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65" vs 75" TV???

Am I better off getting a cheaper 75" TV or a premium 65" TV? My TV is used for movies and gaming for my PS4 Pro and Xbox One X (when released). Never had an HDR TV so that is a must. It appears Vizio has poor HDR gaming performance or that would be the sweet spot on size to price value. I currently have a 60" Samsung UH7150. Thanks for any help.
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You haven't provided a budget or the distance you'll be sitting from the TV but based on uses you've specified I'd recommend you get the Sony XBR75X900E for $3,500 and call it done.
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You haven't provided a budget or the distance you'll be sitting from the TV but based on uses you've specified I'd recommend you get the Sony XBR75X900E for $3,500 and call it done.
Well that is the problem. I would like to stick below $2,000 but not sure if I pull the trigger now or wait for prices to drop on the larger TVs. I have a dedicated media room in my house so the larger the better if possible. If I stick with a 65" I have more options on premium TV's but if I want larger, I have to go with a TV with less features.
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Well that is the problem. I would like to stick below $2,000 but not sure if I pull the trigger now or wait for prices to drop on the larger TVs. I have a dedicated media room in my house so the larger the better if possible. If I stick with a 65" I have more options on premium TV's but if I want larger, I have to go with a TV with less features.
If $2K is a hard limit, there aren't any good choices at 75" IMO. The cheaper ones you might look at would be the $2.3K Vizio M75-E1 and the $2.5K Sony XBR75X850E. Both are currently "on sale" and have VA panels, with the Vizio having low-end FALD and the Sony being edge-lit with no dimming at all. The Sony has better motion control and upscaling though.
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Am I better off getting a cheaper 75" TV or a premium 65" TV? My TV is used for movies and gaming for my PS4 Pro and Xbox One X (when released). Never had an HDR TV so that is a must. It appears Vizio has poor HDR gaming performance or that would be the sweet spot on size to price value. I currently have a 60" Samsung UH7150. Thanks for any help.
I was faced with this very problem for my media room. When Dell did their sale of the 65" Vizio P series for $1699 AND a $500 gift card, I jumped all over it. Really happy with my decision. I would have paid double the price for a 75" that has an inferior picture. The 75" penalty is too big right now.
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What about the LG SJ8000 or 8500 with the Nano technology? It seems decent for a 65?. So much tech and I?m usually on top of this stuff but right now I am in analysis paralysis mode. Gaming and Movies are my main usage. Not worried about upscaling as I rarely, if ever, watch SD programming.
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What about the LG SJ8000 or 8500 with the Nano technology? It seems decent for a 65?. So much tech and I?m usually on top of this stuff but right now I am in analysis paralysis mode. Gaming and Movies are my main usage. Not worried about upscaling as I rarely, if ever, watch SD programming.
LG LCDs are all IPS panels with low contrast but wide viewing angles. The LG SJ8500 uses a real 4K panel, but the LG SJ8000 has the inferior RGBW panel. The edge-lit local dimming is not very good on either of them. If you don't need wide viewing angles, you don't want an IPS panel you want a VA panel. And you certainly don't want any LG with an RGBW panel.
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If $2K is a hard limit, there aren't any good choices at 75" IMO. The cheaper ones you might look at would be the $2.3K Vizio M75-E1 and the $2.5K Sony XBR75X850E. Both are currently "on sale" and have VA panels, with the Vizio having low-end FALD and the Sony being edge-lit with no dimming at all. The Sony has better motion control and upscaling though.
FWIW, apparently the Vizio's upscaling has improved considerably with the latest firmware.

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I went through a similar dilemma last year, size vs quality vs budget. I originally wanted a 70-75", but couldn't find anything in my $2500 that was bang for its buck. I ended going with a 65" Samsung KS8000. Out of all of the tv's I looked at it was the one I kept going back to despite its size. I think that's what is key in whatever you decide. Pick the one you keep going back to.
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Am I better off getting a cheaper 75" TV or a premium 65" TV? My TV is used for movies and gaming for my PS4 Pro and Xbox One X (when released). Never had an HDR TV so that is a must. It appears Vizio has poor HDR gaming performance or that would be the sweet spot on size to price value. I currently have a 60" Samsung UH7150. Thanks for any help.
I'm about to buy a 75" Sony 940E rather than a 65" LG C7 because I firmly believe that size does matter.

But it also isn't the ONLY thing, and at the 75" size, your budget is awfully tight. Also, at 75", flaws are *literally* going to only be magnified.

Purely my opinion, but i think you either have to raise your budget if you want to go for a 75" option. I don't think I personally would be happy with any 75" option for under $2k (which is why I'm about to buy a 940E).

If you can't raise your budget, I think you should go for a better looking 65" at that price.

And above all else, if you really are budget constrained, you probably should be looking to October- March, not April - August... That's when the best prices tend to be available...

Again, JMO.
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The reason for the purchase now is the wife wants a TV for the family room so why not give her the 60? now and get a 4K? Don?t think she can wait until late fall or winter. We?ll see.
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@VA_DaveB - sound advice all around.

Just want to point out that the Sony 75X850E uses an IPS panel. I believe the other sizes are VA though.


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Ks8000?

I found a new KS8000 from a major retailer in 65". Should I grab that now or stick with 2017 TVs? Thanks!
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I found a new KS8000 from a major retailer in 65". Should I grab that now or stick with 2017 TVs? Thanks!
At what price? If you're back down to 65" the FALD Sony XBR65X900E @ $2K and FALD Vizio P65-E1 @ 1.6K are in play. The KS8000 is a good TV but the edge-lit local dimming is mediocre and some have reported the glued on rear panel separating.
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$1,500 for the KS8000 but maybe the X900E is better? What about the Vizio P or M series? I heard they are not good for gaming but can go larger with Vizio? I have a friend who works for Samsung coporate and says Vizio does not make any hardware. They are just a marketing company. Vizio buys all their hardware from other companies.
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As an actual owner of a KS Series I can tell you that the panel separation has been exaggerated. As has the light bleed. Most owners are pretty happy. @psuKinger has a point when it comes to the bigger you get the more you see the imperfections of the source. Something to consider if you are hooking up satellite or cable to it. I only stream, watch BD's and game. I only stream, watch BD's and game on my KS8000. That's a pretty good price on the one you found, but you might be able to get it down more though.

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Your budget doesn't meld especially well with where the value trade off happens on 75" TVs IMHO which is the Sony 900 cited above or the Vizio P series.

Before you make the leap to a cheaper 75" though, know that if you do, IMO there's no going back on panel size. I guess people do it but I simply could not.

In 2013 I grabbed a meh 75" Samsung edge lit 1080P LCD meant as a sort of holdover while the 4K and HDR specs settled. When I was ready to spend $$$$ money, I tried a 65" OLED and even though the PQ was worlds superior to what I'd had, there was no way I could go down in size. I moved the OLED to the bedroom and held onto the 75" Samsung until I was, again, ready to spend (much) more money. on a display that was both larger and better.

And, especially since you're talking about a dedicated media room, I might lean "smaller but better" for now.

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$1,500 for the KS8000 but maybe the X900E is better? What about the Vizio P or M series? I heard they are not good for gaming but can go larger with Vizio? I have a friend who works for Samsung coporate and says Vizio does not make any hardware. They are just a marketing company. Vizio buys all their hardware from other companies.
$1,500 is good only if it is new sealed in the box, not an open box or return. Go in and offer them $1,200, they might take it. I like the 900E better but others differ on that. The Vizio P is DV capable and has better FALD than the 900E but doesn't upscale cable TV as well as Samsung or Sony TVs do. And the Vizo P has low input lag and good motion control so it is good for gaming.
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Hi, I have the same dillema more or less.

I am between Samsung 65MU9009 (curved)
and the quite bigger 75MU6179 (flat)
both at around 1.900 euros

usage is for movies and console.

I know that the 9000 series have a much better panel, but is it THAT better to beat the 10inch difference?

Is the 75" 6100 series panel that bad, that i would sacrifice size for quality?

Thanks in advance

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Your budget doesn't meld especially well with where the value trade off happens on 75" TVs IMHO which is the Sony 900 cited above or the Vizio P series.

Before you make the leap to a cheaper 75" though, know that if you do, IMO there's no going back on panel size. I guess people do it but I simply could not.

In 2013 I grabbed a meh 75" Samsung edge lit 1080P LCD meant as a sort of holdover while the 4K and HDR specs settled. When I was ready to spend $$$$ money, I tried a 65" OLED and even though the PQ was worlds superior to what I'd had, there was no way I could go down in size. I moved the OLED to the bedroom and held onto the 75" Samsung until I was, again, ready to spend (much) more money. on a display that was both larger and better.

And, especially since you're talking about a dedicated media room, I might lean "smaller but better" for now.
I did this back in 2011, went big and high end as I could with my Sharp 70LE732 and the idea of downsizing just doesn't sit well with me. Bigger 4k HDR panels are still outside of my budget or are sub par, so I'll sit here with my 70" until something truly worthwhile comes along to replace it. Hoping that a 100" + breakthrough happens in the next year or two, so upset Sharp stopped chasing the jumbo screen and that Vizio didn't pursue their 120" past an expensive proof of concept.
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*sigh*
I know what you mean, and I am afraid of that too.
I know that MU9000 has a by far superior panel..... but 75" is a dream ready to come true.

I wonder. How bad can MU6000 series be at 75". I mean, ok, they say that 24p is not played well and has jadder, but i never use it. It also has VA panel, superb blacks and great input response for games and pc....
And, ok, it is at "only" 60hz... Can the motion while watching 1080p or 4k movies be THAT bad?? This is what mainly bothers me, because if it is unwatchable, I know I am gonna regret my money a lot, no matter the size. But can it be really the case?
After all I come from a 46" Samsung over 10 years old

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I have a 65" LG OLED e6P and a 75" Sony x900e. They are both great TV's but there's something about that 75" screen that everyone loves to watch. Wife only allows a 65" TV on the wall in the Great Room or I'd have 2 Sonys.


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