" models from sony going in the same price range.
I'm willing to spend a bit more, but am having trouble finding good alternatives other than the last years XBR85X850D
LG has a 86SJ9570 which is 86", but if its an ips panel then maybe its not a good choice.
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You try to refer to Sharp LC-80LE650U 80-Inch
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I've seen a lot of posts about 70-80" options but not many posts about 80-85" screens.

I'm looking for something in the 85" range, very few stores have anything to demo in this size!

The room can get bright, but usually its just watched at night.

We view it pretty straight on.

I'm not going to spend over 10k on a tv and would prefer to keep it closer to 6-7k

thanks for your thoughts.
Yeah I just bought a 70" tv last November, so when i get in the market for a new tv my rule of thumb applies I won't buy a new tv until I can get something bigger OR better. But you are right there really are not a ton of choices above 70". You have many 75" sets but really its hard to find really large screen sets for a reasonable price. I think many times people hit the 60" or 70" screen size and then just jump to a projector for anything larger that about 75"
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I would've suggested that you look at the LeEco uMax 85 a few months ago, but it looks like the company is in a bit of financial trouble now - maybe check the owner's thread on this forum.

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I wish i could find a professional review of the LG 86SJ9570
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We were looking at the Samsung UN82MU800D from costco, but it seems pretty cheap compared to 75" models from sony going in the same price range.
I'm willing to spend a bit more, but am having trouble finding good alternatives other than the last years XBR85X850D
LG has a 86SJ9570 which is 86", but if its an ips panel then maybe its not a good choice.
That Samsung is going to be your best choice for your price range, IMHO. There isn't much to choose from to begin with.

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I wish i could find a professional review of the LG 86SJ9570
I have a LG 86SJ957T in Australia and this TV can be a Problem child. If you have it you must have the Panel no more than 17 inches off the carpet depending of the height of the Lounge you sit on. You Eyes must be a in the middle of the Tv in Height otherwise when you watch a 4K movie at NIGHT with Letterbox Bars they will glow at you. Ive just got the second one 5 days ago as I rejected the First one. Otherwise this Its a Good TV but has to be set up Correctly. I have lower the TV on the Wall 4 times now and now I have found the sweet spot. The TV is 3.1 M away from the sitting position (around 10 foot and smack bull eye in the center of the tv
Other Problem is IPS is good for wide angle but what they forget to tell you is people that sit on either side chair will find themself greeted by grey Lettebox Bars.

Do a Google for LG 86SJ957T for the Black family and you will find it. Tes the second one is a Little better so its luck dip on the one the Customer gets.

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I've seen the 850d, it's nice but not the brightest.

Whats anyone's opinion of the LG vs the Samsung?
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I've seen the 850d, it's nice but not the brightest.

Whats anyone's opinion of the LG vs the Samsung?
IPS....yuck. Maybe you could hunt down an 88KS9800. It is a 2016 and big money but it would be FALD and is the top 2016 Samsung. If spending that kind of money is impossible then just get the 82M. It should be much better than the Sony and LG.
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Vizio E80 for 3K at Costco would be my suggestion. It has HDR10 support but no Dolby Vision.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/e-series-2017

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I've seen a lot of posts about 70-80" options but not many posts about 80-85" screens.

I'm looking for something in the 85" range, very few stores have anything to demo in this size!

The room can get bright, but usually its just watched at night.

We view it pretty straight on.

I'm not going to spend over 10k on a tv and would prefer to keep it closer to 6-7k

thanks for your thoughts.
Your best choice would be the Samsung UN82MU8000 for only $4,500. Its a fairly bright VA panel with deep black levels that is judder free from any 24p source and has the usual excellent Samsung upscaling.
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Your best choice would be the Samsung UN82MU8000 for only $4,500. Its a fairly bright VA panel with deep black levels that is judder free from any 24p source and has the usual excellent Samsung upscaling.
Agreed 100%. I purchased the 86SJ9570 for the size only and my brother just got the UN82MU8000. Picture is noticeable better. The backlight on the 86SJ9570 is a joke. Just shows you that not all edge lite displays are the same.
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Agreed 100%. I purchased the 86SJ9570 for the size only and my brother just got the UN82MU8000. Picture is noticeable better. The backlight on the 86SJ9570 is a joke. Just shows you that not all edge lite displays are the same.
the UN82MU8000 doesn't have any quantum dots, while the sony does.
Not sure how big of a deal it is and if I should care that much as I plan on keeping it for awhile.
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Agreed 100%. I purchased the 86SJ9570 for the size only and my brother just got the UN82MU8000. Picture is noticeable better. The backlight on the 86SJ9570 is a joke. Just shows you that not all edge lite displays are the same.
Curious. Rtings only gives the MU8000 a 7.4 for TV shows and a 7.6 for sports. Would you disagree with that assessment for normal cable/satellite content?
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Curious. Rtings only gives the MU8000 a 7.4 for TV shows and a 7.6 for sports. Would you disagree with that assessment for normal cable/satellite content?
They didn't review the 82 incher. In my experience when you get to 75 inch plus screen sizes backlight issues and screen uniformity issues are much more apparent. With clean 4k HDR material (planet earth 4k bluray) both sets looks super, but black levels are screen uniformity (mostly due to backlight) are without debate in my eyes better on the Samsung. Regular feed upscaling etc.. is more debatable.
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Agreed 100%. I purchased the 86SJ9570 for the size only and my brother just got the UN82MU8000. Picture is noticeable better. The backlight on the 86SJ9570 is a joke. Just shows you that not all edge lite displays are the same.
Sometimes I think how did LG get away with this. You US guys pay under $7000 for the LG and here in Oz we pay $14,000 for it. They should be ashamed for producing such a poor tv. Like you I bought the LG because of the size and Dolby Vision

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Its tough there are so few reviews from the same people for both the 85" sony 850d and the Samsung UN82MU8000
What makes it worse yet is that the some of the 850d's use IPS panels while the 82" uses a VA panel, some use "quantum dots" then in the top size they drop it out.
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Seems to be a 2016 model, from what I can find online, edge lit (if that matters to some) and seems, from the Sony site, have no mention of being able to do DV, HDR10+ etc.

Anyhoos, roughly how much did it drop? 10%, 70% etc...

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We were looking at the Samsung UN82MU800D from costco, but it seems pretty cheap compared to 75" models from sony going in the same price range.
I'm willing to spend a bit more, but am having trouble finding good alternatives other than the last years XBR85X850D
LG has a 86SJ9570 which is 86", but if its an ips panel then maybe its not a good choice.
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Agreed 100%. I purchased the 86SJ9570 for the size only and my brother just got the UN82MU8000. Picture is noticeable better. The backlight on the 86SJ9570 is a joke. Just shows you that not all edge lite displays are the same.
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They didn't review the 82 incher. In my experience when you get to 75 inch plus screen sizes backlight issues and screen uniformity issues are much more apparent. With clean 4k HDR material (planet earth 4k bluray) both sets looks super, but black levels are screen uniformity (mostly due to backlight) are without debate in my eyes better on the Samsung. Regular feed upscaling etc.. is more debatable.

The bigger and bigger the screen gets (and 86" is pretty big....), the taller and taller the task becomes to create good screen uniformity and avoid backlight issues while relying on edge lighting. I think it's kind of easy to picture, if you just think about... you have this "bank" of flashlights, along the edges, and you're trying to cast those lights all the way in to the center of this giant 86" screen, and, well... it's a pretty big challenge to make that lighting uniform AND dynamic. And probably impossible if you ALSO want anything remotely close to black bars for movies.

So while edge lit sets might work quite well for smaller screen sizes, at these kind of sizes, I think you really benefit from Full Array Local Dimming. I think the consensus you're hearing from other posters here is that there's an LG and a Samsung offering that are probably "the best choices you have", but the general consensus is that these might not be "good choices", even though they're the best available.

I think all of those sets are edge lit, not FALD. And I think that's probably why they don't rate as well, and people have complaints about them.

There are a few quality FALD sets to choose from at 75" (Vizio P series, Sony 940E and Z9D, etc).

Their are a few FALD options to choose from, but they're WAAAY outta my price range (I think the Sony Z9D comes in a 100" option, and Vizio has a "Reference" series that comes in some sort of a ginormous size, too...).

I bought a 75" Sony 940E last week, FWIW.
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There's not too much information about this 85" model from TCL, unveiled at IFA today. Not even clear if it will be available in the U.S. But FALD quantum dot with 600 zones, 1200 nits peak brightness and Dolby Vision? Sounds promising. I would imagine it's not going to be super cheap. But who knows? Maybe they can price it similar to the uMax85.

http://flatpanelshd.com/news.php?sub...&id=1504785295
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Another positive vote for the samsung 82 inch, very bright screen, handles everything you throw at it without fuss, very good uniformity and blacks.

The only negative I have with the unit is the hdmi arc output settings are inflexible, ie if you set output to dolby digital+, content with dolby digital doesn't output. Counter intuitive I know.

Would be nice to just have an auto setting or select what format your amp supports, these days every amp supports dolby digital/+/dts.
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XBR-85X850D just took a HUGE drop......

Why? What's up?
I want an 80+ 4K tv but cost is an issue right now. Heck a 77 OLED would be nice too but that's even more money. Lotto dreams
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I would've suggested that you look at the LeEco uMax 85 a few months ago, but it looks like the company is in a bit of financial trouble now - maybe check the owner's thread on this forum.
I own one and am very happy. Yes, LeEco is having financial problems. But, if you consider the HDGuru review and the price, this 85 inch is impossible to beat. 95% DCI p3, 448 zones FALD, 750 nits. This tv is best in a fairly dark room. In my media room, the bright scenes make my eyes hurt. If you check the forum regarding this TV you will find most are very pleased. There are a few issues that can be overcome but are a little annoying. There is no assurance that LeEco will update their firmware to correct these slight annoyances. They say they will but who knows......
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850d does not have QD. But it does have a wider color gamut than the MU8000 according to rtings. Hard to know on brightness and contrast comparisons since all reviewed panels for x850d are IPS. MU8000 will have local dimming but it's questionable how much benefit it brings with such a weak approach (bottom lit columns). On the other hand the Samsung is considerably cheaper.
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Its tough there are so few reviews from the same people for both the 85" sony 850d and the Samsung UN82MU8000
What makes it worse yet is that the some of the 850d's use IPS panels while the 82" uses a VA panel, some use "quantum dots" then in the top size they drop it out.

I was in the exact same boat last year as you are now. I wanted the 85" Sony but the 940d was so much better, the black level being the big difference, I went with it. Other than the 77" OLED, I believe the market is still the same. The drop in quality to go bigger than 75" isn't worth the size increase. Move your seating position a little closer or get a telescoping mount and consider the 940E.


It's just very disappointing that nobody makes a high quality FALD 85" set. Sony, with the Z series, could have but for some reason went 65", 75" and 100".
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Agreed 100%. I purchased the 86SJ9570 for the size only and my brother just got the UN82MU8000. Picture is noticeable better.
Just curious, six months later, would you go with the UN82MU8000 over the 86SJ9570?

I'm currently shopping for an 82"+ TV, and debating between these two (ruled the Sony 85" 850D and Umax85 out.) The 86" LG has size and both DolbyVision and HLG HDR support over the 82" Samsung, but the Samsung's VA panel seems to have better colors and overall PQ, and it's also about $1200 cheaper right now ($4000 vs $2800.) It's proving a tough choice...

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Just curious, six months later, would you go with the UN82MU8000 over the 86SJ9570?

I'm currently shopping for an 82"+ TV, and debating between these two (ruled the Sony 85" 850D and Umax85 out.) The 86" LG has size and both DolbyVision and HLG HDR support over the 82" Samsung, but the Samsung's VA panel seems to have better colors and overall PQ, and it's also about $1200 cheaper right now ($4000 vs $2800.) It's proving a tough choice...

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Since the guy you're asking hasn't posted here since July, I doubt he'll be answering. But only get an IPS panel if you need wider viewing angles. The VA panel Samsung will be brighter with much deeper black levels than that IPS LG. The UN82MU8000 is a great value at that sub $3K price point and those extra 4" are only a 5% increase in size for 40% more $.
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